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Level-Literature-856

USA has speed and control .. Defenders a little weak but im liking this team ..


nimboloojak

Anyone heard the rumours about Iranian players and their families were threatened by their government?


alcien100

yes i read about this. whats gonna happen to players and families now that they lost?


ragingblast2902

The punishments weren’t about losing or winning. It was really about them disrespecting the national anthem


SnooPeanuts4219

Having no offense is bad for group stage. In knockouts you MUST have good defense to progress which we do - we can take on the Nederlands for sure. They are not threatening up front in the least. Can we go further than that? With the players gassed out after 70 minutes - that would be a tough ask.


xpsycho_tommah

I completely agree with you about the fact that a good defense is critical in the knock out stages. However I think you underestimate the Dutch defense: \- Virgil van Dijk \- Mathijs de Ligt \- Denzel Dumfries \- Nathan Aké \- Stefan de Vrij \- Jurriën Timber The Dutch lack offensive qualities even if you take Gakpo, Depay and Frenkie de Jong into consideration. But their defense is top tier.


JBM94

You’re probably going to get pumped in the round of 16 to be fair.


JBM94

*ZING*


FinnsWake13

Cody Gakpo would like to have word with you about your not threatening comment. Kids good.


Professional-Ad-6265

Gakpo is literally there. A threat up front for anyone who opposes him. Scores everything. He's been brutal and in good form. Also the midfield which can definitely long shot their way to victory. Netherlands has more quality in the team everywhere, but I do wish usa beats them still.


FinnsWake13

And dumfries is a great offensive rb.


nerd-gamer5912

No way, US are better at every position except striker and center back.


Professional-Ad-6265

You're trolling...


FinnsWake13

And manager, no offense to GGG, LVG is just better.


nerd-gamer5912

How do you figure?


FinnsWake13

Umm well LVG has managed Ajax, Barca, Bayern and Man Utd. Hes one of the most decorated managers in world football. He won the league with all of those except United, multiple cup wins. Hes taken third in a world cup with netherlands before. Won a bunch of different manager of the year awards for different areas and such. And Berhalter well...hasn't. His big career highlight is managing an mls team before the US, which had some limited success but no championships. And he got fired from his only European job with a second tier swedish team.


nerd-gamer5912

Has he ever lost to a manager worse than him before?


FinnsWake13

Of course. But you were specifically saying positions were worse or better at than them. You didnt say, can we win?


NTXPRAK

Having no real striker going up against the worlds 2 best center backs isn’t exactly an advantage for us. This thing will go to penalties. Bet


Acceptable-Remove967

While a great striker would clearly help. What opportunities have our strikers had to finish? They haven’t gotten good opportunities at all. Sure they can’t create some for themselves like world class players but it’s our final ball that’s been so lacking. Not like these guys are just missing sitters and if only we had someone to put them away. We just don’t make that final pass- head down, dribbling straight. How many times in the final 3rd did that happen? When literally a 6yd pass to a wide open player leads to a “goal”


SnooPeanuts4219

Also, where did Nederlands get two of the worlds best defenders? Ake VVD and Timber are all good players but let’s not call any of them great.


HauntingPersonality7

Timber is brilliant and brilliantly talented.


Wym8nManderly

Let’s not call VVD great lmao. Good troll.


AcidEpicice

You’ve got to be trolling


turntJedi

Wtf VVD is the best CB in the world, how can you not call him great?


kwhicks

Two good seasons. He’s been shit the last 18 months.


