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Very annoying injury. He should totally sit out as long as needed and not risking a rupture of the tendon which would equal to him not playing in the WC. It would be sad to not watch him playing his (probably) last WC


fudgie1

A rupture would effectively be a career ender. Very difficult injury to come back from, especially at Messi's age. Different sport but Kobe Bryant tore his at a similar age. He was still world class before the injury then a shell of himself after.


mone3700

sports science has come a long way though, recently Kevin Durant came back last season in MVP form after an achilles rupture and he's only a year younger than Messi


internallylinked

After like 500 days though, hasn’t played from like May/June of 2019 to October/November of 2020


fudgie1

Durant is a special case. He has two physical attributes that are extremely useful in his sport and don't decline from injury or age: he's really tall and he has unusually long arms even for his height. Combined with his high skill level, he's a longevity dream player. Messi is undersized and his speed is an important weapon even if he doesn't exclusively rely on it. A slow Messi would have to reinvent his role and that's a difficult thing to ask at this age.


psychotichorse

Kobe actually played really well after the Achilles, it was his leg break that messed him up after that. He should have taken the full year to recover but he really wanted to come back before a year was up.


Laselecta_90

That leg break probably had to w prior Achilles tear. It’s all connected. Painful painful injury


Laselecta_90

Agreed


glycerethe

Not to mention this is his 3rd? injury this season?


latino666

that's weird, he very rarely was ever injured at Barça


BatumTss

You’re more injury prone as you age, it’s a significant factor, it’s usually what leads to retirement in your mid 30s for most players.


Nuttelas

and a surprise, PSG medical teams are fucking ass, this is coming from a Parisian, we don't have a great medical team, that's why most of the time, 4-7 of our players get injured just before the season started


heX_dzh

Bro he didn't age 10 years in a few months.


Descartavelmente

Achilles tendon truly is the Achilles heel of human beings.


LanaRhoades6969

Especially since they'll win their remaining matches without him


PattyIce32

I'm dealing with it right now, it's maddening. Even when it heals up, there's still a lot of residual tension and soreness. It also takes forever to even out the heel and get the balance back.


iAkhilleus

Same thing happened to Beckham before the 2010 WC while playing for Milan. He was in the England camp as a trainer and you could see the look in his eyes and what it meant to play in the WC. Hope Messi stays fit for the tournament and give us all one last grand show.


osprey94

I thought full ruptures took anywhere from 4-12 months so if he hurt himself bad at the end of this season he could prolly still play at the WC?


frankoo123

Give me an example of a player recovering to full strength after rupturing their Achilles’ tendon in four months let along someone that’s Messi’s age. Players like CHO and RLC on Chelsea took a year to recover and they’re still not the same as before the injury. Idk what you’re talking about lol


MyZt_Benito

a bit off topic, but why do some chelsea fans abbreviate their players names like that? I think I know who CHO is, but I have no idea who RLC is


rtnn

It's pretty common in PL overall. Players like TAA, VVD, KDB, JWP immediately come to mind.


LordLychee

Depends on the player. CHO and RLC are really long names. You would have to either call them Hudson-Odoi and Loftus-Cheek or CHO and RLC. Using just Odoi or Cheek feels wrong so the abbreviation comes into play. For example, I can’t imagine calling ESR, Rowe. Just feels wrong


dudipusprime

Probably bc they are long as fuck. I assume RLC is Loftus Cheek, I don't remember his first name.


frankoo123

Exactly, Ruben Loftus Cheek is just very tedious to type out lol


WaleedAbbasvD

We did it with MATS as well. Too long to type out I guess.


L-Freeze

I’ve never in my life heard anyone actually call him that in Spanish, “ter Stegen” is really not that long. That a recitation is mostly an english speaking thing.


osprey94

Okay sheeeeeesh I was just asking since I googled it and the Google machine told me 4-12 months. I see your point lol damn thanks for the downvotes everyone


reddit809

Only 3 athletes in sports history I know of came back feom that injury and still kept their level. Kobe, Durant and Dominique Wilkins. All basketball.


frankoo123

Kobe dropped off massively imo, he was never as good after the injury. I agree with Durant and I never watched Wilkins play.


reddit809

Idk about "massively" as much as the fact he had a tonnof mileage and was already on a natural decline. Kobe played since he was 17. His return season he kept up with a 23pt average but hung it up the following. Imo he would've been done withnor without the injury.


19Alexastias

No way you’re back from an Achilles rupture after 4 months.


osprey94

Thanks, after my comment got decimated and the other guy already responded to me I definitely hadn’t figured this out 🙄


FoulObelisk

if he still has two feet to stand on, he will definitely play one more WC after Qatar.


