Bayern go for the top of the top bundesliga players. Dortmund go for a level or 2 below that so there's more selection of players. Pretty sure Dortmund has to replace players more too
Don't really understand your logic. The level of players Bayern go for is available across all leagues, as is Dortmund's. Bayern pick their players from different leagues, while Dortmund picks their players from Gladbach.
> while Dortmund picks their players from Gladbach.
Dortmund signed 3 Gladbach players over the past decade, with one potentially incoming this summer.
Bayern signed Leipzigs best defender, captain and coach last window and is about to go for one of their best midfielders a year later.
This was about players.
Nagelsmann is noteworthy because they happened to grab Leipzigs coach, captain and best defender in the same window.
Even if you add Rose and Favre, once more, doing these signings over a full on decade doesn't come anywhere close to raiding half of RB or Hoffenheim in a single window.
Right, forgot about that.
So point remains, even with Bensebaini/Laimer and Rose/Nagelsmann considerered it's only ever 1 player more (who also happens to be from our academy) over a god damn decade than Bayern got over a year.
That's because these weren't 3 random Bundesliga players, but rather at worst the second best German defender, the biggest German talent in decades and a striker that went on to become second only to Messi and Ronaldo.
And a lot more clustered than what Dortmund does.
In truth, buying a bunch of players in a very short time from the best Bundesliga sides (Dortmund, Leipzig, Hoffenheim under Nagelsmann at the time) is simply something that's way more noticeable over time than buying, as I said, 3 players over the course of a decade.
Upamecano Goretza Gnabry Pavard Laimer next season plus all the guys poached from Dortmund in the last decade. Same thing as BVB. Bayern just gets the better players normally the ones Dortmund bought and developed it's just what the food chain is.
> all the guys poached from Dortmund in the last decade.
Pretty sure that more players went from Bayern to Dortmund in the last decade than the other way around.
Didn't want to mention them by name but fair enough. Big difference was that Lewa Hummels Gotze in their prime is different to Rode older Hummels and past his prime Gotze.
>more players went from Bayern to Dortmund
Yes, But like Hummels and Sule it was a case of players that Bayern deemed excess baggage or that were finished. Neither Gotze nor Lewa were actively sold by Dortmund, they would have actually loved to keep them.
Süle had an offer from Bayern for 10m/year. He wanted to double his salary at Bayern which would have meant 16m/year. Bayern wanted to keep him but not at that price.
And Hummels bounces between Bayern and Dortmund his whole career. He felt he needed to change something and first idea that came through his mind was going back to Dortmund.
Such a dumb narrative. Not sure why everyone is all up in arms over us taking a smart free transfer as any club would do, the fact he’s in the Bundesliga doesn’t mean we just look past it. I can understand being salty but don’t play the victim if players would rather join us.
Bayern have the pull to threaten clubs to make players run out their contracts.
Which results in more free transfers and a lot of "discounts" to prevent that.
And that is for better players.
Dortmund can't really do that, naturally.
Of course, Kamada here is free, but I doubt this has been a long planned transfer.
Indeed. Dortmund are shit the years at buying expensive salary defenders.
Its easier to coach a defender than an attacker
Look at Simeone in atl madrid.
Makes average defenders worldclass. It can all be coached, positioning and decision making.
But teaching someone to drible 1v1 or be creative. U cant learn that after 14+ years
If you never done it as child. Impossible to be creative player
Yeah, very hit and miss like although more miss recently. Our transfer strategy doesn't pay off that well except for our (future) world class and Kobel lol
Nah, those are the youth players they actually sensibly scout. The players they buy from their BL competition normally stagnate and are sold with loss/leave for free
Thats the thing that upsets me the most. We sell players for a shitload of cash but then decide we need "proven" players and waste the cash on Emre Can, Nico Schulz, Hazard, etc
Who exactly? Most serious rumours came from the PL, and Serie A clubs being interested doesn't mean that a random Italian paper is in a position to know what Dortmund will do
As football essentially adopts a free agency model where the norm becomes to sign shorter contracts as to be able to choose your own destination and convert saved transfer fees into higher salaries, you really do feel for some of these clubs. For a player of his quality to leave and for Frankfurt to see 0€ for it is a shame.
