Juve decided not to renew his contract because of economical, tactical and physical reasons.
If they wanted to keep him their offer would have been too low
Napoli fans are just glass half empty people. In the Chiellini thread one of the top comments is about how itd be bittersweet unless Italy won the Euros, theyre just jaded
The pro-juve media that are influenced by Agnelli and which insulted Dybala? and Agnelli who only speaks in interviews to mock Sarri after Juventus-Lyon or to tell the media that "we are waiting for Dybala" and then not actually offering him a contract?
If anything he understated.
Immensely talented but sadly struggling with injuries. I really believe he is one of the best players in the world if healthy. I really would like to see a team build around him before it’s too late
He gave it all to this club, despite the management trying to offload him against his wishes. Next season we still will be paying bags of money to Rabiot and Ramsey but no offer for Paulo. Even with injuries he is best goalscorer this season for Juve and second in assists.
>Next season we still will be paying bags of money to Rabiot and Ramsey but no offer for Paulo
We have to pay them because paratici offered them an insane contract, so there is nothing the current board can do about it.
You are talking like we prefer to pay ramsey than dybala, it's not correct and you know it
I mean, it's a bit like when Rafa came to us fresh from managing Real Madrid. He's way above our level, so if he wants to come he'd be an instant upgrade in a position we're anxious to fill.
I say be mad at management, but that would be so shitty towards us fans. We will all have fond memories of him, and there's basically only one club we would never forgive him for joining.
That's a non sense comparison. Totti was born and lived his whole life as a roman, the guy is an institution in rome, not only as a player but as a person who represents them. As good as dybala is, he's not 5% of what totti is for roma, and would never be.
I really respect Arsenal fans' ability to take a joke. They are the low-fruit for jokes & they're always good sport about it.
I mean, what are they going to do about it? Play us?
I get how you'd be wary of signing a 34 year old to a long contract. He's pretty healthy but it's still a risk even though he doesn't rely on pace.
Especially since it seems every season his agent kicks up a fuss and rumors are everywhere about him wanting to leave.
Honestly, I'd be fine with him going to ACM. If he goes to inter, however, that's a big middle finger to us Juve fans. Hopefully, he'd never go to inter.
Curious, Juve has that bigger with a rivalry with Inter compared to Milan?
I legit always thought all 3 teams just hated each other in equal amounts, this is even a bit strange to learn
Any reason why the rivalry is bigger?
Apart from what the others have said, more recently Calciopoli. Inter were the main beneficiaries, and a lot of Inter stakeholders and former employees were heavily involved in the legal proceedings as supposedly neutral parties.
> If he goes to inter, however, that's a big middle finger to us Juve fans.
Your club didnt renew him, its not his fault that he is leaving. If Inter offer him the best package he'd be dumb not to go there.
Plenty of Juve fans will but I personally won’t. He wants to stay, the management is forcing him out. If he gets his money at Inter and has the chance to shove it down Agnelli’s throat 2+ times a year then good for him.
it would certainly sour his memory. Going to inter can't possibly be the only desitnation for him, and choosing our most hated rival is clearly and intention FU to the management, but in reality only hurts the fans. doesn't seem like a fair deal
If you have a famuly and like to stay in Italy i can only see Milan or Inter as team able to play his salary. Actually family and lifestyle does count when you played and lived for 10 years in Italy.
sure it does, but in football much less. He has one big contract left to make his money in, and its only a few years. He can come back after, like most footballers do. People move for work all the time, and its unlikely Inter are the biggest offer out there...this is Marotta we are talking about
It is general norm that people and families make sacrifices for work. This standard in today's society. Dybala doesn't even have kids...so what family. His GF?This angle is so overplayed. Especially in football, the notion of going where the money is most understandable. They only have x time to make this money and it is very arguable, that maximizing that income IS whats best for his family. This is generational wealth they are earning.
I'm sure some here can point out other examples, but I can't remember another player who was so desperate to give it all for a single club, while said club always looked at them as investment to be cashed in once "rich" clubs come knocking.
I genuinely hope he doesn't have any regrets, because while it's obvious that the fans love him as much as he loves the club, the Juve admin has always looked like they were hoping for a big sale the entire time he was there.
I suspect that one of the reasons his contract is not being renewed is because they resent the fact that there were multiple chances to make the sale happen, but it was Dybala who insisted that he wants to remain at the club.
