PSG passed? RIP
Kylian didn’t want to sign him apparently
Good for PSG.
Pogba would ruin PSG's dressing room even more. Allegri will be good enough to not bend backwards to please Pogba like OGS did.
Allegri will just beat him at basketball again
that's how you assert dominance, pick your player's favourite hobby and be better at them than they are
Plot Twist : Allegri Reject Pogba and Pogba Join Milan
He can play for free and we wouldn't accept him near our club.
Maybe Pogba at milan would be very bad idea because he is lazy and does not do anything to play from football
Is Pogba *REALLY* Lazy or does the whole environment in Manchester was just toxic and it kept getting worse and worse ?
Because he wasn't lazy AT ALL with us, and ask any French NT fans and they will tell you that he is not lazy either, Deschamps in particular is the best argument on why Pogba deserve a second chance, that coach don't fuck around with attitudes.
Personally the only negatives I see in this transfer is that we are not going for younger player and that he is more injury prone than he was before, otherwise, I believe he is a great addition, I also have full trust in Allegri and the overall Serie A attitude when it comes to laziness, the lack of superstardom environment here is indeed hurting us (the whole league) financially, but thank fuck we don't have the dressing rooms of the like of Manchester and PSG, literally in the past decade the only cunt was Icardi and you saw how Inter perfectly dealt with it, and he was arguably their best and most valuable asset, so yeah, I am not at at all, worried about "his laziness".
I think the issue was that when he was still with Juve he had to prove himself. To show he was a top level player. When he made the move to United he already got the big money contract and the hype around his name.
Hell even now teams like Juve and PSG want him even though realistically speaking Pogba has played less than Fred. One could even debate that Fred put up more of a shift than Pogba did at United. Pogba at the French NT was a completely different player.
That being said it could also just be a dressing room issue. We will see how he does at his next club because the guy clearly knows how to play as can be seen when he plays for the French NT. But whenever he played for United it was shite most of the time.
He contributed to create that toxic environment.
Here is what Mourinho had to say about him:
« You don’t play, you don’t respect players and supporters and you kill the mentality of good, honest people around you. »
and then boom he did it
I am a PL watcher, no stake in hating on united or pogba, he is incredibly lazy and has looked it for a few seasons imo. Shows up every so often but generally does fuck all to look like he's trying to win a football match/cares about the team.
Maybe a united fan can correct me but this is what i've personally seen
Pretty much, we want players that are morivated and have the desire to give it all for the club.
We play a high press. We have no room for a player who is lazy off ball
so what is the next season from Milan if they won the league
what the players they need and what prediction from Milan in CL next season
and dybala won’t be working against him this time
Pogba is literally the perfect character for PSG's soulless dressing room. Genuinely shocked he's not going there
Didn't even know they were sick.
Warned ? What does that even mean to warn Man United about this ?
"avvisato" means both "warned" and "has been informed". In this case it's more the latter.
I would like to remind you that English is 2nd or 3rd language for probably the majority of /r/soccer users.
Also that English is a dog shit language. It's hard
It's really not tbh, it's actually one of the easiest languages to learn
Language learning isn't universal. Learning Spanish from Italian is different from learning Korean from French.
I'm notifying you!
It was a play on the above. Meaning I sm warning you. I was being silly. :)
Learning a second language can be hard, especially later on in life, but out of all the languages out there, English is one of the easiest.
"has been informed" and "has been notified" is interchangeable surely?
Basically “made aware”…
United warned the clubs that want him.
I think we warned juve about how shit he is.
Warned that he may not accept the offer
He can't be worse than Aaron Ramsey definitely is an upgrade over Rabiot.
I guess their midfield next season will be:
- DM (Mediano): Zakaria o DLP (Regista): Arthur
- LCM (Mezz'ala sinistra): Pogba/Rabiot
- RCM (Mezz'ala destra): Locatelli/Weston McKennie
- LW: Perisic/Chiesa
- ST: Vlahovic/Kean?
- RW: Di Maria/Cuadrado
McKennie is going to leave as he’s the only one in midfield that might bring cash in. Zakaria will slot in as mezzala backup and they will try for Jorginho.
I’m not an advocate for the plan I just described, I just think that’s the most likely.
it’s a good decision to bring in jorginho, but letting mckennie go is worse. he’s the most dynamic midfielder they have while still offering defensive solidity
Obviously if we could sell other midfielders for a profit I would consider McKennie as the last one to let go. Unfortunately time and time again Juve has proven this is not how they operate.
Why'd they let McKennie go? I know he's been hit and miss but he's young, got potential and at the very least he gives 100%.