Jeffy29

WC isn't until end of the year.


YoungDawz

That means Di Maria can get a few games in before the end of his time at the club.


Aug415

He would’ve played anyways since Neymar is suspended


YoungDawz

True


osavpoiss

Di Maria is leaving? Where? Why? I thought he is still WC, no?


YoungDawz

Yes he is leaving. He hasn't decided on a club yet. He's been linked to Benfica and Rosario, but nothing from credible sources. We're simply not opting into his optional year of his contract. He's not world class anymore. In terms of chance creation he's still up there, but his legs and stamina aren't where they used to be for a whole season. His chance creation is also less needed when you already have Neymar and Messi in creative roles and we are sorely missing a player that can provide more verticality through runs and 1v1s rather than in the half space like Messi and Neymar.


ItzLeoo

I'll happily take Di Maria back at Benfica. Was one of my favorites growing up.


mrPockettt

He's not world class anymore? Maybe his stamina isn't great anymore but he was amazing last year especially in Copa America


maxiperalta54

not just last year, he's been lighting it up for the NT as of late.


InsignMertenCallejon

>last year he had one match-winning performance vs Lille and one good pass vs Brugge earlier in the season and that's really about it. Lots of poor performances from him for PSG this season, he isn't close to what he brought the team last season


wizardkell3y

He was also motm in the Copa final


InsignMertenCallejon

I don't know if you read what I wrote. My point was he hasn't shown any good performances the last months. Why would PSG care that he was good 9 months ago for Argentina, he needs to deliver now for psg for them to extend the contract and that he doesnt


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Messi Fans: We are kinda glad, that we don't have to watch Poch Haramball anymore


siriBackInWakanda

>Haramball Where is this word came from? What is its meaning? I have seen the same in twitter few times, one of them is tucheliban or something. No idea about these.


scifiphichipsi

"Haram" is a word used in Islam to mean "forbidden" (opposite of "halal") (I think, not muslim or arabic myself so happy to be corrected). I think its use on twitter in Haramball is a joke about PSG's style being very unpleasing on the eye (as in "the kind of football that should be forbidden"). Same kind of thing for Tucheliban (a not so subtle portmanteau of Tuchel and Taliban) - the joke there is that Tuchel is a "football terrorist", which is the kind of thing people on twitter say when they think the football a coach plays is too defensive (as opposed, I guess, to the football of Klopp and Pep which is seen as "football as it's meant to be played". Compare talk of Simeone's style as "anti-football", which trades on the same sort of idea)


siriBackInWakanda

Thanks for the explaination. It make much more sense now.


Perfidiousplantain

Another example is the 'cross and inshallah' meme


siriBackInWakanda

>inshallah It's from Islam also right? After googling it means God willing. I always thought that means cross and hope.


YoungDawz

>I always thought that means cross and hope. It kind of does. "God willing" pretty much means "if God wants it to be that way"


siriBackInWakanda

Funny enough that tactics actually work if you have player in the box that can head or score somehow. We are doing with de Jong too. Old tactics but effective. Zidane utilised it quite well.


miserablegit

Crosses are so underappreciated from a tactical perspective, simply because they look risky and random. In reality, a good winger-header combination remains one of the most lethal weapons to open up defenses.


Eftsy03

You're right because it basically means 'let Allah/God decide'. So kind of like 'cross and hope to god'


SundaenkVillashire

Well yes. Lol cross and god willing someone gets a damn a head or foot on the ball lol


Perfidiousplantain

Yeah, it refers to teams that spam crosses so that's a reasonable conclusion to reach.


Mathema_thicks

Used with the same intent so you're not far off


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william_wites

India is like 10%-15% Muslims and a large group hates them Its not surprising an Indian wouldn't know


siriBackInWakanda

What?


Shekster

Mashallah brother this is a great explanation, Alhamdulillah.


ChefBoyardee66

Haram is arabic and means forbidden/sinful


Tangelooo

Poch is the most overrated coach honestly. I’m so sick of how his teams play, just flat & boring.


Usingabrainunlikeyou

2nd injury, along with Covid. Also verratti has knee contusion.


username_takne

Read that as knee confusion lol I need some sleep


Albiceleste_D10S

Shut him down for the rest of the season, IMO


RIPinPeaceHypejob

Based on 800k a week salary thats around 10m euros per league goal. Honestly been a disaster signing. With his distance covered he's the most luxury of luxury players and the rest of the team isn't the right fit at all. Shame. Quelle dommage.