Will be interesting to see how clubs respond and if transfers are even a thing in say 10 years or if we look back on a time when clubs used to pay tens of millions for the rights to sign a player for a huge contract seems like an insane period of football.
I am saying this will happen in the future more. Not for every player, but for those in the right age and skill bracket, I believe a player will value shorter contracts for more flexibility over the previous norm which was to secure the longest contract possible.
Some players might still value it, no doubt. It would apply to a fairly limited pool of players in the right age and skill bracket.
I think there will be growing segment of players who bet on themselves and use shorter contracts to get more money. If you are 24 years old and transferring from a mid table side to a top 1/3 side for instance, it is an easy argument to make that you should sign a 3 year deal instead of a 5 year deal. In 2 years it puts you in a position with great leverage. Either to re-new your deal, or to go to another club and like many players are doing, demand some portion of the saved transfer cost to be converted into more salary for you. Club gets you for cheap and you get paid way more.
Also from the club perspective, would this sort of market for most good players not be better? Is it really sustainable or even profitable to continue to spend tens of millions on transfers? Would you rather not have a large pool of players who are out of contract even if it means the players on your team can also take advantage of this?
Why would it be better for clubs to spend less on transfers? I don't understand what you are asking.
A club like City spent 45% of what it spends on yearly wages (215M) just on Grealish's transfer (100M) so they could have the right to pay him millions more to play for them.
Why would a club like City not welcome a market for players in which transfer fees are irrelevant and most top talent players are free agents instead of buying the rights to sign them for massive amounts of money?
Like explain the inverse of your question to me, why would it be bad to spend less on transfers?
It will be better for clubs when they sign 28 yr olds who can make immediate impact but have 0 resale value - might as well just sign them for a short term deal ofrom free agency rather than risk blowing another 50m
It does however make it harder for teams w lots of youngsters to actually get full value out of them if they sign only short term deals
Honestly if you’re not elite of the elite but solid-to-good and you’re like 27-29, you *should* prefer a free transfer
And conversely it may be worth it for teams to lock down young players w lo ger contracts despite the risk, as you still want to hold onto them when they typically hit their primes in their mid 20s
It makes sense if you are assuming that everyone in football somehow becomes future tellers and know which player's career will go how.
That's not the case. For every guy like this who goes up, several go down or stay on the same level. In that case they're losing money doing that. It's a risk just as with many life situations where you sign a shorter contract.
A lot of guys in Dortmund or Eintracht or any club would not be getting close to their current salary if they were to sign a fresh new contract today. Disappointment is arguably MORE common than positive surprise in that regard.
That’s a two way street though, and the food chain will remain in place. Frankfurt loses out here, but in the future they will be able to snap up a player for free that they previously might have paid a fee for.
Get the fuck out of here. Firstly, an Italian source I've never heard of talking about the transfer of a player going from one German club to another and secondly, why are we seemingly going for Kamada and Kudus at the same time and not one or the other? It's such a tunnel vision-esque move when we need to sort out a DM, a LB/RB, atleast two wingers, a CB depth option and possibly a striker if Haller can't play as well as he did before the cancer.
It honestly looks like a "Kamada is a solid bundesliga player on a free, that's too good to miss out on"
Bullshit source tbh. There is a new Kamada rumour every 2 days, wouldn't get too excited as BVB fan. Also, from his perspective, I really don't see the appeal of moving from Frankfurt to Dortmund, but his choice🤷♂️
Yes Dortmund is obviously a better team but one would think that Kamada could definitely punch a bit above that weight and could go for his dream of playing PL which is apparently very prestigious for Japanese players
Agreed and I'm not even mad if he doesnt come to us. Sure good player he is but time has shown again and again us taking players from within the league doesnt end too well for us. He could work well as Dahoud replacement but the question is if he shows his true potential for us or if he's gonna be the next Brandt of the first three seasons. Too many players seem to drop off after they join us.
