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KingRo48

That’s so diverse! Great to see.


KnightsOfCidona

Famously no club ever won it two years in a row.


VTCHannibal

And 2 in 4 years only been done twice.


WalkingCloud

Arsenal came pretty close. Seaman is lucky he got lobbed in 2002 so everyone forgets about it..


flcinusa

Fiorentina came close, won the first (2-legged) final, lost the following final to Atleticocafter a replay Milan came close, lost the following final to Magdeburg Anderlecht came close to 3-in-a-row, lost the following final to Hamburg, then won again the following year Ajax came close, lost the following final to Mechelen Sampdoria inversely came close, lost the year before to Barcelona Parma came close, lost the following final to Arsenal Arsenal came close, lost the following final to Zaragoza PSG came close, lost the following final to Barcelona


TarcFalastur

We came close though. Lost against Chelsea in the semi-finals in 1971 - I believe it was only 0-0 and 1-0 in both legs so we could've easily nicked it on another day, but sadly we've always been terrible when facing English teams in continental competitions.


VoltrefferVick

Ajax won in 1987 and were runners-up in 1988.


Martyrizing

It is, but it wouldn’t be so diverse nowadays.


too_damn_fast

It would be diverse though. In the PL itself no team has won the FA Cup back to back in the last 10 years other than Arsenal. You have Liverpool, Leicester, Chelsea, Wigan, United and City to win it.


Stannis-I-Baratheon

(Psst… yes we have)


lichtmie

Greatest FA Cup team, you will never sing that


FroobingtonSanchez

There was a time (2009-2017) when there 9 different winners in a row here.


-stag5etmt-

We almost made it. Lost to Arsenal in the semis on pens with the final against Hull City *that* would have been some feat..


Biofreak877

Knowing us, we'd have lost against Hull after running that gauntlet


ReneHigitta

It would probably only get teams not qualified to the CL, so I'd imagine it would be even more diverse. Likely looked down upon for that same reason though, so it's probably a good thing they retired it.


XboxJon82

Apart from Barca who seem to be kings of the runners up cup


TheRobinson2018

the real superleague: no new members allowed since 1999.


Boris_Ignatievich

i remember a vague feeling of really enjoying this tournament as a kid, but i'd also be lying if i claimed to remember a single specific thing about it beyond Nayim's lob vs Arsenal


XboxJon82

It was better as the only the championship winning team was in the EC. The UEFA cup could be competitive as hell


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XboxJon82

Haha I read UEFA Cup and all the memories came flooding back. Loved the cup winners cup too but not as competitive as the UEFA cup


Ibra180

The only trophy that matters


KoifishDK

Not as much as winning dritte liga


Version_1

You'll forever be the only Eastern German club with European glory.


hrva1892

I would like for this to come back as proper cup competiton and that all cup winners from Europe participate. One game, no seeding and pots, straight knockout rounds and luck of the draw. Would be great. Not sure where would extra 6 matches be accomodated in the calendar, but would love to see it.


robinho988

Great idea, if they can add 8 games of CL for no reason, they can do this too


StarlordPunk

They should do this instead tbh. Bet it’d make them more money


Tasty_ConeSnail

The Cup Winner’s Cup was a straight knockout tournament, with a preliminary round and no group stage IIRC


GilesCorey12

that’s how all european cups worked


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Top 9 associations would need a bye to the second round so it goes 46 - 23+9 = 32 - 16 - 8 - 4 - 2


hrva1892

No bye guaranteed in my version, just pure luck of the draw. Would be so cool. Imagine winner of Liverpool-Inter playing vs winner of HJK Helsinki-Santa Coloma


DeKosterIsNietDom

If you want straight knockout rounds you need byes in order to reach either 32 or 16 teams. Unless you only let the top 16 or 32 associations participate in the trophy.


hrva1892

Of course you need byes, but it would not be reserved for top teams. No reason why eg Crvena Zvezda woud not get bye into second round while eg Barcelona and PSG have to play round one. Thats why I sad unrestricted, pure luck of the draw.


Deluxefish

This sounds amazing, however in reality most people will then simply not care about this tournament. It's the reason the cup winners' cup doesn't exist anymore.


BipartizanBelgrade

The difference between that and the Europa/Europa Conference knockout stages would be negligible.


bruh_moment__mp3

But there is so many European places nowadays. Basically every cup winner is already in a Europa or champions league spot


Froggyspirits

I'd much rather have the Mitropa Cup come back rather than the Cup Winners Cup, but that's just me.


