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FatWalcott

Fabinho just ruined any chances of Mbappe signing him for PSG smh.


Eibermann

He still has a chance if he changed his name to Al fabin


dirkaka

Fabin Nooh


MikeBruski

Al-Fahad bin Yahoo


running_demon

>Nooh that's noah in arabic so your getting closer, also bin is there, just need a play on Fa


LilHalwaPoori

Maybe Mbappe likes a bit of spunk..


EezoManiac

Suddenly Qatar doesn't want him


TomShoe

Too bad he owns Qatar now :/


caesar____augustus

Mbappe defeats homophobia in Qatar. 4D chess.


kubick123

Conmebol has, altitude, extreme heat, the shithousery, long trips, tougher games in physical terms. It ain't easy man.


asusvegetable1

Not to mention... RANDOM DOG INVASION 🐕


mummy__napkin

um cachorro dentro do campo!!!!


ben-hur-hur

guau guau


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CarnivalSorts

I do enjoy a good flock of geese deciding to settle down.


Andrex316

C A R A M E L O


Kurosawasuperfan

🥰


Cornelius_Poindexter

El Firulais!


bplsilva

Playing in Barranquilla at 3pm lol


LordVelaryon

with the Colombian FA turning off the AC and even the water of the away dressing room at half-time 🥵


scrps93

I don't mean to excuse our terribly corrupt FA, but to play devil's advocate, Barranquilla frequently experiences power outages. The city changed power providers a few years ago, but back in the day it actually was a common occurrence Mind you, cutting the power of the opposition dressing room is definitely not above our shitty FA


MarblesinthePan

I read about this, there was an issue with the water and they feared making the away team ill. They sent Carlos Bilardo in with water bottles.


XboxJon82

Which were spiked with viagra


MarblesinthePan

Even with Viagra Brasil still had no penetration.


GalaxianEX

And water the pitch as close to the match as possible. I wouldn’t be surprised if Muslera still has nightmares.


megablaster733

Don't know why i read that in yung filly's voice


PensiveinNJ

Watching the Euros and watching the Copa America it becomes very easy to see the difference. The level of physicality and just absolute butcher fests in Conmebol tournaments make it seem almost a different sport.


justnivek

people forget how homogenous UEFA is, when a trend occurs all teams in Europe try to follow it and the trend right now is techincal expression every team wants to play on the ground even if they cant. In CONMEBOL and CONCAAF teams only care about winning and w.e it takes. Colombia wont try to play the same way you play if you have better players to play technically


luh_shmunky

that’s very true about UEFA. When managers started winning with 4-3-3, teams slowly started transitioning to that. Now over the past couple seasons, we see teams start playing variations of 3/5 at the back.


strawberrystation

A big reason we won the league was coming up against 13-14 possession based teams that had no idea how to cope with a strong defence, pacy counter and clinical strikers. Now we're a possession-based team that has no idea how to cope with strong defences, a pacy counter and clinical strikers. It's kind of depressing.


Carlitos96

Yeah the intensity isn’t the same. Conmebol and Concacaf players are even willing to start throwing hands to take a W, never mind a trophy home. UEFA has a higher level of play, but nowhere near the drama or random factor that the other 2 confederation.


bihari_baller

>Watching the Euros and watching the Copa America it becomes very easy to see the difference. South American fans just seem so much more passionate. Copa Libertadores games are crazy with the flairs, jumping around, chants, noise, etc.


tsigalko11

>shithousery^999999999


Annotator

Europeans have no idea how tough it is to face Bolivia in La Paz, Ecuador in Quito or Colombia in Bogotá. Bolivia won Argentina 6-1. Let me repeat it: BOLIVIA 6 (SIX) - 1 ARGENTINA I guess Germany or ~~Italy~~ Spain would qualify very often in SA without a problem, but I think it's tougher than European qualifiers in general. Chile, Ecuador, Uruguay, Colombia, Paraguay often have strong sides that are better than, let's say, Finland, Serbia, Greece, Bulgaria, Hungary or Denmark. And, on top of that, face all the geographical/meteorological adversities of the continent when playing away. You can play in the jungle or above 2,800m or in the desert or in 35ºC+ weather. It's insane.


xilimpin

Seems to me like European qualifiers are easier for the top teams, but more difficult for mid-tier teams


Yung2112

mid-tier teams are very often subjected to a top 10 nation in their group. They gotta hope for a banana peel slip up from them or to win 2 all-or-nothing games after finishing 2nd No argument on my end, I agree.