1. In Frankfurt he’s loved and is a core player of the team while he may not play as big of a role or may not fit in the Dortmund squad.
2. Frankfurt has been doing just as well as Dortmund in the last few years even if Dortmund is the ‘bigger’ club.
3. Dortmund is not known for offering high wages, so there’s no money incentive compared to moving to PL clubs.
He could definitely move to Dortmund but I’d argue that it’s quite unlikely.
> Frankfurt has been doing just as well as Dortmund in the last few years even if Dortmund is the ‘bigger’ club.
Frankfurt just qualified for the CL for the first time in their history, that is, in fact, not the same as getting to CL without issue every season.
Meme us all you want, but Frankfurt, even in recent years, is a clear step below Dortmund, both in terms of success and financials.
more of a side step than a step up. Frankfurt is progressing and developing strongly over the past couple years, Dortmund is moving backwards. Both clubs are quite close to each other I would say.
Just barely lmao. Obviously Dortmund is the bigger name and they can offer a higher salary, but especially right now the difference is definitely not big enough that it would be worth it to give up his standing at his current club. Both clubs in CL RO16, Frankfurt won 2 trophies in the last 4 years, of which one was European, Frankfurt has the better coach and IMO more exciting player material. If you look at the development of both clubs in recent years, I would even go as far to say that Frankfurt will be above Dortmund in the league for the next 1-2 years, but maybe I'm just biased in that regard.
He was linked with clubs like Tottenham and Arsenal before, and he's a free agent, so chosing Dortmund would definitely be very underwhelming.
That’s not really how it works though. Historical size of club and reputation comes into it a lot more than you are saying. For example Chelsea are behind in the league right now, but can definitely draw bigger players than Brighton and probably Arsenal. Barcelona were in the absolute mire but players were taking pay cuts from top 4 English teams to go there. Dortmund simply have a more impressive reputation than Frankfurt.
Players also know it’s a better stepping stone. Bigger teams are more likely to go for Dortmund players than Frankfurt
It's not about the specific league rank right now, but about the perspective a club can offer the player. Schalke is one of the biggest clubs in Germany, historically and culturally, and one of the most famous German clubs internationally. Yet, obviously no top player will sign for them right now. Prestige isn't enough, players want actual success, and if BVB doesn't drastically change something, Kamada won't have it there in the forseeable future. And Kamada is at a stage in his career where he doesn't need a stepping stone. Based on his performance this season, it should absolutely be possible to go to a good PL club as a free agent.
You raise some true points but you also sound heavily biased. Sure your trend is going upwards while we suck this season but saying both of us being in ro16 in the CL makes us even is bs and the last part of you being above us soon... Well thats highly speculative. We very well could find our groove next season when our defense finally finds form, Haller is back and Moukoko develops. On top of that Kamada gets a signing bonus and most likely twice the wage. On his part a transfer makes sense. Yeah he can earn even more abroad but lets see what he chooses to do.
I put the CL RO16 to compare current international club standings. If he came from Union or Freiburg to BVB, IMO it would still be a different thing than if he came from Frankfurt, even if those clubs landed above BVB in the league. As for the development, IMO, and in the opinion of most BVB fans, a downwards trend has been going on for longer than this season. Player material, coaches, the way the club is ran, all going downwards for years.
And obviously the signing bonus + wage aspect is the reason why he will leave, but BVB is definitely not the club that can offer him the most monetarily out of all rumoured clubs.
According to Sky Germany’s information Kamada is **not** on the verge of a move to Borussia Dortmund. Currently, there are neither final negotiations nor an agreement with the player, nor has the player received an offer from BVB.
https://twitter.com/westsven/status/1603359360771624962
It seems that people like to believe garbage as long as it fits their own narrative.
I realized that buying bang average BL players like Kirch won’t get us anywhere. 10 years later the average Dortmund fan has finally caught on after over a dozen expensive flops. But Dortmund itself hasn’t caught on. The mgmt is fucking stupid and greedy. Why aim for trophies when they can luck out on a Sancho or Dembele once in awhile?