Constant_List6829

What stinking take. He was amazing last season


kwhicks

He was poor last year by his usual standard and has been poor this season


Constant_List6829

Poor by his usual standards yet he was still part of the joint best defence in the league lats year


kwhicks

Again, we are talking about the individual. He has not been at the same level as he was before the injury. Look at him the season, he’s level below. Also that stat doesn’t take into account how fantastic Allison has been. If you think VVD is the same player as he was pre injury then there’s no discussion here for me


Constant_List6829

The argument was never about whether or not hes up to his usual standards. You said he was shit, I said he wasnt.


okie_hiker

What a shit take. Liverpool doesn’t have the season they had last year if he was shit.


kwhicks

VVD was not nearly as good as he once was since his knee injury, that’s bullshit if you think he’s the same


DLottchula

Shit for him is still most peoples gold


SnooPeanuts4219

All it takes is a winding run to get that lump pile to fall over. Captain America will make a meal out of him - IF VVD stops hiding behind his defensive partners. Bet he will cower away again!


assofaphoenix

Hi There 👋👋👋


assofaphoenix

He… okay then, you’re in for a surprise


SnooPeanuts4219

I’m fine with going to penalties. We have a very good goalkeeper. Nederlands doesn’t.


Aldoburgo

Delusion is strong in this one... ;)


Jesse_VdV

Noppert is just as good at stopping a penalty as your guy lmao He's 203 cm tall and agile as fuck, have some respect


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Jesse_VdV

Google a cm to ft converter, fatty


JimmminyCricket

Bro. You’re LITERALLY A FATASS. Look at your damn profile pic.


Jesse_VdV

No way


oregonianrager

How do you know he's fat? Crooked teeth.


Jesse_VdV

Because hes american, but i see i struck a nerve (Btw crooked teeth is a british thing, know your generalisations bud)


SnooPeanuts4219

Nope!


Jesse_VdV

Youll find out dw


SnooPeanuts4219

Tall boy is getting megged again n again you just wait n see


Jesse_VdV

That humbling session is going to hit so hard half of your obese population will collapse to the ground Gakpo hattrick incoming, Pullinut and co will be nowhere


JimmminyCricket

“Half of your obese population will collapse to the ground” Says the dude with a fat pic as his profile and Marlboro cigarettes. Lmao. Didn’t wanna go there but you did first.


SnooPeanuts4219

A proper Dutch fan would know that this is one of the worst Dutch sides in their World Cup history.


Jesse_VdV

And they will still make sure you catch the plane back sunday morning lmao A "bad" Dutch side will always be better than a "good" US side lol


gopackgo555

What a win but the team won’t go far with Bernhalter in charge. His hate for Reyna is absurd. Especially when the other subs are so average and continue to be terrible when brought on.


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Dude, you sound like a product of the ‘pay to play’ shit lineage. Your circlejerk buddies already f’d the team up for decades and they’re not welcome back.


gopackgo555

What the fuck are you on and can I have some.


Math-CS-Essays

What


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Where you playing reyna? Out of position or are you dropping weah or pulisic


PracticalDrawing

At this point out of position is okay


gopackgo555

Out of position up top will still be substantially better than what Wright has done. I’d also play him over Weah in a match like today when a team is sitting back.


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Very big ask of a 20 year old on the biggest stage against the best teams in the world. You think he will do well playing as a centre forward for the first time in his first world cup against van dijk? I think you will end up playing on the back foot with no outlet if and when you do turn over possession.


gopackgo555

Right so Weah should be starting in matches where the US is expected to be on the back foot like against the Netherlands. As for up top I have a hard time believing he would be worse than what Wright provided today. The formation would call for more positional fluidity though. He’s simply too good to not be playing. Especially in a team that has trouble creating and finishing.


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But Wright only started today, you will probably go back to Sargent. Weah has started every game and been one of your best players so he isn't getting dropped. You are other dropping pulisic, your best player, weah, one of if not your best player this tournament, or playing him at centre forward and setting up without a natural centre forward. You obviously can't change formation. What is it about reyna that makes you so certain he would be an improvement or he should play, even out of position?


gopackgo555

Sargent is probably done for the tournament so Wright will be probably starting on Saturday. Also in no way has Weah been the player of the tournament for the US. The whole midfield has been better than him. Probably the defense and Pulisic too. Reyna is simply a better player than Weah but I also get why Weah is playing.


nxtplz

Weah has been great wtf are you talking about lol


gopackgo555

I never said he hasn’t been good. He has had a good tournament but he still isn’t better than Reyna and in no way has he been the us player of the tournament. Multiple players have been better.


nxtplz

So you're just saying a whole not of nothing lol.