SaBe_18

What's that?


Froggyspirits

A major tournament between clubs from Austria, Hungary, Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, Romania, Italy and Switzerland. It was the tournament that inspired the creation of the European Cup / Champions' League, and it ran alongside it, UEFA Cup and Cup Winner's Cup throughout the entirety of the Cold War until it was discontinued in 1992. AC Milan, Crvena Zvezda, Torino, Slavia Praha, Atalanta, Partizan, Sparta Praha and Fiorentina all won the Mitropa Cup at least once - and those are some of the most famoust club names that were in it.


jdoc1967

That Aberdeen victory in 1983 is still the last time Real Madrid lost a European final, Ferguson built an incredible team, almost got to a European Cup final the year after.


paper_zoe

>almost got to a European Cup final the year after That was Dundee United who almost got to the European Cup final in 1984 (controversially losing to Roma in the semis). Aberdeen got to the CWC semis in 1984, so they nearly retained it. They only ever got to the second round of the European Cup under Ferguson though.


jdoc1967

Yeah you're right, got a bit mixed up there, although I see the furthest they got in the European Cup was the Quarters the season prior to the CWC win. I also seen that they were knocked out by Liverpool one year in it in the second round, maybe where Ferguson got his dislike of Liverpool from.


mister_dupont

Ah yes, ah European trophy we actually won!


emigum

The most important one


kjgower

Thought you lot won the inter city fairs too?


bruh_moment__mp3

It was called European fairs by then but yes - last team to beat ajax in Europe for 4 years


UndeadPrs

The one and only that matters 🤝


TigerBasket

We won it too! Wish I could have been around for it but it happened 38 years before I was born lol.


el_walou

The only European trophy that ever mattered


TywinDeVillena

The Zaragoza win was absolutely wild with that screamer by Nayim at the last seconds.


Blewfin

What a goal! Still talked about regularly more than 25 years later


MagnumOpus27

So many different winners. I hope that with the new format, the UEL and UECL become like this. I love it. (I don't have much hope for a diverse UCL)


bruh_moment__mp3

It looks like it is working - conference and Europa this year is full of surprises and runs by smaller teams


Godsenttt

How to unsee Spurs City and Chelsea winning in the 60s-70s? It's gonna surely ruin my meme syndrome.


GooFraN

Hey my team is here <3


loser0001

Only massive teams here.


strakamodel

Obviously, duh


real_trump101

Agree


Matt4669

100% agreed Everton clearly the bigger and better club in Liverpool


quibatar

Biggest trophy in europe. Same as the former supercup. Unbiased opinion


strakamodel

Absolutely agree. No bias here either. This is bigger than CL


quibatar

Fellow european powerhouse 🤝 good opinion


risingsuncoc

is there a difference between a former and current Super Cup?


snooplion123

The trophy was smaller in the 90s than its now. Still a european community shield if you ask me


quibatar

I do not know. And i dont know why I worded it like that either hahahaha


efcdoyley

Agreed.


NobleForEngland_

Pre-92 Cup Winners Cup was a very big deal. As was the UEFA Cup. Then the Champions League was created which ended up massively devaluing the other European Competitions. Sad.


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Deanje

Speaking as a Spurs fan, it was definitely '93 that it became completely, and totally irrelevant. In fact, if anything, I pity the teams that won it after '93. Definitely a cup that was defined by the giants that won it in its early, more pure days.


XboxJon82

As a spurs fan you are supposed to say it was dead after 63


FroobingtonSanchez

But until 1997 CL still only included champions, so why would the other competitions be downgraded before that?


NobleForEngland_

You’re right. For some reason I thought the Champions League format change happened instantly.


Magneto88

The format changed - so including group stages etc but the qualification rules came a few years later. Arguably the major clubs knew exactly what they were doing and the format change was just paving the way for expanding the entrants.


BipartizanBelgrade

The CWC started declining and was overtaken by the UEFA Cup even before '92.


Yalwaysme_MB45

Tbh we all like watching high quality football week in -out , but agree on that all european trophies have been devaluated by so many participants. Personally I would bring back cup winners cup and remove conference league . Just K.O games and for better leagues to start at more advanced stages


BipartizanBelgrade

The UECL will basically serve the same purpose as the late-era CWC did. The Group stage might not matter as much to fans of larger clubs, but those games mean the world to ones that otherwise might not be playing in Europe.