I want to cry everytime I think about Toprak, Schurrle, Rode and Castro.
People criticising Dortmund for signing players from domestic rivals etc, but this transfer actually makes sense to be fair. Especially when you consider Reus' age, Brandts up and down form and Bellingham probably leaving in the summer.
People just post these comments because Dortmund fans have been a bit insufferable with their "holier than thou" attitude a couple years ago. They loved to criticize Bayern for transfers that "made sense" and was just what everybody else was doing as well.
If you actually read any of those threads you would see it’s premier league fans complaining about it more than any fan with a Dortmund flair. Hell, take a look at our subreddit. Our own fans on here are tired of buying within the league.
Dorrmund is like Tesco's Bayern lol and I say that with respect to all parties involved.
Dortmund has been much, much worse in regard to buying players from the league than Bayern in the recent years
Bayern go for the top of the top bundesliga players. Dortmund go for a level or 2 below that so there's more selection of players. Pretty sure Dortmund has to replace players more too
Don't really understand your logic. The level of players Bayern go for is available across all leagues, as is Dortmund's. Bayern pick their players from different leagues, while Dortmund picks their players from Gladbach.
> while Dortmund picks their players from Gladbach. Dortmund signed 3 Gladbach players over the past decade, with one potentially incoming this summer. Bayern signed Leipzigs best defender, captain and coach last window and is about to go for one of their best midfielders a year later.
Funny how you mention Nagelsmann, but leave out Rose in your transfer calculation...
They sent like $25 million on Nagelsmann. I think it's fair to include him.
This was about players. Nagelsmann is noteworthy because they happened to grab Leipzigs coach, captain and best defender in the same window. Even if you add Rose and Favre, once more, doing these signings over a full on decade doesn't come anywhere close to raiding half of RB or Hoffenheim in a single window.
Also, we got favre from nice, not gladbach.
Right, forgot about that. So point remains, even with Bensebaini/Laimer and Rose/Nagelsmann considerered it's only ever 1 player more (who also happens to be from our academy) over a god damn decade than Bayern got over a year.
Bayern signed 3 Dortmund players last decade and still the major narrative is Bayern buys the best from Dortmund tho
That's because these weren't 3 random Bundesliga players, but rather at worst the second best German defender, the biggest German talent in decades and a striker that went on to become second only to Messi and Ronaldo. And a lot more clustered than what Dortmund does. In truth, buying a bunch of players in a very short time from the best Bundesliga sides (Dortmund, Leipzig, Hoffenheim under Nagelsmann at the time) is simply something that's way more noticeable over time than buying, as I said, 3 players over the course of a decade.
Upamecano Goretza Gnabry Pavard Laimer next season plus all the guys poached from Dortmund in the last decade. Same thing as BVB. Bayern just gets the better players normally the ones Dortmund bought and developed it's just what the food chain is.
> all the guys poached from Dortmund in the last decade. Pretty sure that more players went from Bayern to Dortmund in the last decade than the other way around.
Didn't want to mention them by name but fair enough. Big difference was that Lewa Hummels Gotze in their prime is different to Rode older Hummels and past his prime Gotze.
Lewy wasn't a Dortmund player anymore though, he was a free agent
Then you obviously don’t know the history behind the transfer.
Does it matter? His contract ran out eg he didn't have a contract with Dortmund anymore, ergo he was a free agent.
>more players went from Bayern to Dortmund Yes, But like Hummels and Sule it was a case of players that Bayern deemed excess baggage or that were finished. Neither Gotze nor Lewa were actively sold by Dortmund, they would have actually loved to keep them.
Süle had an offer from Bayern for 10m/year. He wanted to double his salary at Bayern which would have meant 16m/year. Bayern wanted to keep him but not at that price. And Hummels bounces between Bayern and Dortmund his whole career. He felt he needed to change something and first idea that came through his mind was going back to Dortmund.
Such a dumb narrative. Not sure why everyone is all up in arms over us taking a smart free transfer as any club would do, the fact he’s in the Bundesliga doesn’t mean we just look past it. I can understand being salty but don’t play the victim if players would rather join us.
