T O P
Grosly_Incandescent

Selling Andreas Periera for actual, real life money is the best bit of business a club has done so far this summer. I can't beleive anyone would want to buy him, let alone roughly 10M, and a PL side at that. He's the worst player ive ever seen play for Manchester United.


el_rompe_toyotas-19

Is he THAT shit?


Grosly_Incandescent

Truly. He isn't good at anything.The only area he excels in is pre season for some strange reason.


NegativeHeli

Who was a worse signing, Pepe or Kepa?


monsterm1dget

Pepe of course.


theenigmacode

Peppa


jaanedejaanede

Peppa pig


ad1s6h

anyone else having problems with reddit loading? https://imgur.com/a/MtUjyuU


[deleted]

Not an Arsenal fan but is this how they're planning to play next year? (4-3-3/4-1-2-3) Ramsdale, Tomiyasu, Gabriel, White, Tierney, Partey, Viera, Odegaard, Saka, Jesus, ESR If Raphina comes into play does he fill in on the left for ESR?


Terran_it_up

It's a boring and common answer, but surely it'll just be a lot of rotation given there's 5 subs. There's a lot of players there who can play multiple positions, particularly in the attacking spots. I honestly think Arsenal will be the most interesting side to see how they play next season, there's a lot of new players combined with young ones continuing to develop. Spurs should be interesting too with a number of new signings and a full pre-season under Conte


[deleted]

[удалено]


_yellowfever_

He’s better then Saka


[deleted]

No way Raphina comes in as backup. He's a Brazil international, coveted by Chelsea, Spurs and Barca and the clear best player at Leeds. He's coming to start all the crunch games. Fee is currently 60/70 mil as per reports too. Don't want that playing second fiddle to Saka ahahaha


Spec1alistInFailure

Is Gabriel Jesus a Man City legend? Is Gareth Bale a Real Madrid legend? Is Divock Origi a Liverpool legend?


NegativeHeli

Jesus - No Bale - Some might disagree but definitely yes Origi - Scored some crucial goals for Liverpool but overall, not profilic enough.


Terran_it_up

Depends on how you define legends, Origi won't get anywhere near greatest XIs of all time/specific eras, but the goals he's scored in the CL win in particular were so crucial, 2 in a 4-0 semifinal comeback and then 1 to settle it in the final


MrVegosh

Origi isn’t a legend


[deleted]

None of them are legends. Jesus definitely not - wasn't even a starter most of the time. Bale is an overall legend for what he's done for spurs and Wales but his Madrid stint has been tainted by the poor last few years. Hes not a madrid legend but he is definitely a key part of a legendary team who showed up in a few huge moments. Origi is a cult hero loved by everyone rather than legend. Squad player who put in some legendary performances and cameos rather than Liverpool legend.


[deleted]

He's only not a certain Madrid legend because of how many incredible legends they've had.


Terran_it_up

Real Madrid often seem to have some not so gracious ends with their players, although rarely as acrimonious as it's been with Bale. I think in 15-20 years people will forget about all the "Wales Golf Madrid" stuff and focus more on the successes, but maybe I'm wrong


Fancy-Past-6831

No yes no


Mission_Hurry_4021

Yes yes no


_yellowfever_

Did Gabriel Jesus live up to the hype he got at Palmeiras?


Terran_it_up

I'm not sure what the expectations were of him at Palmeiras, but he didn't really live up to the hype of his first few months at City when he was keeping Aguero on the bench


doriscissorsfind441

No


[deleted]

[удалено]


Terran_it_up

Juve have their whole "Winning isn't important, it's the only thing that matters" thing, although that's arguably the opposite of the type of DNA that people refer to when they mention Barca DNA West Ham also have "the West Ham way", although I once heard on a podcast someone say that their friend has been a West Ham fan for 40 years, and he doesn't think he's ever seen them play the West Ham way


[deleted]

[удалено]


Terran_it_up

I'm not actually fully sure, I used to think it was attacking football but apparently that's a misconception. Having a bit of a google, it seems to be a combination of things, not limited to working hard, never giving up, and using academy players. Tbh it feels a little abstract, and seems to be generally an idea that there's more to aspire to than just winning games, but also how you achieve it


kappa23

> What is Barca DNA supposed to be? Tiki taka, reliance on La Masia graduates


halal_developer

'You have to pass the ball with a clear intention, with the aim of making it into the opposition’s goal…Barça didn’t do tiki-taka! It’s completely made up!' - Pep Guardiola


jaanedejaanede

Spurs DNA is quite famous on here.


edeneb

Why did Gabriel Jesus want to move to Arsenal? He was guaranteed to win titles at City.