He's the only one from the midfield that would fetch a decent transfer fee that the management wouldn't mind selling.
What the other guy said.
Mckennie isn't going
Who is? Because somebody has to make room and I don’t see a queue for anyone else.
Has anyone reliable said about you going for Jorginho?
I've seen the likes of Gazetta saying you're in talks and his agent won't shut up about it, and all our journalists seem to think it's going to happen but I've not seen anything concrete yet?
It’s a combination of things that makes me think he’s the most obvious suspect if I know the way our management team operates on the transfer market:
- international experience
- proven in serie A
- suited to the coach
- in last year of current contract
- expressed interest in joining
Arthur is 100% leaving and Rovella is coming back
Rovella has got 1 start for Genoa since December( mostly because of his injuries, but also for technical choice by the new manager). I doubt they will occupy a place in the lists for him, instead Miretti and Fagioli wouldn't occupy any spot because they are homegrown players
Not too sure about rovella
We will definitely get fagioli back tho and maybe miretti will stay
Eh, the opposite for me. Fagioli hasn't even played in Serie a, i think we'll loan him for another year (maybe to cremonese which he helped promoting, so he'd get to play in Serie a but also in an environment he's familiar with, which would help him to grow)
We tried taking Rovella back already halfway into the season, i think this time we'll keep him
If we get Pogba (and there are rumors about Jorginho) then i think miretti will also be loaned, but we'll see about that
Fagioli has been really good for Cremonese though, and I think Rovella hasn't had a great season especially compared to last year. Although both probably need another loan as I don't see them doing very well or growing much if they stayed at Juve under Allegri.
Arthur is not 100% leaving unless Jorginho comes, I remember reading that Allegri wants him.
That said, if Jorginho comes then yeah, Arthur can go away. He has potential and isn’t as bad as other people say, but god damn Jorginho is such a massive upgrade that I don’t think Arthur would like spending half the season on the bench.
Arthur literally said he's leaving (well, his agent said so)
Even without Jorginho we have Rovella and Fagioli lined up, Arthur is very expensive for no reason as he doesn't offer us much, so he's for sure leaving at least on loan, he wants to leave and we want him out.
Arthur is most likely gone.
We will probably keep miretti/fagioli aswell
Rabiot is still a (?), If the right offer comes he might be gone too
Everyone says this, but who on earth is paying us for him. At best we get a loan with option or something. We are proper shit at selling
Newcastle hopefully ;)
are you loaning him out? cause nobody is paying shit for him
They are getting perisic too ?
Perisic will never go to Juve, I wouldn’t really mind if he did, but I don’t think he’s the type of guy to jump to a direct rival, especially Juve
It's Italy, all the top players must play for at least three rivals before they retire lmao
Yes yes, and Dybala will not go to inter because of all the crying. Footballers arent the same anymore, and they go where the money is.
I don’t really care if he came to you. Perisic has been one of our best performers in the past two years but not a legend or someone who will be remembered by us. Dybala on the other hand, would definitely sting if he came to us.
Of course it would irritate if Dybala went to Inter.
> Perisic will never go to Juve
The fact this is your expectation though, shows it will definitely urk you when that expectation ends up being different. Your impression of him will change.
Dybala isnt Juve's best player anymore and really hasn't been since 2018/2019. Perisic has definitely been your best player over the last 6 months at the least. While the emotions for Dybala are more, the fact Juve would be getting Inter's best player, while Inter is getting Juve's vice captain means both would kind of suck for the fan base.
I personally don't think Perisic will come btw. Di Maria is very close on a 1-2 yr deal, and we arent going to get Perisic and Pogba on top. No chance we can afford that I don't think.
Someone used Mezzala unironically, everyone knows the rules, you have to take a shot
Why would United be warned
Not to bring him back a second time
A warning out of courtesy. So they can put the champagne on ice.
Champagnes getting popped when it’s official he’s gone
Mistranslation I think, they meant to say "has been informed"
It should be Juventus being warned. He’s a haircut with a terrible work ethic.
In this context, “warned” means that Man Utd have been notified.
Not to renew Contract just to make Man City and Liverpool Dominance the premier league
Must be getting a fairly big signing on bonus. Even though he's obviously not shown his worth but that's quite a fall in terms of wages to what he was getting at United.
He'll also probably will get to keep more of his image rights, which united would have kept more of and renumerated with salary.
He got £3m from United a year on top of his salary for his image rights whether or not that changes much.
Since he’s been outside Italy for two years he’ll qualify for the tax reduction, he won’t need to pay tax on the first 50% of his income.
It's about €310,000 per week, which is about €30,000 less than he was usually paid at United but his United wage would have been cut by 25% anyway because they didn't qualify for the Champions League. Plus I'm sure he's getting a fat signing bonus!