I think the issue is Bayern get the best one every time they buy.
Bayern have the pull to threaten clubs to make players run out their contracts. Which results in more free transfers and a lot of "discounts" to prevent that. And that is for better players. Dortmund can't really do that, naturally. Of course, Kamada here is free, but I doubt this has been a long planned transfer.
Indeed. Dortmund are shit the years at buying expensive salary defenders. Its easier to coach a defender than an attacker Look at Simeone in atl madrid. Makes average defenders worldclass. It can all be coached, positioning and decision making. But teaching someone to drible 1v1 or be creative. U cant learn that after 14+ years If you never done it as child. Impossible to be creative player
Yeah, very hit and miss like although more miss recently. Our transfer strategy doesn't pay off that well except for our (future) world class and Kobel lol
I always feel like you need a good DM as a key player. Kamada could be a very good fit but is that really the most important role to upgrade?
Suele being a notable exception
because 99 of buli players are not good enough for bayern. bayern is now looking international for players and we filled the void.
Even Tesco?
I mean, they’re Bayern’s Tesco too
Stealing the best players from the league on a free, standard Dortmund
Then selling the player to Premier League team with x10 multiple.
Nah, those are the youth players they actually sensibly scout. The players they buy from their BL competition normally stagnate and are sold with loss/leave for free
Thats the thing that upsets me the most. We sell players for a shitload of cash but then decide we need "proven" players and waste the cash on Emre Can, Nico Schulz, Hazard, etc
Our bundesliga signings tend to underperform and then leave us in a "too expensive to get rid of" situation. Hazard and Schulz being two examples
how many players did we "steal" for free, hm? *thats* actually bayerns job
Why should sportitalia be in a position to break a Kamada to Dortmund story?
Maybe Berlusconi sent a bus to Kamada.
Multiple italian clubs were interested
Who exactly? Most serious rumours came from the PL, and Serie A clubs being interested doesn't mean that a random Italian paper is in a position to know what Dortmund will do
As football essentially adopts a free agency model where the norm becomes to sign shorter contracts as to be able to choose your own destination and convert saved transfer fees into higher salaries, you really do feel for some of these clubs. For a player of his quality to leave and for Frankfurt to see 0€ for it is a shame. Will be interesting to see how clubs respond and if transfers are even a thing in say 10 years or if we look back on a time when clubs used to pay tens of millions for the rights to sign a player for a huge contract seems like an insane period of football.
He has been in Frankfurt sonce 2017 how is that a short contract?
I am saying this will happen in the future more. Not for every player, but for those in the right age and skill bracket, I believe a player will value shorter contracts for more flexibility over the previous norm which was to secure the longest contract possible.
Longer contract for injury protection
Some players might still value it, no doubt. It would apply to a fairly limited pool of players in the right age and skill bracket. I think there will be growing segment of players who bet on themselves and use shorter contracts to get more money. If you are 24 years old and transferring from a mid table side to a top 1/3 side for instance, it is an easy argument to make that you should sign a 3 year deal instead of a 5 year deal. In 2 years it puts you in a position with great leverage. Either to re-new your deal, or to go to another club and like many players are doing, demand some portion of the saved transfer cost to be converted into more salary for you. Club gets you for cheap and you get paid way more. Also from the club perspective, would this sort of market for most good players not be better? Is it really sustainable or even profitable to continue to spend tens of millions on transfers? Would you rather not have a large pool of players who are out of contract even if it means the players on your team can also take advantage of this?
Why would it be better for the clubs? They spend more on wages than they do on tranfers every year
Why would it be better for clubs to spend less on transfers? I don't understand what you are asking. A club like City spent 45% of what it spends on yearly wages (215M) just on Grealish's transfer (100M) so they could have the right to pay him millions more to play for them. Why would a club like City not welcome a market for players in which transfer fees are irrelevant and most top talent players are free agents instead of buying the rights to sign them for massive amounts of money? Like explain the inverse of your question to me, why would it be bad to spend less on transfers?