ChiAllTheTime

I think he wants game time to prove he can start for Brazil


NegativeHeli

He wants game time, and to be an important player in his next club.


dltbgyd8731

To start games


PESSl

Because the club told him that he is not in their future plans as they bought Haaland and Alvarez. He started 21 games last season and made 7 appearances as a sub. He had loads of creativity behind him but only ended up scoring 8 goals, 4 of which came against Watford in one game.


gibLight2

he was a benchwarmer for City for 3 years during a time when City didn't have a single starting central forward, hope this helps


MCII7

Yes, but he wants to be coached by Arteta and this was a very good opportunity for him.


bareaclampedlebron

He knows the next big thing


lenzmoserhangover

PL clubs: jack up prices People who are getting robbed at the gate: "well actually this is fine because there is a lot of demand from wealthy people" Yanks: "OH MAH GOD THIS IS GREAT VALUE I SOLD A KIDNEY AND MY FIRST BORN TO ATTEND ONE LITTLE LEAGUE BASEBALL GAME"


TheMonkeyPrince

I mean, you're not wrong. Though funnily enough minor league baseball is one of the few remaining bastions of affordable sports here.


stubblesmcgee

eh, i was able to go O's games regularly for $15-20 when I lived in Bmore a few years back. And DCU tickets were always <$30.


TheMonkeyPrince

That's fair, baseball in general and MLS are decent. Real price insanity comes from the NFL.


bananabread_173

Wow. Luis Suarez to River Plate seems imminent. Will be a great deal for both parties.


Fancy-Past-6831

yeah the luck does play a part in winning CL but the want, determination and ability to not choke as well. The Citeh are the serial chockers make no mistake. The audacity to call out the CL winners as lucky is embarrassing as hell when you yourself got 0 footballing heritage. I bloody hate this "deserving" talk. More often than not you get what you deserve in a football game so Citeh CEO should shut the fuck up


TechnicalPark4522

Woke up to soriano being an idiot, no surprise


me1ina

saka jesus raphinha esr nketiah and martinelli is lowkey better attacking depth than liverpool, united and Chelsea 🫣


PuppyPenetrator

Is it that time of a summer already? Arsenal fans acting like they’re a remotely serious club until it all falls apart again Trust the process mate


PESSl

Saka + Martinelli + Jesus: 25 goals Mo Salah: 23 goals


shbhanda20

these haters will realize next year when Arteta’s offense clicks up another gear. I think people forget how god-awful the offense was for a year and a half, they could barely string together 2 passes. next year its going to low key click…the talent is definitely there, the offensive cohesion and understanding is still at a pretty basic level though.


FlyingDutchman_2604

Have we all not learnt from Mo Salah. It may be that Arsenal perform very well in the league and end up in top 4. But why brag about it even before it happens.


shbhanda20

we could all learn a lot from mo salah


MCII7

I don't know man, whenever people watch Arteta's Arsenal they fall sleep, so so boring.


shbhanda20

i hear you, but the offense is slowly showing signs of life..and for my money, has moved steadily, though slowly, in the right direction. as an arsenal fan i find artetaball as it existed for most of last season to be profoundly less frustrating and demoralizing than the 5 years that came before it…though thats not saying much.


ChiAllTheTime

They got worse during the second half of the season


arseking15

Not liverpool, definitely chelsea


burningbarn8

Nketiah is shit, Martinelli and ESR are decent but nothing special.


AssFingerFuck3000

Can't even tell if you're taking the piss or not. Nketiah is dogshit, Martinelli is mediocre at best and ESR and Saka aren't attackers. Even if none of this was true comparing this set of players to Liverpool's attackers should warrant you a permanent ban on this sub


dltbgyd8731

Ignoring everything else you said, how is saka not an attacker. He was the most advanced player for arsenal


AssFingerFuck3000

https://www.footballcritic.com/bukayo-saka/player-positions/252100 And absolutely not he wasn't Arsenal most advanced player, ever


ScorpiaHP

> esr nketiah They wouldn't make the bench at Liverpool or Chelsea


NegativeHeli

Who is one player that everyone rates highly but you don't?


el_rompe_toyotas-19

Edouard Mendy. He's good but not what some fans make him out to be.