Obviously it's just mind-reading on my part, but it's not like it was Dybala who would come up with all those transfer rumours every window, particularly when wage budget wouldn't add up.
> I suspect that one of the reasons his contract is not being renewed is because they resent the fact that there were multiple chances to make the sale happen, but it was Dybala who insisted that he wants to remain at the club.
If Dybala had had a real agent in any of the preceding 3 years, including this past october he would have already renewed. The decision not do so was done sometime over xmas. Dybala's agent only just got his legal credentials...
> as investment to be cashed in once "rich" clubs come knocking.
I don't think this is fair, as even when he was being shopped around it was for like 40mio, and not big bucks. He was never seen as an investment to sell on like pogba for example, but a cornerstone of the project. Once management decided he was no longer going to be that cornerstone they clearly felt his costs weren't merited and would rather spend them elsewhere.
This one hurts still, he was my fav player at the time, still have his shirt, he gave an interview saying he didn't want to leave but the club sold him anyways.
"Eh ma Dybala non ha gli anni, le presenze, i numeri di tizio, di caio di tanti altri..."
Quando capirete che nessun almanacco può decidere di chi e come affezionarsi, allora smetterete di essere clienti, per diventare finalmente tifosi e appassionati.
C’è tanto, troppo da ricostruire, a cominciare dall’affetto e l’attaccamento dei tifosi, trattati come stupidi il più delle volte o come meri clienti.
L’artefice di questo declino prima o poi ne darà conto.
It’s incredible we’re letting him go because we didn’t want to match his wage requests. Yet, happy to let that bitch Rabiot suck agnelli’s money tit. This guy is special and I get the injuries, but he’s made such a difference for us and for how much Juve means to him I’m forever mad that we’re letting him go. Not the first time that’s happened, look at my username. Agnelli get fucked you gross ass unibrowed cunt muscle.
Ma dai che discorso senza senso. Rabiot ha un contratto fatto da paratici che purtroppo non possiamo strappare di punto in bianco. Ce lo dobbiamo tenere per forza
Tu invece stai facendo intendere che non stiamo rinnovando dybala per poter dare quei soldi a rabiot. Non è così e lo sai bene
Ferrari and Juventus are (partly) owend by Agnelli family via their investment company Exor.
Fun fact: it's officially a Dutch company, headquarter in Amsterdam for favourable tax environment.
I've hated you but it still feels like part of my teenage years are being buried right now, it's so sad to see such a relationship come to an end even when it's at a rival club
He had so much potential.
Still became a great player but nowhere near the player I thought he would become. Still, a devout supporter of the club inside and off the pitch.
Its been 7 years since 2015 and its sad so see Juve and Barca in this state.
> Bernardeschi. He has been playing great in 2022.
Please no - hes on 4.5mio and has achieved nothing with us. His stats are horrendous, and he really hasn't been that good this year despite him needing to give everything for a contract. We have a chance to do a proper reset an offload clear mistakes...renewing Berna and Desciglio is just throwing this opportunity away
I agree that his salary is ridiculous for what he brings to the table but I still think he has been significantly better in 2022. I would love to have an auxiliary player like him on the team.
In his entire 5 years, I have 1 game I remember where he showed something - that game vs Atleti. Thats it. He was playing for a contract this season, had tons of opportunities with all the injuries we had and was still forgetable - why not try to promote some of the youngsters like Ake who is considerably cheaper. Atleast if he doesnt work out you can make some money on a sale. Gotta accept a sunk cost here
I would kill to hear what Bonucci said to him. I was a critical of Dybi during his last few seasons but this absolute skewers me. Wish him a life of happiness and success wherever he ends up.
I find it weird that for a country known for being very much emotionally "On display" Italian fans seem to have a lot less problems with a fantastic player moving to a direct rival.
So many seem to have played for at least two of Juve/ Inter/ AC Milan/ Napoli/ Roma/ Fiorentina. Some players seem to just have bounced around top Italian clubs. I suppose it happens everywhere but it seems far more noticeable in Italy.
Title of the other video had me worried he got booed or something lol. Glad to see him get a proper send-off, looking forward to seeing what he does next season
ppl downvoting dont watch italian football.
there were at least 3 seasons where it was 'oh shit next season dybala is going to be a monster'
then he'd be injured either before or early on in the season and then again at some point and just never get anything going.
