By - PatrickChase
USA has speed and control .. Defenders a little weak but im liking this team ..
Anyone heard the rumours about Iranian players and their families were threatened by their government?
yes i read about this. whats gonna happen to players and families now that they lost?
The punishments weren’t about losing or winning. It was really about them disrespecting the national anthem
Having no offense is bad for group stage. In knockouts you MUST have good defense to progress which we do - we can take on the Nederlands for sure. They are not threatening up front in the least. Can we go further than that? With the players gassed out after 70 minutes - that would be a tough ask.
I completely agree with you about the fact that a good defense is critical in the knock out stages. However I think you underestimate the Dutch defense:
\- Virgil van Dijk
\- Mathijs de Ligt
\- Denzel Dumfries
\- Nathan Aké
\- Stefan de Vrij
\- Jurriën Timber
The Dutch lack offensive qualities even if you take Gakpo, Depay and Frenkie de Jong into consideration. But their defense is top tier.
You’re probably going to get pumped in the round of 16 to be fair.
Cody Gakpo would like to have word with you about your not threatening comment. Kids good.
Gakpo is literally there. A threat up front for anyone who opposes him. Scores everything.
He's been brutal and in good form.
Also the midfield which can definitely long shot their way to victory.
Netherlands has more quality in the team everywhere, but I do wish usa beats them still.
And dumfries is a great offensive rb.
No way, US are better at every position except striker and center back.
And manager, no offense to GGG, LVG is just better.
How do you figure?
Umm well LVG has managed Ajax, Barca, Bayern and Man Utd. Hes one of the most decorated managers in world football. He won the league with all of those except United, multiple cup wins. Hes taken third in a world cup with netherlands before.
Won a bunch of different manager of the year awards for different areas and such.
And Berhalter well...hasn't. His big career highlight is managing an mls team before the US, which had some limited success but no championships. And he got fired from his only European job with a second tier swedish team.
Has he ever lost to a manager worse than him before?
But you were specifically saying positions were worse or better at than them. You didnt say, can we win?
Having no real striker going up against the worlds 2 best center backs isn’t exactly an advantage for us. This thing will go to penalties. Bet
While a great striker would clearly help. What opportunities have our strikers had to finish? They haven’t gotten good opportunities at all. Sure they can’t create some for themselves like world class players but it’s our final ball that’s been so lacking. Not like these guys are just missing sitters and if only we had someone to put them away. We just don’t make that final pass- head down, dribbling straight. How many times in the final 3rd did that happen? When literally a 6yd pass to a wide open player leads to a “goal”
Also, where did Nederlands get two of the worlds best defenders? Ake VVD and Timber are all good players but let’s not call any of them great.
Timber is brilliant and brilliantly talented.
Let’s not call VVD great lmao.
You’ve got to be trolling
Wtf VVD is the best CB in the world, how can you not call him great?
Two good seasons. He’s been shit the last 18 months.
What stinking take. He was amazing last season
He was poor last year by his usual standard and has been poor this season
Poor by his usual standards yet he was still part of the joint best defence in the league lats year
Again, we are talking about the individual. He has not been at the same level as he was before the injury. Look at him the season, he’s level below. Also that stat doesn’t take into account how fantastic Allison has been. If you think VVD is the same player as he was pre injury then there’s no discussion here for me
The argument was never about whether or not hes up to his usual standards. You said he was shit, I said he wasnt.
What a shit take. Liverpool doesn’t have the season they had last year if he was shit.
VVD was not nearly as good as he once was since his knee injury, that’s bullshit if you think he’s the same
Shit for him is still most peoples gold
All it takes is a winding run to get that lump pile to fall over. Captain America will make a meal out of him - IF VVD stops hiding behind his defensive partners. Bet he will cower away again!
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He… okay then, you’re in for a surprise
I’m fine with going to penalties. We have a very good goalkeeper. Nederlands doesn’t.
Delusion is strong in this one... ;)
Noppert is just as good at stopping a penalty as your guy lmao
He's 203 cm tall and agile as fuck, have some respect
Google a cm to ft converter, fatty
Bro. You’re LITERALLY A FATASS. Look at your damn profile pic.
How do you know he's fat? Crooked teeth.