Pogba's United contract is a little bit awkward but it was leaked a while back.
He get's £144,000 a week as a basic wage but then a £3.75m loyalty bonus every year which done weekly would be £216k. The Champions League bonus is an extra £1.85m a year which then bumps it up to £251k when competing in the CL.
This deal seemingly suggests he's getting around €190k-€211k a week with the bonuses which is around £161k-£180k which is why I feel it's a bit of a drop but yeah he must be getting a fairly big signing on bonus.
Italian salaries are listed after-tax, so he's really going to be earning almost double what is mentioned here.
No because of the tax breaks. Its like 50%
Thought I read that Pogba wouldn't be eligible for those foreigner tax breaks because he was there before, so he'd be taxed as normal?
he is because he hasn't worked in italy for the past 2 years:
I thought the same originally but Italy keeps update the Tax regime.
Anywhere I look it says Pogba is make between 12-15mio pounds a season. Thats between ~14-18mio Euros. For 8mio net salary with the tax breaks he will cost 12mio Euros Gross + bonuses of 3-4mio. Its a decrease on what hes making now for sure. In terms of Signing Bonus I really don't think Juve has that much to offer. No big sales yet and we just got Vlahovic in the winter window.
Where have you for that from? If headline is correct 8m a season is like 153k a week? Bonuses over double his wage?
Italian wages are reported after tax. English wages are reported before tax.
How much he was getting net?
On the basis he got his CL bonus and doing a quick tax calculator (which won't be accurate as I'm sure he will be doing some accounting tricks as most rich people do) his take home would be £6.73m which would be €7.95m.
So he is going to get the same thing (or even more) if he's getting 8M in Juventus
Below £6m after the CL cut if he stayed another year. Juve will be able to pay him less whilst he takes home slightly more.
But it's worth mentioning that Pogba's reported wage includes a loyalty bonus each year. To my knowledge, that's pretty unusual based on other leaked deals where it's reported separately. It's possible or maybe even likely that the 8m reported here doesn't include the loyalty bonus meaning he could potentially take a sizeable net salary bump with Juventus.
Good signing Jogba
Juventus are favorites for the league again. Zakaria + Vlahovic + Di Maria + Pogba. nice signings
Too early to say, especially if Investcord buy Milan..
If Milan fix their RW (-> Berardi), Trequartista (->Dybala) problems and properly replace Kessie (Renato Sanches) and Romagnoli (Botman) then they'd be favourite..
For sure we couldn't compete with the power of Exor (Fiat/Ferrari) and Oil money..
Berardi isn't a primary objective for us. We are looking for a different style of RW. Berardi is at the bottom of our list if we cannot get someone better.
Our 10 sitiation will not improve much, we have signed Yacine Adli from Bordeaux last season which will return from his loan. Him, Diaz, Renato, Pobega will be the ones to cover that position.
As you said, Romagnoli lives, Botman arrives and we will replace Kessie and Bakayoko with Pobega and Renato. The important signings will be a RW and a CF depending on who will be the future owner of the club and what strategy will he follow. Also, we are looking to replace Ballo Toure, if we can part ways with him, with someone between Udogie, Parisi or Cambiasso.
Who are the RWs linked to Milan currently?
Pretty much noone. We are very good at keeping quiet our targets. Especially because we don't know who the new owners will be and what budget we will have next summer.
Parisi will be a good signing I feel. Also what about Hauge? Will he not come back to Milan?
He was on loan at Frankfurt with an option which would transform into an obligation if Frankfurt wasn't relegated. Plus 2 mil of easy bonuses and 2 mil of bonus if they actually had won the UEL. We have made 15 mil for the departure of Hauge.
Personally i would prefer Udogie
I'm sorry? Pardon my ignorance but is Milan an Oil club now as well? Like City, PSG, Chelsea?
Not now but soon..
It seems they will be bought within the next 2 weeks by Investcorp, the most important Bahrain fund.
And we know as the importance of this small state and the wealth are due to the sizeable oil fields. The sale and refining of the extracted oil is the main source of income for the country.
Seems that Investcorp isn't the frontrunner anymore to buy Milan. It's RedBird now.
Well i see Dybala will happen but Berardi no way
he could have leave Sassoulo in 2016 or 2017 but instead he stays
he made his own choice and needs to stay away from clubs who want to buy him
Berardi pushed for a departure last summer to go to Milan. Still wants to come to us this summer as confirmed by Sassuolos sporting director. We don't want to pay more than around 20 mil for him that is the end point.