Damn chiellini and Dybala same day. That must’ve been hard for everyone
Yeah. It is.
No I’m fine, thanks though
I will forgive your comment if you win on Sunday.
And Insigne...
Why is he leaving ?
Juve decided not to renew his contract because of economical, tactical and physical reasons. If they wanted to keep him their offer would have been too low
physical?
I can't speak for GuamZX, but Dybala has frequent injury problems. That might be what he meant.
Exactly
I dont get it either, the guy is gorgeous 😍
his ugly crying face look more handsome than me on my wedding
Sorry for my broken English 🙏😂
*bonk*
I was talking about his injury proneness
Because agnelli likes to give people rage
Because Bonucci wouldn’t fuck off and let him enjoy his moment
Nah nah mate, im sure youre joking but bonucci is definitely just giving his teammate and bro support here.
Napoli fans are just glass half empty people. In the Chiellini thread one of the top comments is about how itd be bittersweet unless Italy won the Euros, theyre just jaded
Juve decided not to renew
Good choice of song, then. You’re simply the best! Better than all the rest. Not good enough to renew, though.
You know watching the video I was wondering why that song
It was for Chiellini's goodbye
Serious answer: he’s had 86 days missed due to injuries just in 2022.
Because Juventus is run by three people who can't help but contradict each other (Agnelli, Nedved, Arrivabene)
He asked too much and the management made him the scapegoat for the terrible last 2 seasons for Juve standards
>the management made him the scapegoat Talk about an overstatement
The pro-juve media that are influenced by Agnelli and which insulted Dybala? and Agnelli who only speaks in interviews to mock Sarri after Juventus-Lyon or to tell the media that "we are waiting for Dybala" and then not actually offering him a contract? If anything he understated.
> Agnelli Honestly can't wait to see Elkann kick him to the curb. Thanks for everything but you're not bigger than the club.
It's pretty accurate
Found the non Italian
Wait I thought getting rid of Ronaldo was supposed to fix things 😲
Now it's allegri and his tactics not getting the most out if their new midfield and attackers
That would require, well, a midfield to get anything out of.
Because instead he is? 🤔
tell ten hag
Sure fixed things up for you!
Without him only god knows how bad we would be lmao
^ How to spot an actual Italian on Reddit.
No extension, hoping chelsea
La Joya 💎💔
Immensely talented but sadly struggling with injuries. I really believe he is one of the best players in the world if healthy. I really would like to see a team build around him before it’s too late
He gave it all to this club, despite the management trying to offload him against his wishes. Next season we still will be paying bags of money to Rabiot and Ramsey but no offer for Paulo. Even with injuries he is best goalscorer this season for Juve and second in assists.
> Ramsey Thought you are going to let him go? Would be hell of a surprise if he renew.
He still has a year left I think
He does, unfortunately. I imagine club will try and buy him out if he won't go out on loan
The Wales special
>Next season we still will be paying bags of money to Rabiot and Ramsey but no offer for Paulo We have to pay them because paratici offered them an insane contract, so there is nothing the current board can do about it. You are talking like we prefer to pay ramsey than dybala, it's not correct and you know it
Think they brought it up as a “consequences for your actions” example.
Man bleeds black and white. We'll miss you so fucking much, Paulo. Good luck.
He needs to get that checked out, that could be a serious health issue.
Perhaps op is colourblind, either way a medical check up is due for someone
Don't worry he can come play for Newcastle :)
I mean, it's a bit like when Rafa came to us fresh from managing Real Madrid. He's way above our level, so if he wants to come he'd be an instant upgrade in a position we're anxious to fill.
>Man bleeds black and white. Which makes him the perfect player for Inter.
What if he goes to inter
No need to make a bad moment worse
I say be mad at management, but that would be so shitty towards us fans. We will all have fond memories of him, and there's basically only one club we would never forgive him for joining.
Villareal
How'd you know?
Always thought he'd be what Totti was for Roma, such a gem of a player, hard not to love him. I hope he gets to shine again!
That's a non sense comparison. Totti was born and lived his whole life as a roman, the guy is an institution in rome, not only as a player but as a person who represents them. As good as dybala is, he's not 5% of what totti is for roma, and would never be.
Looked like Tobey Maguire a bit there
Look at little Dybala Jr. Gonna cry?
I put some dirt in his eye.