TheMexicanJuan

Good. Messi gets to rest for WC and PSG gets rinsed out of their slave money.


CementAggregate

trust me, PSG is getting a shit-ton more money out of having Messi in the team regardless of his performances (which have been pretty good, but as a different type of player)


inthelightofday

Now, if any of them would pay taxes...


Exells

PSG is the club in the world paying the most taxes though, particularly because of French high taxes (but still far from enough)


_Forsen

\+ The discussion between Ronaldo and Messi gets easier as Ronaldo can play in different clubs while Barca made Messi.


TheMexicanJuan

😐


prettyhappyalive

Lmao. These arguments are so dumb...Ronaldo goes to the best team in Italy and wins a few league titles...wow he really proved he was better than Messi.


umtiti

Messi goes to the best team in uber eats league and shits the bed


EljachFD

So now being the best passer in Europe, leading the assist chart for his league and having a better g/a ratio than ronaldo is shitting the bed? Jeez you have some really high expectations there


prettyhappyalive

First in Ligue 1 = shit the bed. Right m8


umtiti

3 goals from mr ballon d’or isnt shitting the bed? Take messi out the team and put any player on the bench and they still win the league easily. Take ronaldo out of that untied team and they will be 10th place


prettyhappyalive

I really don't know what you want Messi to do about it. It's clearly on Poch for not getting the best out of him, didnt he spend like 4 months out on the right wing? Guess what? Ronaldo still isn't winning any trophies this season. So much for the GOAT I guess. See how dumb this is?


umtiti

I want mr ballon d’or to score more than 3 goals in uber eats league, is that asking too much? You’re talking about psg being first place like hes been carrying them there when they would be first place without him. Ronaldo isnt winning any trophies this year because his team is dogshit unlike messi playing in the best team in the league


ireallydespiseyouall

as opposed to messi who joined psg to score 3 goals in the league


prettyhappyalive

Got a better g+a ratio per 90 than Ronaldo. Hate to tell you.


ORCA_WoN

Ronaldo has more game winning goals/assists than Messi this season. 17 to Messi’s 8. Hate to tell you.


prettyhappyalive

...And? Still got no trophies this season. And won't even finish top 4...some good scoring 3 on Norwich has done him. I'm not even a Ronaldo hater. The whole point of me bringing these stats up is to show how ridiculous you all are shitting on Messi for his "oNlY scOrEd 3 gOaLs" like he doesn't also have 13 assists in the league. I don't give a shit how many game winners Ronaldo has.


ORCA_WoN

This convo has been about who is the better player, you can’t just say oh I don’t give a shit about pure facts when talking about who the better player is. No one has made this convo about trophies, stop changing the goalposts. Ronaldo is *individually* performing better at a worse club in a harder league. Those are just facts.


osprey94

The worst thing about both Messi and Ronaldo’s careers, has been that fanboys can’t read about the “other” player without mentioning their boy. Seriously I think Ronaldo fans think about Messi more than Ronaldo himself does. And visa versa


_Forsen

Lol all im saying that its not all positives that messi plays like an absolute shit in that psg jersey.


osprey94

No one with a brain gives a fuck, the guy played for 15 years for barcelona, won everything with entirely different lineups under entirely different coaching teams, literally said he *didn’t* even want to leave, and joined a different team at 34. He could score 0 goals for the rest of his games at PSG and I don’t really think it matters. Dude is gonna play one last WC and go to the USA. No one cares about MJ deciding to randomly play baseball and no one will care about Messi spending a year or two at PSG a decade from now either — except as I mentioned before, the insufferable fanboys who can’t even hear the word “Lionel” mentioned without reciting the “despite 47 goals” they’ve memorized by now


sh2248

Plus Messi no longer plays as a goal scorer so it’s irrelevant to compare him to Ronaldo now. He’s mostly a playmaker.


san8912

Who would have tought that a 34year old player would find it difficult to addapt after switching the country he leaves in and the team he played for 20+ years.