Because that money will just go to the players wages
Not all of it - if they suck you cut em
It will be better for clubs when they sign 28 yr olds who can make immediate impact but have 0 resale value - might as well just sign them for a short term deal ofrom free agency rather than risk blowing another 50m It does however make it harder for teams w lots of youngsters to actually get full value out of them if they sign only short term deals
Honestly if you’re not elite of the elite but solid-to-good and you’re like 27-29, you *should* prefer a free transfer And conversely it may be worth it for teams to lock down young players w lo ger contracts despite the risk, as you still want to hold onto them when they typically hit their primes in their mid 20s
It makes sense if you are assuming that everyone in football somehow becomes future tellers and know which player's career will go how. That's not the case. For every guy like this who goes up, several go down or stay on the same level. In that case they're losing money doing that. It's a risk just as with many life situations where you sign a shorter contract. A lot of guys in Dortmund or Eintracht or any club would not be getting close to their current salary if they were to sign a fresh new contract today. Disappointment is arguably MORE common than positive surprise in that regard.
That’s a two way street though, and the food chain will remain in place. Frankfurt loses out here, but in the future they will be able to snap up a player for free that they previously might have paid a fee for.
Get the fuck out of here. Firstly, an Italian source I've never heard of talking about the transfer of a player going from one German club to another and secondly, why are we seemingly going for Kamada and Kudus at the same time and not one or the other? It's such a tunnel vision-esque move when we need to sort out a DM, a LB/RB, atleast two wingers, a CB depth option and possibly a striker if Haller can't play as well as he did before the cancer. It honestly looks like a "Kamada is a solid bundesliga player on a free, that's too good to miss out on"
Bullshit source tbh. There is a new Kamada rumour every 2 days, wouldn't get too excited as BVB fan. Also, from his perspective, I really don't see the appeal of moving from Frankfurt to Dortmund, but his choice🤷♂️
He would be moving to a better team? It’s obviously a step up
Yes Dortmund is obviously a better team but one would think that Kamada could definitely punch a bit above that weight and could go for his dream of playing PL which is apparently very prestigious for Japanese players
Agreed and I'm not even mad if he doesnt come to us. Sure good player he is but time has shown again and again us taking players from within the league doesnt end too well for us. He could work well as Dahoud replacement but the question is if he shows his true potential for us or if he's gonna be the next Brandt of the first three seasons. Too many players seem to drop off after they join us.
> playing PL which is apparently very prestigious for Japanese players It’s prestigious for any player lol
1. In Frankfurt he’s loved and is a core player of the team while he may not play as big of a role or may not fit in the Dortmund squad. 2. Frankfurt has been doing just as well as Dortmund in the last few years even if Dortmund is the ‘bigger’ club. 3. Dortmund is not known for offering high wages, so there’s no money incentive compared to moving to PL clubs. He could definitely move to Dortmund but I’d argue that it’s quite unlikely.
> Frankfurt has been doing just as well as Dortmund in the last few years even if Dortmund is the ‘bigger’ club. Frankfurt just qualified for the CL for the first time in their history, that is, in fact, not the same as getting to CL without issue every season. Meme us all you want, but Frankfurt, even in recent years, is a clear step below Dortmund, both in terms of success and financials.
more of a side step than a step up. Frankfurt is progressing and developing strongly over the past couple years, Dortmund is moving backwards. Both clubs are quite close to each other I would say.
Just barely lmao. Obviously Dortmund is the bigger name and they can offer a higher salary, but especially right now the difference is definitely not big enough that it would be worth it to give up his standing at his current club. Both clubs in CL RO16, Frankfurt won 2 trophies in the last 4 years, of which one was European, Frankfurt has the better coach and IMO more exciting player material. If you look at the development of both clubs in recent years, I would even go as far to say that Frankfurt will be above Dortmund in the league for the next 1-2 years, but maybe I'm just biased in that regard. He was linked with clubs like Tottenham and Arsenal before, and he's a free agent, so chosing Dortmund would definitely be very underwhelming.