Did they tell him he will move to Arseanal at the end of the season?
Ouch, man. Very ouch.
I really respect Arsenal fans' ability to take a joke. They are the low-fruit for jokes & they're always good sport about it. I mean, what are they going to do about it? Play us?
Very classy.
Take the last line out, I really meant the rest.
Likely
Or Man Utd. But because you bottled it today! 😊
C'mon. Why right now?
you guys are never safe on this sub
Happy birthday bud
Gracias
It's on sight mate
Gunners fans catching strays. Nowhere is safe
Low blow bro
No but they told him United is looking for a striker
I feel attacked.. but fair.
Honestly he won't do bad for them
This breaks my heart. You can really tell how much he loves Juve
To think Lewandowski won't get this kind of send off if he leaves this summer if mad
Yeah honestly, can't help but blame the club.
I mean his agent is equally to blame as every summer it's the same noises being made, boy who cries wolf etc.
I get how you'd be wary of signing a 34 year old to a long contract. He's pretty healthy but it's still a risk even though he doesn't rely on pace. Especially since it seems every season his agent kicks up a fuss and rumors are everywhere about him wanting to leave.
i dont care for barca but the fact that messi got nothing is a travesty
It's super upsetting but at the same time by the end of the season we all thought he was renewing
Am still in disbelief that Messi didn't get a standing ovation in the Camp Nou...
Please dont go to Inter, That’s all i ask for 🥺
I was kinda hoping but after seeing him in tears I think there's no chance he joins us.
Inter has deep Argentina ties. I know what you’re saying, but I could still see it
I hope you're right cause it would be massive for us. But he clearly loves juve, idk if he'd do that to the fans
Let’s not pretend like any of that matter one iota. He’s going where he can get some money and stay in Italy
this is the only true answer
And they have Zanetti right now as well in an important position
*\*Monkey's Paw curls\** \[OFFICIAL\] Paulo Dybala to join AC Milan
Honestly, I'd be fine with him going to ACM. If he goes to inter, however, that's a big middle finger to us Juve fans. Hopefully, he'd never go to inter.
Curious, Juve has that bigger with a rivalry with Inter compared to Milan? I legit always thought all 3 teams just hated each other in equal amounts, this is even a bit strange to learn Any reason why the rivalry is bigger?
Juventus representing Italy and Inter representing foreign players.
we respect milan as rivals, we despise inter
Apart from what the others have said, more recently Calciopoli. Inter were the main beneficiaries, and a lot of Inter stakeholders and former employees were heavily involved in the legal proceedings as supposedly neutral parties.
> If he goes to inter, however, that's a big middle finger to us Juve fans. Your club didnt renew him, its not his fault that he is leaving. If Inter offer him the best package he'd be dumb not to go there.
If that happens, would you consider him a snake in that case?
Plenty of Juve fans will but I personally won’t. He wants to stay, the management is forcing him out. If he gets his money at Inter and has the chance to shove it down Agnelli’s throat 2+ times a year then good for him.
So they gave him the Del Piero treatment..... terrible
Ain't Inter in a financial situation? isn't that why they want to let Martinez go
We don't want to let Martinez go, he renewed his contract a couple months ago lol
Mb I just remember seeing that if a good offer came in they would let him go a few weeks back on here.
That's probably still the case
It all comes down to the definition of good offer, if it's 100 mln then we definitely want him to stay.
it would certainly sour his memory. Going to inter can't possibly be the only desitnation for him, and choosing our most hated rival is clearly and intention FU to the management, but in reality only hurts the fans. doesn't seem like a fair deal
If you have a famuly and like to stay in Italy i can only see Milan or Inter as team able to play his salary. Actually family and lifestyle does count when you played and lived for 10 years in Italy.
sure it does, but in football much less. He has one big contract left to make his money in, and its only a few years. He can come back after, like most footballers do. People move for work all the time, and its unlikely Inter are the biggest offer out there...this is Marotta we are talking about
But people are people, they're different! Who are we to judge a man if he wish to stay in Italy for the comfort of his family.
It is general norm that people and families make sacrifices for work. This standard in today's society. Dybala doesn't even have kids...so what family. His GF?This angle is so overplayed. Especially in football, the notion of going where the money is most understandable. They only have x time to make this money and it is very arguable, that maximizing that income IS whats best for his family. This is generational wealth they are earning.