NateShaw92

Spurs being the first English winners of the cup winners cup seems right, as in fitting, historically. In nothing but a good way. See FA Cups 8 wins in 9 finals for reference and their history as a cup team. 2 league titles but a very respectable number of cups. Also fun fact: CWC was the secondary UEFA trophy with the UEFA cup being the tertiary, like the Europa Conference League is now. It was very highly valued. This was because of how qualification worked back then for the main European Cup, only champions, so CWC was obviously cup winners and UEFA cup consisted of runners up and the like. No top 4 bollocks.


yimanya

Also Supercup was between Champions League and Cup Winners' Cup


NateShaw92

True. I kinda wish they brought back the cup winners cup but given how qualification works now it'd be shit. Most cup winners are in the top 3 or 4 of their respective leagues.


BipartizanBelgrade

>CWC was the secondary UEFA trophy with the UEFA cup being the tertiary, like the Europa Conference League is now. It was very highly valued When the UEFA Cup started in the early 70s, yes. It overtook the CWC at some point in the 80s or early 90s though.


OldExperience8252

In France and other countries CWC was literally called the C2 while UEFA cup is still C3.


Side1iner

I think this cup should be reinstated. It’s nice having just one team per country while also giving a little more meaning to the domestic cup win. Maybe it could be done in a way that lets a team participate in both this and another cup, idk. The problem would be the extra load on players, of course. But still, I liked it and would be great to see it again some time.


Mttecs

If they didn't decide to expand the CL in 2024 then this could have been a possibility. I wouldve loved to see it come back


Matt4669

And yet no Liverpool, pretty funny Dinamo Tbilisi > Liverpool


crimsafe

No Real Madrid interestingly


mEZzombie

Real Madrid only has 4 appearances in the competition. They lost two finals though (Chelsea 71' and Aberdeen 83') And they went out in QF twice as well (Red Star 75', PSG 94')


IsNotKnown

The biggest and best European competition there ever was obviously. This is what should have come back instead of the conference league.


AnnieIWillKnow

Conference League has been really good though, much better than expected


AnnieIWillKnow

People try telling me Chelsea has no history but what I see here is Peter Osgood scoring to beat Real Madrid, and win a European trophy before Liverpool Football Club did


nahnonameman

Both Aberdeen(1983) and United(1991) are there due to Sir Alex Ferguson. Absolute Legend.


snooplion123

Beating Real and Barcelona


nahnonameman

Bayern too if memory serves me right with Aberdeen


snooplion123

Yes, but i was just talking about the 2 finals. Great achievements both of them


nahnonameman

True. I think so far he is the only manager with 2 statues right in two different teams.


GuamZX

My dad was in Basel in 1984 watching Juve win against Porto, in a stadium almost entirely covered in black and white. His best memory as a Juve fan


pxak

The time Aberdeen won in 1983 was the last time Real Madrid lost a major European final, Liverpool might be favourite's going into this CL final but it'll take a lot more than that if they want to break a record like that.


peeko59

It's weird seeing man City on there. This sub tells me they have no history, and were basically only founded when the takeover happened. That's so strange. Must be a different club with a similar badge. On a more serious note, it's lovely to see so many different nations having clubs win a European trophy, instead of the back and forth between England, and Spain at the moment.


yimanya

PSG too


ThePr1d3

Only 2 French clubs have won a European competition. Paris and Marseille


Aenjeprekemaluci

And both are fiercest rivals.


peeko59

True! Swear reddit is full of 13 year olds


ParziBoi

Yup, one of our periods of glory days under Joe Mercer and Colin Bell (our kits for next season are a tribute to him). We won a title, an FA Cup and a League cup along with the Cup winners cup under him.


Willsgb

And you beat gornik zabrze in the final, the only polish finalist in a european club competition


Kevinisabeautifulboy

First english team to win a european and a domestic cup same season iirc


BipartizanBelgrade

History is when you've won at least a few dozen trophies, ergo these century old clubs that have no history according to r/soccer


peeko59

How many clubs in Europe have a few dozen genuine trophies? I'd be interested in that list.


BipartizanBelgrade

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_football_clubs_in_England_by_competitive_honours_won https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_football_clubs_in_Spain_by_major_honours_won There are equivalent lists for each of the major leagues. Depends what you mean by genuine and how many is a few dozen.


peeko59

Well A dozen is 12, then it would be a couple dozen so 24, for a few I'd say minimum of 3 so 36.