_Forsen

oh nooo. we need to give our "best player in the world" at least 3 years before expecting him to score at least 4 goals in the 5th best league in the world in one of the most dominant teams in the history of ligue 1 :((


Taabie

Its not like Ronaldo has been a great succes after leaving that Real team has it? Or is your succes at a club only measured by how many goals your score?


ed1111

Lol if it was any other player putting the numbers Ronaldo was, you lot would be creaming all over him


Taabie

Your acting like he is putting up ridiculous numbers. Messi has like 2 goal contributions less then Ronaldo right now. The numbers should not matter when your underperforming and batteling for a CL spot for a second year in a row.


ed1111

101 goals 22 assists in 131 games for juventus 21 goals 3 assists in 34 games this season for United(for a 37 yr old in the prem), I think he’s pretty successful pal, like I said any other striker doing this at his age and u would be creaming


Taabie

I am not even saying its bad. Its just weird to hype up cr7 when his teams have been underperforming. Basing his succes at clubs on numbers alone is bullshit. He has been downhill since leaving Real. Acting like he has a way better season then Messi is weird.


ed1111

Can’t really go uphill from real Madrid buddy, especially with the success he had there


Taabie

Exactly the same could be said about Messi at Barca.


_Forsen

ronaldo plays in a much worse team in a much better league.


Taabie

Still underperforming. United should not be batteling for a Cl spot. Neither should Juve. He was part of both teams. Its praise Ronaldo when they win blame the team when he loses


_Forsen

its not ronaldos fault that his team is powered by maguire and friends.


YouJustGotZooked

Maguire and friends came second last season and were playing quite a bit better. Cry all you want about Liverpool having injury problems it doesn’t change the fact that since Ronaldo arrived the overall team has played worse.


umtiti

101 goals in 134 games ( fastest in juve history to 100 goals) 2 league titles and a coppa italia at 34-36 years old isnt great success?


Taabie

Look at where he came from. He was argaubly at the top of his game at Real. Won 3 CL's in a row. He went from 7 times CL topscorer in a row to barely getting 10+ at Juve. There is a reason Juve let him go. Goals alone dont win you shit. Ronaldo can get all the records he wants, if his team is underperforming like his teams have done for years now he doing something wrong.


ORCA_WoN

Ronaldo did *win shit* at Juve lol, wtf are you even talking about. Without him and his goals they don’t win the league 2 of the 3 years he was there. Stop moving the goalposts to favour your clearly biased view against Ronaldo.


Taabie

Without his goals they won 7 serie a's in a row. I dont move anything bro. I gave you clear reasons that he has never got close to his levels at Madrid after leaving. If you want to call ronaldo's years at Juve a succes go ahead, but dont call Messi at PSG a failure at the same time.


kucafoia69

>gets rinsed out of their slave money. That's such a childish and dumb view, PSG made truckloads of money by hiring Messi. And Argentina is not winning the WC get the fuck outta here lol.


Andy-Is-Hot

I want to make it clear that he has not been worth the money for his on field performance and he makes Lukaku look like Kante but yet he still leads the league in assists (actually Mbappe took over i think)


Shekster

Literally over 60% of his assists have been against only 2 teams who are both in the bottom 4 lol. As much as people don't want to admit it, Messi has contributed almost nothing to PSG and has been an absolute flop of a transfer so far. PSG would have walked the league without him anyways, and in the UCL it was him who missed his penalty which ultimately lost the tie against Madrid. Ironically the talk during preseason was how Ronaldo would hold his team back due to him magically losing his legs as was the narrative back then. In reality, Messi has held this team back as their already unbalanced and top-heavy squad now has to deal with another player with even less workrate and defensive contribution.


LordSpeechLeSs

> missed his penalty which ultimately lost the tie against Madrid Although I agree with your overall comment, I think this point is misleading when Donnarumma and Marquinhos absolutely shat the bed. Mendes and Kimpembe looked lost out there too.


Andy-Is-Hot

Im dealing with enough idiots right now, I already said he has been bad and doesn’t work hard enough.


Shekster

And I said him leading the league in assists is an almost irrelevant justification when considering simple context. >Im dealing with enough idiots right now I'll leave you to deal with yourself, as you said.


Andy-Is-Hot

seems you and everyone else think im praising or justifying anything with his assists, weird blinders you all have on


HokiesforTSwift

he didn't overtake Mbappe in assists (15), and 8 of Messi's 13 assists have come against Clermont Foot and St Etienne which are in 18th and 17th, respectively.


ancara_messi

What's your take on Ronaldo's hattrick against the worst PL side Norwich?