LusoAustralian

If you have 2 good teams in a group in Europe then Europe is so much harder as only one directly qualifies and one poor result against your only real opponents can invalidate winning 100% of your remaining games. CONMEBOL gives many more second chances to lose but has a higher average level of opponent in the group. So it's so much easier for top teams in CONMEBOL as they will always be in the top 4 but middle teams is much harder. Compared to Europe where teams like Italy, Netherlands and so on have all missed recent world cups.


wolf1820

La Paz sounds insanely hard to play it. American teams talk about Denver being tough to play at a mile high thats twice as high up. Im surprised a city that large exists at that altitude. Ive been up there in the Rockies in Colorado at that elevation but its all small towns I can't imagine a large city.


wanwancito

Running at 3000+ meters is a horrible thing, You feel something like a hungover and your head exploiding. Not so many years ago, argentinians literally puke at halftime when they had to play in la paz.


RadioactiveBooger

Not only did they puke, they had oxygen masks


wolf1820

You see the oxygen masks on NFL sidelines at half the altitude. I got kinda winded at 10,000 feet just walking around a cabin actually running at that height would kill me.


LarsP

The native population of the high Andean plateu have mutations to live at altitude, as do Tibetans.


NoesHowe2Spel

The other USMNT "fortress" is Columbus/Minneapolis in the winter against the Caribbean and Central American sides.


wolf1820

Minneapolis kinda bit us in the ass with the weather a bit TOO much of a frozen fortress.


aj6787

They also don’t have superpowers like San Marino, so checkmate.


tbdjdb2

Conmebol games starting at 00:30 here are always bangers


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Far-Confection-1631

At what altitude do unacclimated players start to struggle with the altitude? US National Team players struggle greatly in Mexico City which is at 2,216m; yet, seem to be only slightly affected in Denver at 1,609m (already higher than any major city in Europe). In South America you also have stadiums in Quito (2,850m) and Bogota (2,619m) sandwiched between the two previously listed. Guessing anything above 2,000m would be tough on European players.


Mild_Anal_Seepage

It's not just the altitude in Mexico City that's the problem, the air quality from the pollution is much worse than a place like Denver


FreakyMcJay

Can absolutely confirm. As a bunch of foreign students we had the brilliant idea of participating in a half marathon in Mexico City a few years ago. Took me 20 minutes over my usual time to finish the race.


fred_fotch

What was your time?


FreakyMcJay

2:02 which really hurt my pride tbh\^\^ In my defense I want to add that we weren't living in Mexico City but somewhere much lower elsewhere in the country. So we weren't used to the air at all.


fred_fotch

Hahah yes I could imagine. 1:42 to 2:02 is a huge difference! Even a few minutes is a lot at that pace. If it were 2:42 to 3:02 or something then it wouldn't have been as big relatively speaking.


WightWhale

Mexicos home field advantage has dropped as the pollution has improved in the city. The double whammy used to be too much but now teams can actually win games in Mexico.