Magneto88

Before the takeover they'd won 2 leagues, 4 FA Cups, 2 League Cups and that CWC. They weren't even as successful as Newcastle/Sunderland/Villa level. Basically a moderately successful club who's best period was well behind it. People don't literally mean they had no history at all.


peeko59

No, a lot of idiots do literally mean no history at all. That's the sad thing.


AlmostNL

Then why do you listen? Aside from some cheap banter why would you ever care what idiots have to say? City is one of the oldest clubs in the world and they have won a couple of trophies. AFAIK they were never a *massive* club for English standards but that should not do away with the fact that they have plenty of history to speak of. So why bother? We all know what is true and what isn't, in this case.


peeko59

It's hard to ignore them when they're fucking everywhere on every post regarding man city.


franpr95

A lot of people discount the periods of competition and the spirit of the club prior to the takeover.


the_dalai_mangala

I’d wager at least half the people who dog on city for having no history literally have no idea we’ve won a European trophy.


citymanc13

Many people mistake banter for facts thats the issue


sanders801

KV Mechelen with the most recent team from Belgium to win an European cup and now they just three seasons ago got promoted to Belgium pro league


TjeefGuevarra

Mechelen is a bigger club than Genk don't @ me


matske1209

Mechelen obviously biggest club in flanders


FroobingtonSanchez

Aad de Mos is a legend


EasyModeActivist

I was really surprised to see Dinamo Tbilisi, but then I realised it was Soviet-era so Georgian teams could actually compete


jimmy8888888

That Tbillisi team was more or less Soviet national team with 5-6 players were starter


vernalagnia

the collapse of the footballing standards in the Soviet Union is only one if the disastrous consequences of its fall.


RumJackson

The team with the most appearances in the CWC is Cardiff City with 14. Just gonna sneak that fact in.


Red4lot

still cant get around to like that new juve crest


Comunicado_Oficial

Haters will say this is "less prestigious" than a CL win


Merengues_1945

I see a cup we need to bring back just to win it... Jezus.


los_blanco_14

A wild city , psg and spurs appears


xaviernoodlebrain

Spurs were on the Europa winners chart too.


InfinitySlayer8

When I told my Gooner friend I had never seen Arsenal win a European trophy, I was right But only just


Tahapatel

You will never sing that u will never sing that Uefa cup winners cup u will never sing that. (Directed towards Liverpool fans)


Sea_Calligrapher1484

I guess you have to cling to at least something this season. Enjoy your wall, dude


Tahapatel

We have as many trophies as u this sesson


Mobile_Response_4886

Real trophies tho


er_primo_der_rafa

I bet that all of you cared a lot about the Carabao Cup before.


Trickyxone

from a team that claims the treble lmfao


lorddookufan

You won a carabao cup and an fa cup against us on penalties. Come on now


Mobile_Response_4886

How is that relevant ?


Possible_Junket4103

Club world cup & super cup > fa cup and carabao cup


AnnieIWillKnow

As a Chelsea fan, absolutely fucking not CWC and Super Cup > League Cup But FA Cup > all the others


Possible_Junket4103

We've got 8 fa cups, how often do you get to wind up rival fans with world champions babyyy


Mobile_Response_4886

LMAO


Possible_Junket4103

WORLD CHAMPIONS BABY LMAOOOOOOOOO


interfan1999

Sucks they abolished it just when we had started winning a good amount of Coppa Italia


DFrek

We are gargantuan


Tessarion2

It never ceases to amaze me that someone who is likely paid a ton of money, signed off on that Juventus badge.


Atwalol

But Chelsea didn't exist before 2006???


kops042

But but but .. man city doesn't have any European trophies and history 😥😥


Haxz0rz1337

I wish we still had CWC instead of Conference League


ball0fsnow

Wish they’d change the name back to UEFA cup. Europa league just sounds like knock off champions league which I think has contributed to its second tier branding


boywithtwoarms

There is some weird revisionism regarding the importance of the cwc compares with the uefa cup. It is simple as if you finished in a uefa cup spot on your league but also won the cup (or lost to the league champion) you would be sent to the cwc and your uefa cup spot was offered to the team just below the uefa cup league spots.