How would he be a "snake" when Juve are the ones showing him the door?
I'm sure some here can point out other examples, but I can't remember another player who was so desperate to give it all for a single club, while said club always looked at them as investment to be cashed in once "rich" clubs come knocking. I genuinely hope he doesn't have any regrets, because while it's obvious that the fans love him as much as he loves the club, the Juve admin has always looked like they were hoping for a big sale the entire time he was there.
Navas for Real Madrid maybe, played great for a few seasons there while being attemptedly replaced with De Gea and Courtois repearedly and traded off
I remember Navas telling he cried at home when he read the news about the De Gea move (obviously the broken fax stopped that from ever happening).
i’d love to see what teams would look like if that fax machine wasn’t broken. was a massive butterfly effect
Man Utd might get relegated.
probably. would means courtois stays, navas moves, potentially to united instead of psg. whole lot of what-if’s
Chelsea don't spend 70m on Kepa.
Maybe Chelsea does but this time Kepa actually gets sub on the Carabao cup final.
Navas > De Gea, people might not want to hear it but without him, we don't win champions.
Man I fucking love Keylor. I understand why we went for Courtois, but man Navas bled white.
This is definitely true. looks like Juve's board isn't able to appreciate that.
I suspect that one of the reasons his contract is not being renewed is because they resent the fact that there were multiple chances to make the sale happen, but it was Dybala who insisted that he wants to remain at the club. Obviously it's just mind-reading on my part, but it's not like it was Dybala who would come up with all those transfer rumours every window, particularly when wage budget wouldn't add up.
> I suspect that one of the reasons his contract is not being renewed is because they resent the fact that there were multiple chances to make the sale happen, but it was Dybala who insisted that he wants to remain at the club. If Dybala had had a real agent in any of the preceding 3 years, including this past october he would have already renewed. The decision not do so was done sometime over xmas. Dybala's agent only just got his legal credentials...
Agnelli also fucked Del Piero, it's not like he gives a shit
He also fucked the director of marketings wife, quite literally, which is why he quit for Barcelona
> as investment to be cashed in once "rich" clubs come knocking. I don't think this is fair, as even when he was being shopped around it was for like 40mio, and not big bucks. He was never seen as an investment to sell on like pogba for example, but a cornerstone of the project. Once management decided he was no longer going to be that cornerstone they clearly felt his costs weren't merited and would rather spend them elsewhere.
inter with kovacic
This one hurts still, he was my fav player at the time, still have his shirt, he gave an interview saying he didn't want to leave but the club sold him anyways.
Glad Kovacic is being appreciated now at Chelsea, love him
Kovacic was also appreciated at madrid. Fans really like him
breaks my heart to see that…
Seeing dudes cry and get emotional always gets me..
well this hits pretty hard. goddammit. thank you paulo
wow 😢
"Eh ma Dybala non ha gli anni, le presenze, i numeri di tizio, di caio di tanti altri..." Quando capirete che nessun almanacco può decidere di chi e come affezionarsi, allora smetterete di essere clienti, per diventare finalmente tifosi e appassionati. C’è tanto, troppo da ricostruire, a cominciare dall’affetto e l’attaccamento dei tifosi, trattati come stupidi il più delle volte o come meri clienti. L’artefice di questo declino prima o poi ne darà conto.
MRW I realize I'm going to Inter next year
Tears of Joy
Tears of Joya
That was pretty good imo, tough crowd.
At least he'll be in the right city, so he got half of it right 🙃
Fuck Agnelli, I never forgot what he did to Del Piero..and now this. Disgusting.
That kit though 🔥
It’s incredible we’re letting him go because we didn’t want to match his wage requests. Yet, happy to let that bitch Rabiot suck agnelli’s money tit. This guy is special and I get the injuries, but he’s made such a difference for us and for how much Juve means to him I’m forever mad that we’re letting him go. Not the first time that’s happened, look at my username. Agnelli get fucked you gross ass unibrowed cunt muscle.
Ma dai che discorso senza senso. Rabiot ha un contratto fatto da paratici che purtroppo non possiamo strappare di punto in bianco. Ce lo dobbiamo tenere per forza Tu invece stai facendo intendere che non stiamo rinnovando dybala per poter dare quei soldi a rabiot. Non è così e lo sai bene
Why can I see him going to Newcastle lmao
Well that guy in the other thread did say he bleeds black and white.