FreedomByFire

The air quality in denver also sucks. Yes not as bad as Mexico city but we have fires every year now all summer long, sometimes it's hard to go outside.


decklund

I can't comment on football but altitude is an important factor in cycling and once it gets above about 1700-1800 metres is when you see the altitude really become a factor in performance


ste_mc_efc

As a fat english man i felt no difference going to 2500m in south america, i think maybe because i was so unfit i wasn't running enough for it to factor in much and i was holding back worried about the altitude on top of that. but after playing there a few times a week for 6 months and getting in more respectable shape, the first game back in england I felt like I was suddenly on Peds or something so it definitely makes a big difference around that level.


koalawhiskey

Playing in Quito usually is quite hard for South Americans teams. When LDU matches their altitude with a good team, they are almost unbeatable there. It's funny, but Bogotá doesn't have the fame of being a difficult place to play in because of the altitude, even if they had decent clubs such as Santa Fé and Millionarios.


literallyarandomname

Define struggle. In my experience people start to notice that they are faster than usual out of breath between 1500 m and 3000 m of elevation. Of course, the more you do in terms of physical activity (that requires stamina) the faster you notice it. For example, most people notice it later when they are downhill skiing than when they are walking up the mountain. Since football players tend to run a lot during a match I would guess for them it‘s closer to 1500 m. Source: Trust me bro. But also I occasionally do hiking/running in the alps.


t1lt1990

I mean South American teams struggle there so Europe's got no chance.


Yavin87

Except Switzerland maybe? xD


kal1097

They have a lot of mountains and some high peaks, but I don't think most of Switzerland is very high elevation. A quick search showed it's average elevation is about 1350 meters


Far-Confection-1631

Yeah, plus cities like Geneva, Zurich and Basel are only at 375m, 408m and 261m respectively.


decklund

Highest capital city in Europe is actually Madrid at only 700 metres, I think that's about as high as you'd play in Euro qualifiers


emkael

Dinamo stadium in Tbilisi is at around 1000m.


Julenizzen

And thats barely Europe. It basically on the border of Europe and Asia.


kylekorverforthreeee

Andorra's stadium is at 1000 metres, Madrid is the second highest capital after Andorra la Vella


dave1992

And that is only a third of Bolivia's stadium.


vitorgrs

That's basically standard elevation for Brazil (and I think most part of South America). Only Pampas region is really plane. São Paulo to the coast is only 1 hour. And yet, São Paulo has 800 meter elevation.


ThePr1d3

Yeah, you don't just build big cities on top of the highest mountains lol


aresman

we're built different


Doczera

Unless, of course, you are part of the Incas or you are Spanish and found a mine.


UCLAlex

All the major cities are below 500 meters so not high enough to make a difference. A lot of teams go higher into the mountains for training camps and shit but there aren’t any stadiums there


namefagIsTaken

The French NT has training camps in Tignes (1810 m)


LeStiqsue

We won the FIFA Club World Cup the same year we absolutely pissed the Premier League, and Flamengo gave us the hardest time of any team I remember that year. They took us to extra time, and but for a miracle moment of Bobby Firmino filth, we take that game to pens. Can confirm, South American football is no fucking joke.


TheGhoulKhz

this year's CWC also went to ET too


Beanontoast69

This turtle causing too much noise


HomelessGunner

Cowabunga, mother!


ramithrower

Mbappe stirring up all sorts of shit


rocket_randall

I felt he was trying to build a platform to step in when Messi and Ronaldo retire or leave Europe, but it seems he also wants to be the next Zlatan. If that doesn't work out he can be the next Joey Barton; answering interview questions in French but with an English accent.


Salted-Earth189

>answering interview questions in French but with an English accent. LMAO


RyVsWorld

I must have missed this interview.


rocket_randall

https://youtu.be/ZgVZLuJ6Skk


Gweedoke

Destroying his own reputation speed run any %.


jabs1042

Boi sure is fast


DanBurnsWindmill

Really starting to dislike him tbh


Not_Not_John_Stamos

Subscribe


MyMindWasAFortress

Smh Fabinho has no idea about playing Andorra away


thet-bes

Faroe Islands


WalterFalter

Faroe Islands seems easy unless you're Austria or Greece


kostasnotkolsas

Imagine sacking Fernando Santos after pushing you to the 16 best teams in the world because of Corruption


da_frickin_oOf

at this point you even might add Italy because after that North Macedonia match I don't have trust in them anymore


Neumean

In November.