Because hes american, but i see i struck a nerve
(Btw crooked teeth is a british thing, know your generalisations bud)
Youll find out dw
Tall boy is getting megged again n again you just wait n see
That humbling session is going to hit so hard half of your obese population will collapse to the ground
Gakpo hattrick incoming, Pullinut and co will be nowhere
“Half of your obese population will collapse to the ground”
Says the dude with a fat pic as his profile and Marlboro cigarettes. Lmao. Didn’t wanna go there but you did first.
A proper Dutch fan would know that this is one of the worst Dutch sides in their World Cup history.
And they will still make sure you catch the plane back sunday morning lmao
A "bad" Dutch side will always be better than a "good" US side lol
What a win but the team won’t go far with Bernhalter in charge. His hate for Reyna is absurd. Especially when the other subs are so average and continue to be terrible when brought on.
Dude, you sound like a product of the ‘pay to play’ shit lineage. Your circlejerk buddies already f’d the team up for decades and they’re not welcome back.
What the fuck are you on and can I have some.
Where you playing reyna? Out of position or are you dropping weah or pulisic
At this point out of position is okay
Out of position up top will still be substantially better than what Wright has done. I’d also play him over Weah in a match like today when a team is sitting back.
Very big ask of a 20 year old on the biggest stage against the best teams in the world. You think he will do well playing as a centre forward for the first time in his first world cup against van dijk?
I think you will end up playing on the back foot with no outlet if and when you do turn over possession.
Right so Weah should be starting in matches where the US is expected to be on the back foot like against the Netherlands. As for up top I have a hard time believing he would be worse than what Wright provided today. The formation would call for more positional fluidity though.
He’s simply too good to not be playing. Especially in a team that has trouble creating and finishing.
But Wright only started today, you will probably go back to Sargent. Weah has started every game and been one of your best players so he isn't getting dropped.
You are other dropping pulisic, your best player, weah, one of if not your best player this tournament, or playing him at centre forward and setting up without a natural centre forward. You obviously can't change formation.
What is it about reyna that makes you so certain he would be an improvement or he should play, even out of position?
Sargent is probably done for the tournament so Wright will be probably starting on Saturday.
Also in no way has Weah been the player of the tournament for the US. The whole midfield has been better than him. Probably the defense and Pulisic too. Reyna is simply a better player than Weah but I also get why Weah is playing.
Weah has been great wtf are you talking about lol
I never said he hasn’t been good. He has had a good tournament but he still isn’t better than Reyna and in no way has he been the us player of the tournament. Multiple players have been better.
So you're just saying a whole not of nothing lol.
Let’s appreciate the fact that we did very well in an otherwise tough group - Iran and Wales are both “better teams” but we did show them didn’t we
Yeah you absolutely destroyed them.
I very much appreciate it but it doesn’t change the fact that the team is limited by his decisions. The team can make a serious run in 2026 if things are handled well.
You forget that even with a ‘golden generation’ there’s so many more factors than just turning up and pumping everyone. England had many golden generations and flattered to deceive. This is your first. Why are you automatically going to destroy everyone. It’s abit arrogant.
I know I know..well let’s hope we can have a serious run this year already. I’m tired of saying “next year” for too damn long now!
I wonder how much longer his leash is after this? Does he get another 4 years automatically for getting out of the group?
The only way he’s out is if we rank the gold cup and don’t qualify for the next WC.
I think we auto-qualify as the host nation, no?
There are 3 host nations though. Everyone gets a free pass?
Yeah, theyre also expanding to 48 teams so plenty of space.
EDIT: Googled it,
*on August 31, 2022, during a visit to Guatemala, FIFA President Gianni Infantino confirmed* ***six CONCACAF teams will qualify for the World Cup, including Canada, Mexico and the United States as hosts.***
He’s gotta beat Netherlands to have any sort of longer leash
Like if we lose a good game to the Netherlands he's gonna have the same amount of slack
Uh did you watch both teams against England? Cause only one played up to their level and it wasn’t Iran
Did we watch the same game? Iran could barely control the ball and turn
Despite the ref doing everything in his power to help them too
Was talking about overall performance during the tournament
How is getting smoked 6-2 to England, barely beating Wales, and then losing to the US impressive?
Im obviously happy for the win but Wright, Shaq and Robinson were trash tonight. Gregg needs to wake up.
Robinson had a few moments where his touch was too big while he tried to pick up speed but overall he looked very very dangerous on that left side and tracked back to win balls all game. One of the best for me tonight easily.
Dude is the fastest on the pitch every game, he's absolutely vital to us.