Tbh as Juve fan i would like to see that ,they would match his wages and they would build team around him plus black and white strip
Very unrelated but I did not expect to see Maurizio Arrivabene on this clip Looking it up now, apparently he’s on juve’s board which I didn’t know lol
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Sounds like him. Had the same reputation at Ferrari during his tenure
That's crazy I completely forgot he was involved with Juventus after his stint with Ferrari.
Ferrari and Juventus are (partly) owend by Agnelli family via their investment company Exor. Fun fact: it's officially a Dutch company, headquarter in Amsterdam for favourable tax environment.
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Conte at Spurs would welcome with open arms :)
I will never forget his winner against lazio few years ago 🥺
Thanks Dybala, now i am crying like a little bitch.
The ownership/management will regret this. I’m following Paulo wherever he goes
are there any rumours as to where he'll end up? Always enjoyed watching Dybala.
!remindme 10 years his side of the story
I've hated you but it still feels like part of my teenage years are being buried right now, it's so sad to see such a relationship come to an end even when it's at a rival club
He had so much potential. Still became a great player but nowhere near the player I thought he would become. Still, a devout supporter of the club inside and off the pitch. Its been 7 years since 2015 and its sad so see Juve and Barca in this state.
So they want to sign Pogba after letting Dybala go over injuries and money? Lmao
Is it too late to sign him on free transfer? I'm legit gutted to pieces today. I'm even going to miss Bernardeschi. He has been playing great in 2022.
> Bernardeschi. He has been playing great in 2022. Please no - hes on 4.5mio and has achieved nothing with us. His stats are horrendous, and he really hasn't been that good this year despite him needing to give everything for a contract. We have a chance to do a proper reset an offload clear mistakes...renewing Berna and Desciglio is just throwing this opportunity away
I agree that his salary is ridiculous for what he brings to the table but I still think he has been significantly better in 2022. I would love to have an auxiliary player like him on the team.
In his entire 5 years, I have 1 game I remember where he showed something - that game vs Atleti. Thats it. He was playing for a contract this season, had tons of opportunities with all the injuries we had and was still forgetable - why not try to promote some of the youngsters like Ake who is considerably cheaper. Atleast if he doesnt work out you can make some money on a sale. Gotta accept a sunk cost here
> I'm even going to miss Bernardeschi. I actually think he'll renew (on lower wages)
Aguante los futbolistas Cordobeses carajo
Future Newcastle legend
I would kill to hear what Bonucci said to him. I was a critical of Dybi during his last few seasons but this absolute skewers me. Wish him a life of happiness and success wherever he ends up.
I find it weird that for a country known for being very much emotionally "On display" Italian fans seem to have a lot less problems with a fantastic player moving to a direct rival. So many seem to have played for at least two of Juve/ Inter/ AC Milan/ Napoli/ Roma/ Fiorentina. Some players seem to just have bounced around top Italian clubs. I suppose it happens everywhere but it seems far more noticeable in Italy.
why did it look like an ass grab at :20?
It probably was. Quite normal in football.
Slap ass
Leo you sneaky sonofabitch!!
Agnelli Maiale.
Title of the other video had me worried he got booed or something lol. Glad to see him get a proper send-off, looking forward to seeing what he does next season
👀
Come to Manchester!
Well, Juventus fans sure do appreciate him, so that’s good. I just hope him going to Inter doesn’t creat bad blood.
He could've fixed City's scoring problems, but instead they went for Robocop.
Where is he likely to go?? I'm a Tottenham fan and would love him to join us.
It was a wild ride, thanks for your contributions Dybala and Chellini.
He's crying because Arsenal lost and he won't go there anymore, not to play CL at least. And yeah, I'm bashing on my own disgrace.
to be honest .. with that farewell (and Dybala's reaction), i dont think Dybala will join Inter as Direct Rival next season .. hmm
He’s been a bit of a fugazi at Juve overall, always looked on the brink of being world class but never sustained a high level for very long
I did not watch him often, but he certainly had brilliant moments.
No idea why you are being downvoted. What you said is true. His peak was Juve 3-0 Barca of 2017
ppl downvoting dont watch italian football. there were at least 3 seasons where it was 'oh shit next season dybala is going to be a monster' then he'd be injured either before or early on in the season and then again at some point and just never get anything going.
2 X serie mvp not bad for someone who never got going