Shchepo

Brasil would probably get lost at sea trying to find Faroe Islands.


battlefielder696

San Marino >>


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Playing in Svangaskarð on a rainy afternoon


grejt_

Well, Lewandowski would like to have a word haha


Shaydarol

I want to see the Netherlands NT playing at La Paz.


Reimiro

Sea level vs. in the gods…


AnalysisForThee

*Below sea level vs standing atop the birds


Talloch

No problemo. Most of our squad have played matches in Kerkrade, in the south of the Netherlands, which is at a staggering elevation of 155m. They are, like Bolivia, known for having a home advantage due to this.


Gweedoke

Visiting Kerkrade also feels like suffocating yourself.


Rickcampbell98

Why would you want to see 11 grown men suffer in such a way lmao.


El_Giganto

We could play some of the kids!


Teuvo404

We’ll take them at home, their knees will crumble by the pressure they will experience playing below sea level. 💪🏻


angiotensin2

Bolivia is tough


GonzaloR87

Yea playing at 3400 meters elevation is no joke. Especially since most of the Bolivian National Team is made up of local players that are used to it.


PensiveinNJ

Bolivia is generally not a good team most cycles at all, but still manage to take points from the big teams fairly regularly at home. That altitude is no joke.


EnanoMaldito

They are a horrible NT aside from the god Moreno Martins. Yet everyone fears Bolivia away


Jetzu

"Enjoy Bolivia away, cunt." - Mbappe to Fabinho, probably.


nch_mrls

hey we may be awful but at times we're just bad


EnanoMaldito

for what it's worth, I actually wanted you to go to 2022 WC


Malvinas1820

The disrespect to the Boca Juniors legend Carlos Lampe.


18AndresS

Huachipato legend too


RRRPablo

Carlos "Rolling in the field" Lampe.


benjaal98

Lampeuer playing against Chile also.


BeIIic

Haven’t they not lost at home for years or something?


nch_mrls

Nah we lose often


Yung2112

They lost vs chile this February


eggmoose5

Can Mboopi do it on a humid CONCACAF night in Honduras though?


Clever_Word_Play

w/ CONCACAF refs*


theonlydiego1

CONCACAF after dark ^TM


pekingsewer

Panama, Costa Rica, Jamaica...always dread those away matches lol


vadapaav

You tell him fab, go and clatter him in the CL final. Wait


FannyStroker420

I don’t think Fabinho is gonna have to worry about tackling Mbappe in CL finals anytime soon 😂


henkizh

Maybe if Mbappe appoints Zidane as PSG manager.


Mirabem

Zidane doesn't take PayPal.


PM_SOME_SMILES

Unrelated question, how do you put the Liverpool crest in a cart for your flair?


vadapaav

https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/uxh30p/psa_we_have_enabled_special_flairs_for_the/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share


spartyboyyo

Fabinho just doesn't understand the rigors of the Uber Eats League


habdragon08

Fabinho won Ligue 1 with Monaco did he not?


serduncanthebold

That was before it started Uber Eating.


GrossenCharakter

Yeah they were just conforaming till then


KristoffersonFox

I love the way you've put this


themfeelswhen

Yeah he couldn't handle the quality of French league so he decided to move to Liverpool to make it easy for himself.


sliversniper

That was not Uber Eats™ League. Don't compare that passed it farmer to passed it farmer's league to Uber Eats™ League featuring President Mbappe.


Regit_Jo

Wasn’t he teammates with Mbappe?