Wengers_Grin

The European super cup was contested between the European cup winners and the cup winners cup winners too.


snooplion123

The Cup Winners Cup was always regarded above the UEFA Cup


Bielshavik

We were robbed in 1973. Fuck Milan. And fuck Bayern for good measure.


Dumbass1171

W


theRealjudgeHolden

I loved this cup. I miss it.


geebeetee

whenever I think of the WCW I can see that Hewitt header.


astral34

The year we won we qualified thanks to a Nesta header against Milan, he still talks about it as one of the most magical moments of his career. To score the winning goal for the team you support must be crazy


ancara_messi

Europa league (and conference ofc) are the only trophies barca haven't won if I'm not wrong


strakamodel

1969! <3


RayIsGoneAway

Jesus Hamburg, look at you now.


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Kingslayer1526

That is uefa cup this is cup winners' cup


mEZzombie

Anderlecht won it against Austria Wien. In fact, the Dutch representative that year was Twente. They lost precisely against Anderlecht in the Semifinals. Edit: Just checked, they won the UEFA cup that year, not this one.


username_takne

wtf no real madrid?


jimmy8888888

they did reached final in 1983 but lost to Aberdeen team of Sir Alex. The last team that beat Real in European final


Thymus101

Crazy how real madrid never won one


mEZzombie

They actually only participated 4 times: 2 times they made it to the final and lost (Chelsea and Aberdeen) 2 times they exited on QF (PSG and Red Star)


AVladyslav

Dynamo Kyiv 🇺🇦😍


mEZzombie

Reading about Lobanovsky's Dynamo Kyiv and watching the final against Atlético on YouTube is what made me learn more about this competition.


This-blew-up

Good because it gave wee teams like Man City a chance to win European silverware. Should bring it back for them.


slagatronic

Excuse my lack of knowledge, genuinely curious was the cup for the winners of the Copa del Rey, DFB Pokal, Coppa Italia, etc..? Instead of the league winners?


xenon2456

Yes back then until 97 only the league winners played in the champions league and the cup winners cup was similar to that


HH_31_J

Tottenham 👏🏻👏🏻 What a club. I'll support Tottenham for the next season of PL


hornpub1818

Because they won the cup winners cup in the 60's?


MASSIVE_HORSE_PENIS

that’s how they get ya😞


chongten

Typical glory hunter


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and thus, the seeds of crippling depression were planted…


Froggyspirits

at least they didn't become a fan of Everton


Apogeotou

I can't believe no Greek team has won European trophies. Not this, nor the Inter-Cities Fairs Cup, not even the shitty Intertoto Cup. Even fucking Dinamo Tbilisi have won this...


jimmy8888888

Dinamo Tbillisi at that time was more or less cream of Soviet Union national team. No joke team


LongShotTheory

What a shitty thing to say, Dinamo Tbilisi was a great team at the time. On par with top European teams.


Apogeotou

Chill mate, I know they are by far the most successful Georgian team. My comment was meant to highlight that even a team from tiny Georgia (albeit part of Soviet Union at that time) has a European trophy, not to offend you.


Elephantstone99

No Liverpool. United and Chelsea won all 3 European trophies.


TheConundrum98

How about the Inter-Cities Fairs cup? Sort of the precursor to the UEFA Cup Barcelona x2, Roma, Valencia x2, Real Zaragoza, Ferencvaros, Dinamo Zagreb, Leeds x2, Newcastle and Arsenal were champions of that before it was abolished in '71


mEZzombie

I've never been a fan of that one as participation wasn't based on sportive merit (except for the last 2 editions) but instead just having trade fairs in the city.


Willsgb

I... didn't know that was how participation was decided. Now I get more why uefa doesn't count it (although I believe fifa and the clubs themselves do)


TeflonTony2013

Not UEFA recognised, and for good reason.


Dawjman

And I here I thought we have no history


MrConor212

But but we have no history but


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I_Jump

"Chelsea have no history before 2003"


Rouge-et-Bleu

No Real, “kings of Europe” my ass


IngloBlasto

No Real Madrid or Liverpool?


Matt4669

Yeah because they’re obv small clubs


kaperisk

The one trophy I hope we never win - all Real Madrid fans. Edit: including Europa league


TsarOfSaturn

So, we're just gonna ignore the last 22 years??


mEZzombie

The competition was discontinued in 1999 in order to give more importance to the UEFA cup (current Europa League).