I thought after this seasons PSG collapse ppl understood that players are not figurines.
Lol its United that should warn Juventus about what kind of player they are signing lol
So they got 90 million for letting United loaned him 6 years. Cool
only about a season’s worth of games if you count his injuries & him actually showing up to play
Wouldn't touch him with a barge pole. Not worth 1/100th of the wage.
I truly don’t understand why we’re going after Pogba. After the way his time at Man Utd has gone, and with the often miserable way we play under Allegri now, I can’t figure out why we’re so keen to have him back.
The "miserable" performances come from not being able to create much from the midfield, you really can't understand why we're after Pogba?
Also him and Di Maria on a free allow us to invest our money in other parts of the field, we're desperate for a fullback and another CB after Chiellini left, in case you didn't realize. This allows us to spend our money there while also getting the players we need in the midfield and in attack
Yes I can’t understand why we’re after Pogba when his creativity has been so inconsistent for years.
> We're desperate for a fullback and another CB after Chiellini left, in case you didn't realize.
Oh are we? Thanks for letting me know, I definitely had no idea. We should definitely make Pogba one of our highest paid players just because he’s a free transfer then.
I don't think you realize how little we're paying him, 8m is 11m gross, Alex Sandro is on 12 alone. Dybala was on 14 and people are mad we didn't renew him for 16, Vlahovic is on 15.
These are the normal wages for such players, do you think buying another top midfielder would have saved us money there? We'd have had to spend a lot more on the fee, that's all we would have accomplished.
So yes, with the money we save we can also buy other reinforcements, i don't understand why you're against this
> do you think buying another top midfielder would have saved us money there
I think we’re not signing a top midfielder if we bring Pogba back.
How about Di Maria, as he was also underwhelming at united?
Pogba is still world class for France, I'm sure he'll do well here
Are we signing Di Maria from Man Utd? I could have sworn I remember him leaving them and being excellent for another club for the last seven years, must have been a dream.
Then again, have you not seen Pogba play for France?
Pogba is a world class player, there is no doubt about that. The question is his fitness, we'll see how he does compared to the pl, but his qualities are not up for debate
I have seen Pogba play for France. I am more concerned by how he plays 40+ times a season for his club, if he does that, which he often doesn’t because of injuries.
> Pogba when his creativity has been so inconsistent for years.
People just make up new problems for Pogba now
You tell me. At least he won't be our problem now
I think the problem with Pogba is everyone has long since made their mind up. It's uncommon that an unhappy and unliked player remains at a club for 6 years now. And for most of that time the club has lacked direction.
We've seen time and time again players that have underperformed or weren't comfortable in their environment move elsewhere and perform brilliantly. Equally we've seen players that were outright poor revive their career elsewhere. Pogba has all the talent in the world and has performed for Juventus previously and has been world class for the national team.
My biggest concern with Pogba would be his injury record. Even as a United fan that's been underwhelmed by Pogba and is happy to see him go, I am pretty sure he'll make a good go of it at Juve.
Because Lotito won't sell to Juve. Simple as that.
“Warned”. We WANT him gone lol.
Hope he flops and Juve lose the league again. Rewarding players like Pogba with these contracts is gross
the upvote button on your comment is locked for me - can only downvote...
Imagine watching Pogba for the past 4 years and just saying "yeah, 8 mil on that pls"
People said the same thing about Lukaku and Di Maria before they left Man U and look how both did for Inter/PSG. Not saying Pogba is going to be perfect for us - but the signing makes sense in a lot of ways.
- Knows the club and manager well.
- relatively cheap signing compared to SMS for example.
- He has shown he can still be world class for France when surrounded by good players and a good manager. A midfield of him Locatelli and Zakaria is a big improvement from what he has at United
Lukaku was fine at Man U
He had one poor half season in 2018 where the entire team was looking poor
He was very poor for all of 18/19. But 'fine' is fairly accurate for his 17/18. Unremarkable in every sense.
we didn't want to sell him when he left. He chose to leave. He was good
We didn't want to sell Di Maria either. The striker market was poor at the time and we weren't going to sign a replacement. That's why we and Chelsea spent so much on Morata and Lukaku in the first place. I can imagine we weren't in a hurry to give up on our up to £90m investment also. We did give him away at a loss.
His finishing wasn't great, he couldn't hold the ball up, his touch killed every attack. 28 goals in two seasons is not good. Especially when those goals were so unevenly distributed. In two seasons he score just 1 goal in 24 matches against the other big 6. I can't imagine a striker with a similarly embaressing record. His first season was alright. His second was just plain bad.
Pretty sure Juventus didn't want him to leave in the first place?
Sounds like a sigma male rule
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