Gargangtuanpp

DeBruyne


bareaclampedlebron

Mason Mount


ibse

Not really sure people rate Havertz but I don't think he's better than Werner and people think Werner is crap.


NegativeHeli

Havertz is not a bad player but people are literally calling him a generational talent, which he is far from it.


jay_alfred_prufrock

Saka. He is a good young player but that's about it. Maybe I watched his off games but I can't see what the hype is about.


gibLight2

ex player- Pirlo current - Ronaldo


DejaHu

Jordan Henderson


NegativeHeli

Even Liverpool fans don't rate Henderson as a player.


BludFlairUpFam

Not rating Henderson is not a strange opinion at all, a lot of people have never rated him


Hour-Ad-1423

Neymar- great talent but inconsistent


NegativeHeli

Who comes to your mind when you hear this description? "Good player but doesn't fit in his team's system."


bareaclampedlebron

Cristiano Ronaldo


ScorpiaHP

Ziyech


cantsleep1112

Dybala


mountainsky9

Lukaku


MJ9695

I never seen a club make excuses about not winning the CL like Man City and discrediting the CL, from Top to Bottom Dont know if its just cope, but its pathetic and small club mentality


gibLight2

Absolutely spot on about the luck factor involved in winning CL, so many teams win it who don't even win their domestic league. Chelsea won it in 2012 and finished 6th in PL, unless the format of CL changes it will never be considered a pioneer competition at least for PL teams.


SpudsMcGugan

they should have beat madrid. they had the lead late in the game. that’s not unlucky


lagaryes

He’s right about Real Madrid and he’s right about luck. Still shouldn’t have said it though. Just comes off as groveling.


celigodtko

> He’s right about Real Madrid You are saying Real Madrid didnt deserved the UCL ??????


MrEnganche

No. Fuck Madrid.


celigodtko

Jelly


gibLight2

Real Madrid deserved to win CL, the point is being made is that luck plays so much part in winning CL a competition many football fans consider the most prestigious.


lagaryes

I’m saying Real Madrid were outplayed in just about every stage and managed to win anyway. Not really saying they didn’t deserve it, it’s a credit to their resourcefulness and their attitude, and certainly a little bit of good fortune just like any winner of a knockout competition needs.


MathematicianEasy491

Luck plays a significant part in winning the cl .He ain't wrong


BillehBear

Only part of it he's wrong about is him saying Real deserved to lose their games Without that the statement wouldn't have looked as bad


MJ9695

Luck plays a part in winning anything in any sport, excuses gotta stop for this club


BillehBear

You're ignoring the significant part about it Luck plays a much larger factor in knockout tournaments than it does in league games, that's just by nature how they work Nobody says it doesn't play a part in anything else, just that it's a bigger factor when it comes to knockout tournaments


ankitm1

Luck plays a larger factor in league wins too. Infact you dont even need to defeat your competitors to win a league title, just drawing with them and defeating others is good enough for you to win. Then again, when you drop points, there is a chance that luck-wise you get a second chance to comeback, and your nearest competitors drops points too, out of the blue. What is more lucky, a team driving their own luck, or some other teams dropping points in winnable games without your interference, thus giving you a lead that proves to be handy later in the season


BillehBear

You're literally missing the point, I'm not saying luck doesnt help across the sport Luck has more chance playing a part over 7 games than it does 38


ankitm1

Many league titles are luckier than they get credit for. Managers want to win leagues because it shows that they have the ability to build a large squad, and keep everyone motivated, which is difficult. But hell, many a times league wins are decided based on a freak stroke of luck not at all in the title-winning teams control. There are more chances to those happening over 38 games than just 7. Leagues give a larger chance of comeback than cup wins. If a stroke of luck is 50:50, you are as likely to encounter a bad day in league as you would get a lucky day. Cups have no second chances, no redos. That makes it tougher to win. League titles measure endurance and durability over 9 months, while cup titles measure which teams can get results without not being at their best. It's not luck, but attributed to it far too much, especially when a pundit's favorite team loses.