Really? Robinson was very solid. Only near the end did he go kick and run. Every time he had the ball he controlled it well and played it on or did a 1-2. I'm not sure what you saw tbh. You could tell he was a premier league player to be honest
Robinson was good. But Shaq and Wright were hot garbage. Both nearly cost the game and lack game awareness...Wright needed to take that ball to the flag instead of turning it over.
Robinson was shocking imo and to think hes a starting full back for a premier league team! He panics when a pass isnt available and knocks the ball forward hoping to just abuse his speed FIFA style. That doesnt work against a low block. Disappointed with him because I know hes so much more solid than that. Wright and Shaq just arent good enough plain and simple we had better options on the bench.
Robinson is, at this point, probably one of the 2 or 3 best LBs we've ever had playing for the USMNT.
I thought Robinson tired toward the end (as all the USA players) and his touches became a little long, resulting in turnovers. But overall he was solid.
Fair. Maybe im just emotional from the game. It just sucked that our best plays ended with him making the wrong decisions. Defensively he was solid though.
robinson showed his inexperience tonight but he also showed a lot of potential
Wright is fucking garbage. Doesn’t press, doesn’t hold on to the ball, can’t head, can’t finish or read space. How that man can call himself a professional is beyond me
Altidore and Dempsey deserved this midfield smh.
Alditore was not great
Altidore was good for the US. Enough with the dumb revision of those class of players.
I'd take prime Altidore over any striker on the roster today.
We have a striker?
True. But he was good for the US.
Was he a world class striker? No. But he was pretty decent and better than the lack of strikers present today
Having that muscle up front would be so helpful.
I’d take muscle or height
GG Iran better luck in 4 years when you have to come to America 🇺🇸
If they play in LA aka Tehrangeles it will be a home game
Mexican fans would still outnumber them lol
As an Angelino, lololol. Appreciate the reference
Legend has it that wright is still walking around on the pitch
Bring on those wooden shoe wearing, tulip loving, freakishly tall bastards! We’re going to roll over them!
Van Dijk -> FdJ -> spam cross -> Luuk de Jong -> freakishly tall -> goal
As a casual fan, it shocks me it seems like the one thing the US doesn’t have is a good striker. I’d figure that’d be the one positions we’d be loaded at.
Would’ve been great to have flo balogun commit before this World Cup
He still hasn’t officially committed anywhere, right?
We’re actually known for producing incredible goalies believe it or not. We are not known for great strikers as the greats are typically from Europe or South America.
Because they get so many shots on them lol
Lol practice makes perfect 😂
After the 90s and 00s we saved forwards for actual diverse MF
That's just asking for a ban here buddy
-American Chelsea fan since 2019
Yeah, delete that comment.
I hate the government of Iran, too, but let’s not be like that.
This is not the way.
Gracious in victory? Come on man.
fuck that. No reason to be gracious to a despotic theocracy.
Yeah because the ayatollah himself was charging down the wing today obviously
I mean he is a pretty notorious right winger
He would have been bragging about it for sure had they knocked the US out though
That's what egotistical leaders do even if their subjects disagree with them. You are lame as hell for trying to make this some victory over theocracy.
The team itself doesn't like the government either.
the US is responsible for much more death and suffering than Iran. By far. You guys have a saying about a situation like this, something about glass houses...
The peopel and team don't support the government either
C’mon. We can criticize the Iranian government without putting down their national team players and fans/regular people.
i literally only shit on the despotic theocracy
The USMNT didnt beat a despotic theocracy, they beat the Iranian men's soccer team
I hate their government too, but come on not every Iranian is the same as their leaders
Iranians are great people. Their govt can suck a fat fucking dick.
Maybe the US shouldn’t have overthrown their democratically elected government in 1953*. Beggars can’t be choosing world leaders.
edit: for the record I’m happy for the US team making it through but I will not stand for ignorance and historical revisionism about why Iran looks the way it does today and the role U.S. imperialism had in that. You’re allowed to hold two thoughts in your brain at once.
lmao wow. get over it, we overthrew your democratically elected government and installed the theocracy that we will complain about. what a braindead take. if the US was coup’ed 70 years ago, this place would look way different than it does today.
Get over it.
that’s American Exceptionalism in three words.
read a [book](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27état)
Americans don’t care because they don’t know. Iran was a democracy until the US made it an authoritarian government. Imperialism relies on the historical ignorance of the civilians.