SnooPeanuts4219

Let’s appreciate the fact that we did very well in an otherwise tough group - Iran and Wales are both “better teams” but we did show them didn’t we


JBM94

Yeah you absolutely destroyed them.


gopackgo555

I very much appreciate it but it doesn’t change the fact that the team is limited by his decisions. The team can make a serious run in 2026 if things are handled well.


JBM94

You forget that even with a ‘golden generation’ there’s so many more factors than just turning up and pumping everyone. England had many golden generations and flattered to deceive. This is your first. Why are you automatically going to destroy everyone. It’s abit arrogant.


SnooPeanuts4219

I know I know..well let’s hope we can have a serious run this year already. I’m tired of saying “next year” for too damn long now!


FogoCanard

I wonder how much longer his leash is after this? Does he get another 4 years automatically for getting out of the group?


ips1023

The only way he’s out is if we rank the gold cup and don’t qualify for the next WC.


TheTokingBlackGuy

I think we auto-qualify as the host nation, no?


ips1023

There are 3 host nations though. Everyone gets a free pass?


FinnsWake13

Yeah, theyre also expanding to 48 teams so plenty of space.


okie_hiker

Correct


TheTokingBlackGuy

¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯ ​ EDIT: Googled it, *on August 31, 2022, during a visit to Guatemala, FIFA President Gianni Infantino confirmed* ***six CONCACAF teams will qualify for the World Cup, including Canada, Mexico and the United States as hosts.***


ips1023

https://www.goal.com/en-us/news/do-world-cup-hosts-automatically-qualify-for-the-tournament/blt550ef68c6581844b


Plainbrain867

He’s gotta beat Netherlands to have any sort of longer leash


DLottchula

Like if we lose a good game to the Netherlands he's gonna have the same amount of slack


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DecaturPsalmist

Uh did you watch both teams against England? Cause only one played up to their level and it wasn’t Iran


NdombeleAouar

Did we watch the same game? Iran could barely control the ball and turn


nxtplz

Despite the ref doing everything in his power to help them too


cusoo

Was talking about overall performance during the tournament


BoysenberryAncient30

How is getting smoked 6-2 to England, barely beating Wales, and then losing to the US impressive?


moaterboater69

Im obviously happy for the win but Wright, Shaq and Robinson were trash tonight. Gregg needs to wake up.


notyourbroguy

Robinson had a few moments where his touch was too big while he tried to pick up speed but overall he looked very very dangerous on that left side and tracked back to win balls all game. One of the best for me tonight easily.


MurfMan11

Dude is the fastest on the pitch every game, he's absolutely vital to us.


DarthNihilus1

Really? Robinson was very solid. Only near the end did he go kick and run. Every time he had the ball he controlled it well and played it on or did a 1-2. I'm not sure what you saw tbh. You could tell he was a premier league player to be honest


Riomaggiore

Robinson was good. But Shaq and Wright were hot garbage. Both nearly cost the game and lack game awareness...Wright needed to take that ball to the flag instead of turning it over.


moaterboater69

Robinson was shocking imo and to think hes a starting full back for a premier league team! He panics when a pass isnt available and knocks the ball forward hoping to just abuse his speed FIFA style. That doesnt work against a low block. Disappointed with him because I know hes so much more solid than that. Wright and Shaq just arent good enough plain and simple we had better options on the bench.


ExcellentPastries

Robinson is, at this point, probably one of the 2 or 3 best LBs we've ever had playing for the USMNT.


Riomaggiore

I thought Robinson tired toward the end (as all the USA players) and his touches became a little long, resulting in turnovers. But overall he was solid.


moaterboater69

Fair. Maybe im just emotional from the game. It just sucked that our best plays ended with him making the wrong decisions. Defensively he was solid though.


the_malakinator

robinson showed his inexperience tonight but he also showed a lot of potential


Hack_Jarlow

Wright is fucking garbage. Doesn’t press, doesn’t hold on to the ball, can’t head, can’t finish or read space. How that man can call himself a professional is beyond me


Philoctetes23

Altidore and Dempsey deserved this midfield smh.