PuppyPenetrator

All of life is significantly affected by luck. You don’t go around saying that something is lucky unless it’s incredibly unlikely based on what someone “deserved”, but this Madrid team and Ancelotti have very clearly proven that they are just good enough to win. Anyone even trying to suggest that luck was an extra big factor is either coping or is just completely out of touch It was a pathetic comment, no question


BillehBear

You realise I'm not saying they were lucky right? Just that luck plays a larger factor in knockout tournaments than it does league games Common sense that luck can help/fuck you more and be a bigger factor across 7 games than it can 38. One mistake/shit moment and you're out, whereas for league you can be poor for the first or a games and still recover


halal_developer

Any knockout tournament requires a lot of luck unless it's a best of 7 like in the NBA, which also generates more entertainment. In the league, all of this gets averaged out and the best team wins. This can become boring for some people but it is clearly the superior format objectively speaking Madrid finished third in 13/14, second in 15/16, and 17 points behind in 17/18(third again). They still won the Champions League in all of those seasons.


LampseederBroDude51

> second in 15/16 Our league season back then needed an asterisk next to it.


MJ9695

How come no one says WC winners are lucky?? Everything requires luck anyways but City choking last second was not luck


halal_developer

Rodrygo's second goal was lucky. It got deflected from Asensio when Carvajal crossed it. He even publicly said he didn't see the ball coming. We have seen 3 super teams in the last 3 world cups who have deservedly won it. But Argentina wins it if Higuain scored from that Kroos' error or Netherlands wins if Robben scored his 1v1. And even if they did, Germany and Spain were still the better sides.


Fancy-Past-6831

Truly


phoenixazsucks

Well tbf they are a small club Edit: downvoting me doesn’t make me wrong


kyleorton

Stan Kroenke has now won two major trophies in 2022, both of them on the other side of the Atlantic lmao. Hopefully for Arsenal supporters he’ll now maybe put more focus towards them, cause lord knows the Nuggets are perma-destined for mediocrity.


arseking15

The nuggets could have been good, but for the jamal murray injury, super unlucky


YoungDan23

I think it has more to do with the American sports model being entirely different to the one in Europe. It's pretty easy to win eventually in American sports - you normally just have to be really bad for a few years and then you get good players. We see it with United and Arsenal and wouldn't be surprised if we start to see it with Chelsea - being a good owner of a team in the US doesn't automatically translate to being a good owner in England.


Khanspiracy75

There are lots of teams in American Sports leagues who are bad for long periods of time but only ever become playoff contenders and dont win shit in the end, its not as easy as just shit the bed for a few years and then just get all the best new talent and win.


Own_Solution4356

He has put a lot more into us now that he has full ownership, but his son is more involved with us than he is


[deleted]

[удалено]


[deleted]

[удалено]


[deleted]

[удалено]


GreatSpaniard

Stan Kroenke won the NFL and NHL Championships in a 5 month span...


arseking15

And the national lacross league


Real_Madrid007

Heard the dude presenting the Stanley Cup say “the most sought after trophy in team sports” and i fuckin burst out laughing


seresean

I don't even watch hockey, but the Stanley Cup is probably the GOAT trophy. I mean, just fucking look at it.


YoungDan23

IIRC it is the oldest trophy in the world, dating back to the 1920s. And in any of the trophy rating things you see online, it's first or 2nd for team sports with the FA Cup.


Conankun66

americans, man. americans.


Chiswell123

It absolutely is.


themmchanges

Over the world cup? There’s absolutely no way


mountainsky9

By what metric do you think


lagaryes

Usually when they say that they mean within the context of the physical sacrifice to win it. There’s no more physically difficult trophy to win in mainstream sports. Every year it comes out after the fact that guys have been playing with fucking insane injuries. Andre Burakovsky was skating on a broken ankle in the playoffs and had a broken thumb too. I mean what the fuck?


Chiswell123

By the *numbers* hockey and golf are the two most challenging sports to play in the world. 4 rounds of Best of 7 series. Hitting, fighting, playing through bad injuries and everything between. It’s the toughest team trophy to win in sport imo.