ThePr1d3

Yep, which is why he answers him ig. Insane team they had : Subasic, Glik Jemerson Sidibé Benjamin Mendy, Tiémoué Bakayoko Fabinho, Lemar Bernardo Silva, Mbappé Falcao. Went to the UCL semis too


ThePr1d3

Ironically, happens to quite a few people. Expecting Ligue 1 to be a walk in the park when the physicality and defending is pretty intense. Not Fabinho though, he won Ligue 1 with THAT Monaco team. You know, the one that went Subasic, Glik Jemerson Sidibé Benjamin Mendy, Tiémoué Bakayoko Fabinho, Lemar Bernardo Silva, Mbappé Falcao


nch_mrls

I'm from La Paz and I gotta say reading through all this thread and seeing my city named so much warms my heart ❣️


ineververify

Also need to bring up that salteñas are fucking crack. Who cares about oxygen when salteñas exist


Yearlaren

And I'm from Buenos Aires and I say kill 'em all!


Hoodxd

Smh Fab, let me see Brazil against San Marino first before you speak


TheLeOeL

Dani Alves would score against them easy and then celebrate with his hands to his ears


idosade

He isn't allowed to, that's reserved only to the very best


_DrShrimpPuertoRico_

Absolutely!


Eleven918

Mbappe's comment that prompted this reply: “Argentina and Brazil don’t play games at a high level to get to the World Cup. Football is not as advanced as it is in Europe and it shows when you watch the last World Cups.”


WalkingCloud

>Argentina and Brazil don’t play games at a high level I guess that’s why he mentioned Bolivia specifically then


TuckBigFech

Bolivia is the highest level of football in the world


Pollomonteros

Bolivia at home vs Bolivia away is literally that buff doge meme


OG-Bahiense

Its funny that when we (Argentina) had a really problematic team with lot of issues inside and out the pitch (a team with ego problems, no preparation and no playstyle), we still make a decent match against them in the world cup they end up winning. He also forgets that our players are almost all in europe. They dont forget how to play football.


celigodtko

Mbappe speed running his reputation. I wondered how his comments about SA teams went unnoticed.


vadapaav

>speed running Speed ruining


Daniiiiii

It was right there as well....


Midnight_Debauchery

Sewey.


Eleven918

GAS GAS GAS.....


AnalysisForThee

What did Mbappe say exactly?


KneeDeepInTheDead

“South American football is not that advanced compared to Europe. That’s why, in the last World Cups, europeans are always winning.”


L-Freeze

Mbappe my man you played your qualifiers against Kazakhstan, Finland, Bosnia and Ukraine what the fuck are you on about


Rickcampbell98

The brudda needs a humbling, I want France to get the champion curse and see his face.


bananabread_173

I thought his streak of coming across as an egoistic knob would end after the Euro penalty miss and France getting knocked out but we've only come so far....


PensiveinNJ

lol, literally 1 world cup cycle was down for South America and now he talks like this. Brazil were semi-finalists and Argentina finalists in 2014. This dude became the emperor of Paris and suddenly thinks he should comment on everything.


ThePr1d3

I'm sorry but he's not the emperor of Paris. He is the emperor of France. (funnily enough, he may get as popular as Napoléon lol)


AnalysisForThee

*facepalms* Yeah, that is pretty dumb.


loves_eating_ass

Can’t wait to see Mbappe get twofooted now against Argentina


sreesid

Romero is rubbing his palms as we speak.


Kunstfr

It lacks a bit of context though. > Brazil are a good team. Afterwards, there are quite a few European teams too. The advantage that we Europeans have is that we play among ourselves with high-level matches all the time, such as the Nations League for example. When we arrive at the World Cup, we are ready where Brazil and Argentina do not have this level in South America. Football is not as advanced as in Europe. That's why in the last World Cups, it's always the Europeans who win.


staedtler2018

The advantage we Europeans have is a tournament that was invented yesterday and that 90% of people still don't understand how it works.


AnalysisForThee

Even with that context it's still a pretty dumb take. While personally I rate the top European teams on average higher then the top SA teams, it's not that big a gap. Mbappe is vastly underestimating South American nations aside from Brazil and Argentina.


thet-bes

The fact that the Nations League is a big issue for CONMEBOL teams (and everyone else in fact) as they can only play among themselves and rarely (if not never) play against an UEFA team is something that is pretty obvious for all the stakeholders. That's the reason why there is even a discussion on CONMEBOL teams joining the Nations League.