JokerAndTheKnight

Alditore was not great


pekingsewer

Altidore was good for the US. Enough with the dumb revision of those class of players.


ExcellentPastries

I'd take prime Altidore over any striker on the roster today.


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We have a striker?


JokerAndTheKnight

True


human1st

True. But he was good for the US.


Philoctetes23

Was he a world class striker? No. But he was pretty decent and better than the lack of strikers present today


ips1023

Having that muscle up front would be so helpful.


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I’d take muscle or height


BobbyLite94

GG Iran better luck in 4 years when you have to come to America 🇺🇸


blueberries

If they play in LA aka Tehrangeles it will be a home game


ips1023

Mexican fans would still outnumber them lol


ItsDiverDanMan

As an Angelino, lololol. Appreciate the reference


Artistic_Type909

Legend has it that wright is still walking around on the pitch


russellbeattie

Bring on those wooden shoe wearing, tulip loving, freakishly tall bastards! We’re going to roll over them!


cornflakes34

Van Dijk -> FdJ -> spam cross -> Luuk de Jong -> freakishly tall -> goal


jmucapsfan07

As a casual fan, it shocks me it seems like the one thing the US doesn’t have is a good striker. I’d figure that’d be the one positions we’d be loaded at.


retrogam3rs

Would’ve been great to have flo balogun commit before this World Cup


okie_hiker

He still hasn’t officially committed anywhere, right?


notyourbroguy

We’re actually known for producing incredible goalies believe it or not. We are not known for great strikers as the greats are typically from Europe or South America.


ips1023

Because they get so many shots on them lol


notyourbroguy

Lol practice makes perfect 😂


_Jetto_

After the 90s and 00s we saved forwards for actual diverse MF


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Senip

That's just asking for a ban here buddy


Mr_Rafi

-American Chelsea fan since 2019 Yeah, delete that comment.


Aurelius_Red

I hate the government of Iran, too, but let’s not be like that.


dupont2021

This is not the way.


-BoldlyGoingNowhere-

Gracious in victory? Come on man.


-DizzyPanda-

fuck that. No reason to be gracious to a despotic theocracy.


DarthNihilus1

Yeah because the ayatollah himself was charging down the wing today obviously


Do__Math__Not__Meth

I mean he is a pretty notorious right winger


-DizzyPanda-

He would have been bragging about it for sure had they knocked the US out though


DarthNihilus1

That's what egotistical leaders do even if their subjects disagree with them. You are lame as hell for trying to make this some victory over theocracy. The team itself doesn't like the government either.


utanapixtim

the US is responsible for much more death and suffering than Iran. By far. You guys have a saying about a situation like this, something about glass houses...


boodyclap

The peopel and team don't support the government either


ulrickm

C’mon. We can criticize the Iranian government without putting down their national team players and fans/regular people.


-DizzyPanda-

i literally only shit on the despotic theocracy


utanapixtim

The USMNT didnt beat a despotic theocracy, they beat the Iranian men's soccer team


Schittt

I hate their government too, but come on not every Iranian is the same as their leaders


OverviewEffect

Iranians are great people. Their govt can suck a fat fucking dick.


oblivionyaya

Maybe the US shouldn’t have overthrown their democratically elected government in 1953*. Beggars can’t be choosing world leaders. edit: for the record I’m happy for the US team making it through but I will not stand for ignorance and historical revisionism about why Iran looks the way it does today and the role U.S. imperialism had in that. You’re allowed to hold two thoughts in your brain at once.


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oblivionyaya

lmao wow. get over it, we overthrew your democratically elected government and installed the theocracy that we will complain about. what a braindead take. if the US was coup’ed 70 years ago, this place would look way different than it does today. Get over it. that’s American Exceptionalism in three words.


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oblivionyaya

read a [book](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27état)


oblivionyaya

Americans don’t care because they don’t know. Iran was a democracy until the US made it an authoritarian government. Imperialism relies on the historical ignorance of the civilians.