EyeSpyGuy

Just seems pandering. He’ll probably say the same if the nuggets ever win


LargemouthBrass

To be fair it is the best trophy.


Real_Madrid007

It is pretty cool lookin fs


[deleted]

He will have to settle for the EFL Championship in 2 years time 👍


Own_Solution4356

job


[deleted]

[удалено]


Own_Solution4356

guess that’s something the 2 of you have in common then


de_coherence

Would surpass the trophy count of tottenhams best ever player, and the premier leagues greatest attacking duo with that so you’ve gotta respect it


[deleted]

Greaves and Drogba/Lampard don't care for the Championship I'm afraid.


Darkjolly

Where my dominicans at?!?! Our U20 just knocked out el salvador 5-4 History was made


TheMonkeyPrince

Damn really? Well done, that was a good El Salvador team from what I could tell


Darkjolly

If we can beat jamaica ( and we definitely can) it will be our first ever world cup of anything football/soccer. Huge moment for the sport here.


Cules2003

https://www.reddit.com/r/classicsoccer/comments/vlccyp/emmanuel_sanon_of_haiti_score_against_italy_at/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf TIL that Haiti have qualified for a World Cup, how cool is that


SpencaDubyaKimballer

If Ajax sell Jurrien timber will Perr Schuurs become one of the starting defenders next season?


Froggiefied

I think we would try to get a replacement to be honest


Akshath321

never really paid a lot of attention to pre season football until last season when it was mostly the second team and the youth players that got their chances because of the euros and that was sooooo much fun to watch, because the kids had been playing with each other for so long, they complemented each other incredibly well, really cool to watch


randymagnum433

Paraguay were Copa America Runners-up in 2011 despite not winning any of their 6 games. PSV won the 1988 European Cup despite not winning a game in the Quarter-finals, semi-finals or final.


Princecoyote

Adding Portugal won Euros 2016 with only one win in regular time. That was a 2-0 win over Wales in the semi-final. All three group stage matches were draws, and the other matches were either wins in extra time or advancing on penalties.


PreachinMyOwnFuneral

PSV 1988 was always my go to case for the abolishment of the away goal rule


randymagnum433

Penalties at the very least force you to be better than your opponent at something, but it was always a joke to 'beat' a team just on two draws & the away goal rule.


NegativeHeli

What is one team that your club ALWAYS slips up against for some stupid reason? As an Arsenal fan, I'll say Crystal Palace. 1 point from both games last season, 5 goals conceded, 2 tap-in goals scored against them, and we always make Zaha look like prime Ronaldinho. That loss at Selhurst Park also marked the start of our disastrous second half of the season. We also had a history of losing the CL spot due to a Mustafi disasterclass, also against Palace.


kappa23

Used to be Sassuolo and Atalanta but Pioli has changed that to some extent


McGrathLegend

Bournemouth, I can't stand Bournemouth.


bpjker

United Vs Relegation Clubs or any clubs tbf


NoodleinTexas

Spurs lmfao


NegativeHeli

City fan? I can't recognise the logo on your flair


NoodleinTexas

Yea it’s the ecua flair I’m Ecuadorian


ZurdoMaster

Was it changed recently? I didn't recognize it. Looks good


NoodleinTexas

Yes around 2 years ago it was changed


LampseederBroDude51

Lately it’s been Levante but previously it was Valencia, specifically at the Bernabéu. I think we went 7 years without beating them at home


Lyrical_Forklift

While Chelsea are a very good side I never really feel we play to our ability against them.


_LebronsHairline_

I think their setup matches up very well against us, but yea I agree with you.


TheConundrum98

I honestly feel it goes both way,ever since 2005


NegativeHeli

I think that's very true.


arseking15

Yeap theyve basically ruined us twice in cl run ins


PESSl

Brighton as well.


arseking15

Ya god damn


NegativeHeli

Zaha always does so well against us. Plus Gallagher turned into prime Xavi against us. The whole Palace team turns into prime Barca vs us. Also, don't forget that we will visit Selhurst Park for our first match of the season. \*PTSD intensifies\*


Own_Solution4356

I think the match will be really interesting, and will somewhat make or break our season. We’ve all seen how the team has crumbled under pressure, and the pressure will definitely be on. Away from home, first game of the season so everyone is watching, against a known bogey team


PESSl

An away london derby as your first match of the season is rough, especially considering it is an opponent Arsenal struggles with. Highly doubt it will make or break your season though. The next 7 oppositions are not any of the top 4 teams.