CarlSK777

Let's have the same number of teams from both associations for a World Cup and let's see if European teams dominate the semi finals again. I wonder if the expanded World Cup in 2026 will lead to more CONMEBOL representation in the semi finals.


Yavin87

and also "more advanced" are kinda a bad choice of words.


matbezlima

South America doesn't have as many strong teams as Europe, but the worst south-american teams are still better than the worst european teams.


lambomrclago

Because Europe has far more countries and the worst ones are literally tiny?


Aldo_Novo

also, the worst countries at football in South America play in CONCACAF


Enriador

The Guianas are Caribbean islands that happen to be on the South American landmass, to be frank.


bihari_baller

>but the worst south-american teams are still better than the worst european teams. Agree. Can't recall the worst South American teams being made up of players who actually have other jobs, like some of the smaller European sides do.


matbezlima

Even a bad team like Bolivia becomes though because of the insane altitude.


kucafoia69

Even if the quality is lower in SA, European soccer wouldn't be what it is if their clubs didn't scout South American teams. Look at the biggest teams in Europe, nearly all of them have a South American in a key position. Without Santos and Flamengo then there's no Rodrygo nor Vini Jr saving Real Madrid's asses to reach the final.


andysenn

They look down at us but can't live without us


delpieron

Hey, man. We don't look down on you. South American football is amazing


arc1261

Conmebol also gets far more of their teams to qualify as a percentage of entrants - 4.5 of 10 go to the World Cup (4 direct and one playoffs) whereas UEFA only sends 13 of 55 entrants to the World Cup. Its 45% of entrants compared to 24%


matbezlima

Europe has far countries though.


Ndulula

Mbappe is becoming so annoying


Dsalgueiro

Bolivia in La Paz is one of the most difficult games any team can face. This is no exaggeration. When Brazil won the game there 4-0 this year, the reaction of almost any Brazilian was: WTF? It had been 25 years since we had won there.


Kante_Conte

World cup is a knock out tournament. Having more teams from a continent means higher likelihood to win. If anything, SA have overachieved in WC count in comparison to number of teams that go to the WC.


agus_go

Watch France get eliminated by Brazil or Ecuador lol


joaumboladaum422

saying brazil and equador is like saying man city and watford


sholista

Both Mbappe and Fabinho are right. South America is not at the same level as Europe (only 3 of the last 16 WC semi-finalists from SA) but playing those CONMEBOL qualifiers isn't easy and Brazil and Argentina would comfortably qualify in Europe.


Michael90_Denmark

It’s really a unfair comparison really. It has to do that Europe just have more countries and therefore will be represented in the WC semis more often. Europe has more bigger teams but they also have many more smaller teams. Europe probably have 3-4x as many countries as SA


Starfinger10

Fab speaks facts


angiotensin2

Factos


Kurosawasuperfan

👍👀


plainranger

CONMEBOL qualifications are by far the most complicated about quality, yes european don't allow many mistakes but you don't get to face Brasil, Argentina and Uruguay so often also if Colombia, Peru and Ecuador get their sh*t together time to time they're pretty good, plus playing in La Paz is a physical challenge that you don't get in Europe or North America.


thecoldplayer_cc

I would love to see France and Mbappé face Peru in their stadium at 3000 meters above sea level...


mapleleafMeltdown

True af. Both CONMEBOL and CONCACAF have travel and pitch horrors that dont exist in Europe. Not to mention the home fans and what they can get up to. Quality is not always the deciding factor.


RadioactiveBooger

CONCACAF has horrendous pitches, not CONMEBOL. CONMEBOL has far more indimidating stadiums, altitude, and the level is of course higher.


Beatlepy93

To be fair we in Conmebol tend to underestimate also Concacaf qualifiers that are also as heated as ours, the main difference in that the average team here is way stronger than there


clutch-cream-run

Facts