That’s not really how it works though. Historical size of club and reputation comes into it a lot more than you are saying. For example Chelsea are behind in the league right now, but can definitely draw bigger players than Brighton and probably Arsenal. Barcelona were in the absolute mire but players were taking pay cuts from top 4 English teams to go there. Dortmund simply have a more impressive reputation than Frankfurt. Players also know it’s a better stepping stone. Bigger teams are more likely to go for Dortmund players than Frankfurt
It's not about the specific league rank right now, but about the perspective a club can offer the player. Schalke is one of the biggest clubs in Germany, historically and culturally, and one of the most famous German clubs internationally. Yet, obviously no top player will sign for them right now. Prestige isn't enough, players want actual success, and if BVB doesn't drastically change something, Kamada won't have it there in the forseeable future. And Kamada is at a stage in his career where he doesn't need a stepping stone. Based on his performance this season, it should absolutely be possible to go to a good PL club as a free agent.
You raise some true points but you also sound heavily biased. Sure your trend is going upwards while we suck this season but saying both of us being in ro16 in the CL makes us even is bs and the last part of you being above us soon... Well thats highly speculative. We very well could find our groove next season when our defense finally finds form, Haller is back and Moukoko develops. On top of that Kamada gets a signing bonus and most likely twice the wage. On his part a transfer makes sense. Yeah he can earn even more abroad but lets see what he chooses to do.
I put the CL RO16 to compare current international club standings. If he came from Union or Freiburg to BVB, IMO it would still be a different thing than if he came from Frankfurt, even if those clubs landed above BVB in the league. As for the development, IMO, and in the opinion of most BVB fans, a downwards trend has been going on for longer than this season. Player material, coaches, the way the club is ran, all going downwards for years. And obviously the signing bonus + wage aspect is the reason why he will leave, but BVB is definitely not the club that can offer him the most monetarily out of all rumoured clubs.
Following his idol Shinji Kagawa maybe?
Has he said that?
Nah I'm just saying anything lol. Could be related tho
FYI: https://www.instagram.com/p/CmtNLkXS4Bb/?igshid=OTRmMjhlYjM= Literally called him his idol so you were 100% right 🔮
fuck off, dortmund man
According to Sky Germany’s information Kamada is **not** on the verge of a move to Borussia Dortmund. Currently, there are neither final negotiations nor an agreement with the player, nor has the player received an offer from BVB. https://twitter.com/westsven/status/1603359360771624962 It seems that people like to believe garbage as long as it fits their own narrative.
Ngl, I thought he would renew with Frankfurt. I remember reading an article that he is a priority to them.
I realized that buying bang average BL players like Kirch won’t get us anywhere. 10 years later the average Dortmund fan has finally caught on after over a dozen expensive flops. But Dortmund itself hasn’t caught on. The mgmt is fucking stupid and greedy. Why aim for trophies when they can luck out on a Sancho or Dembele once in awhile? I want to cry everytime I think about Toprak, Schurrle, Rode and Castro.
frankfurt bro, we gave you rode, knauff and indirectly goetze.
People criticising Dortmund for signing players from domestic rivals etc, but this transfer actually makes sense to be fair. Especially when you consider Reus' age, Brandts up and down form and Bellingham probably leaving in the summer.
>rivals etc, but this transfer actually makes sense to be fair. Tbf we've seen so many Dortmund transfers that should've made sense
People just post these comments because Dortmund fans have been a bit insufferable with their "holier than thou" attitude a couple years ago. They loved to criticize Bayern for transfers that "made sense" and was just what everybody else was doing as well.
Change “Dortmund fans” to “Premier league fans” and then your sentence is correct.
Nah, thanks. It's already fine. Don't pretend you missed all of that, or the whole "Robin Hood vs Sheriff of Nottingham" narrative.
If you actually read any of those threads you would see it’s premier league fans complaining about it more than any fan with a Dortmund flair. Hell, take a look at our subreddit. Our own fans on here are tired of buying within the league.
I also said "a couple of years ago".
Tears incoming