Own_Solution4356

I don’t think it will actually make or break our season,but i think it will show where we are mentally. This season, we’ve been mentality midgets and crumbled under pressure. I f we want to make a deep Europa run and get top 4, that has to stop


NegativeHeli

Hope we break that curse.


NegativeHeli

It will also show if our team is ready, and how Jesus performs for us.


LuisFilipeVieira

Very interesting, Celtic has until this Thursday to trigger Jota's €7.5M buy option and we haven't heard anything from them so far


kyleorton

I probably only watched 10-15 Celtic matches, but wasn’t he mostly very good for them last season? Pretty good g/a return if I remember correctly. Seems like not a whole lot of money for a club like Celtic, especially considering he’s a young, developable, already promising player, and that they could (IMO, depending on the group ofc) have a shot at making it out of the group.


LuisFilipeVieira

Yh, no idea why they didn't triggered it yet, but they still have the time to do it tbf


kplo

Nicolas Figal is ultra ass. Fuck Inter Miami for selling us this bum.


dumb_shitposter

how'd arthur cabral end up doing for fiorentina? there was a bit of hype around that guy wasn't there?


Sputniki

Scored 2 in 16. Not great but to be fair he came in January and didn’t have a preseason with them


AnnieIWillKnow

Imagine if /r/soccer and Twitter had been around on the day of the 1998 World Cup Final, when all the rumours broke of Ronaldo being taken unwell and would miss the final... only to start at the last minute. It's still unclear exactly what happened - some say he had a seizure, some even say he was poisoned by the French... but with how the online football media is these days there would have been hundreds of rumours and loads of conflicting information. The new queue would be carnage, nobody would know what to believe...


Flamengo81-19

If people knew what happened in that World Cup they would be nauseated. >but with how the online football media is these days there would have been hundreds of rumours and loads of conflicting information. Just joking because what I said is the start of a viral email that every Brazilian who had access to Internet between 1998-2005 has read. https://old.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/qg29ly/change_my_view/hi3kk7m/?context=999 for my attempt at translating that


reddit1902

Back in the day the story was that he had a nervous breakdown before the final.


Flamengo81-19

Not a nervous breakdown. He had a convulsion Edmundo talking about it: >"The room was shared. Doriva and I shared the room with him. I got up, looked over and saw Ronaldo having a convulsion. When I saw Ronaldo getting sick, I went screaming through the corridors. Purple, tongue hanging out, snorting. When the snack time comes, before the game, everyone knows that Ronaldo had the seizure, except him. They uncurled his tongue, gave him a bath and put him to sleep. He wasn't conscious," he said. >"He sits down, everyone is tense, he gets a piece of cake, an orange juice, I remember as if it were today. He was on the phone. Leonardo says: 'This guy isn't right, he's going to die on the pitch'. He was strange, he was playful, happy and vain. The technical staff said that he wouldn't play, that he would go to the doctor. They convinced him to have the exams done in a hospital in Paris. Zagallo [Brazil NT coach in 98] tells that Amarildo substituted Pelé [in 1962]. Today I received a letter saying that Edmundo is going to decide the game. " Later on they decided to start Ronaldo anyway


Nut-King-Call

I am a firm believer that the 2002 World Cup would have forced r/soccer to go private or even disappear out of the amount of hate speech.


Teantis

I dated a Korean girl in 2003 in college and I casually mentioned SK never deserved to go to that semi and she didn't speak to me for 3 weeks.


CoverEyesInHorror

I remember watching videos about it on YouTube in 2010 and people being openly and casually racist towards Asians in the comments sections.


Nut-King-Call

Not only that. There were some other events that would have been the cause of hatred, not necessarily racism: - The game Mexico - United States in the Round of 16. - Both Brazil - Turkey games. Yes, there were two. One of them in Semifinals. - The failures of France and Argentina. - The Roy Keane incident, whatever that was. - England - Brazil and the Seaman blunder. Probably I'm missing something else that didn't involved Asians.


GreatSpaniard

England vs Argentina would have been a disaster as well