HokiesforTSwift

Given that they needed all 3 of his goals to win that match when they are in a fight for a CL spot it’s much more impactful than having three assists against a team who couldn’t afford a week of PSG’s wages (Clermont Foot) when you already have the league won. Context is critical, once again.


ancara_messi

That reply is fucking pathetic lol. Just twisting the narrative depending on the player If the roles were reversed you would 100% not say this lmao


HokiesforTSwift

How is it pathetic? Those three goals were more important to his team's season than 3 assists against Clermont were to PSG. They won 6-1 and have a huge, insurmountable points lead. Their season is over.


ancara_messi

Diminishing the value of goals and assists depending on the teams position is dumb af. A goal is worth the same and an assist is worth the same regardless of where the team is placed on the table Unbelievably dumb argument. Especially when Ronaldo is known for statpadding his international career against European minnows. Your logic goes against you there


elliebellyberry

ankara messi


WaleedAbbasvD

> Given that they needed all 3 of his goals to win that match How does that make Norwich a hard team to score against? They're still dead last with the 2nd most goals conceded after Leeds. United have a mare defensively doesn't making scoring against Norwich harder. > Context is critical, once again. Sure, it is. Weird how you're ignoring it then.


HokiesforTSwift

I'm not ignoring it at all though... I'm explicitly diving into the context. Yes, if we are discussing where his league production comes from this would be considered scoring against a bottom table team. Most of his production this season has not come against bottom table teams though as a whole. In the context of the Norwich match, much like the Tottenham match about a month ago, they needed all three of his goals to get 3 points in a very tight race to secure a CL spot. The hat-trick against Tottenham was particularly critical, but every point until the end of the season will be crucial in the race for the 4th spot. Also, do you know anything about the sizes of clubs like Norwich and Clermont Foot? It's not even close to the same thing. Norwich's operating expenses in 20/21 were almost £100M. Clermont Foot came up from Ligue 2 with a budget of 11M Euros.


WaleedAbbasvD

> I'm not ignoring it at all though Weird how you only mentioned context that was favourable while ignoring the rest. > Yes, if we are discussing where his league production comes from this would be considered scoring against a bottom table team. Which was the original point before you started going off on irrelevant tangents. > Most of his production this season has not come against bottom table teams though as a whole. Most is debatable. Almost half his goals are against the bottom half. He failed to score/assist against any of the top 3 despite being the primary threat. > do you know anything about the sizes of clubs like Norwich and Clermont Foot? It's not even close to the same thing. Norwich's operating expenses in 20/21 were almost £100M. This is irrelevant. Relegation level la liga teams also have a fraction of the budget that Norwich/Leeds have yet are harder to score against.


Cudizonedefense

Imagine being this thickheaded and butthurt about something so insignificant. Take your BP meds, drink a glass of water, and go to bed


WaleedAbbasvD

> Imagine being this thickheaded and butthurt How was I butthurt? He made some points, I addressed them and vice versa. > something so insignificant. Everything on this subreddit is insignificant buddy. > Take your BP meds, drink a glass of water, and go to bed Mate, take your own advice. Maybe you'll learn to read and we'll hear less whining.


youngchul

What's your take on Ronaldo's hattrick against Spurs?


ORCA_WoN

I mean it’s game winning to keep them in the race for Champions League. What about his hattrick against Tottenham?


zizoulegoat5

So you‘re telling me Messi is padding his stats against low tier clubs? Tell me something new.


Kychu

Won his last 2 Ballon d'Ors based on stad padding against cucumbers in La Liga. Been overrated for a while now.


Taabie

Any club outside Real and Atletico are ''cucumbers'' when messi scores against them. Give me a break


Kychu

The guy's been utter trash in big games for the past 4-5 years. I always said he'd be completely lost once he leaves his comfort zone in Barcelona and his spell at PSG has proven I was right.


Taabie

He has proven at Argentina that theory is bullshit for years now. 4-5 years? Tell me what was the last time Ronaldo was the CL topscorer. Messi was on fire that 2019 season. Also you just know ''utter trash in big games'' means he wasnt on the scoresheet because how else could one have a good game right? Dindt he also score against both PSG and City these past seasons?


Kychu

At Argentina because he won that Mickey Mouse cup where they have 1 serious competitor? Can't be compared with Euros I'm afraid, not even close. Ronaldo was with Juve and scored all of their CL knockout goals during his first 2 years there. Check Messi's stats from CL knockout away games and compare to Ronaldo's. Ronaldo would have had much better stats had he stayed at Madrid but he had no problems with adapting at another club unlike Messi.


Taabie

''knockout away games'' so laugable bro. ''Ronaldo would have had much better stats had he stayed at Madrid but he had no problems with adapting at another club unlike Messi.'' But he did. He went from 3 straight Ucl's to 3 straight UCL humilations after he left Madrid, He was mediocre against Ajax, shit in the first Lyon game and out right pathetic in both porto games. That mickey mouse cup had harder compitition then Ronaldo faced in his won euros btw. Hungary, Wales Poland? The only serious team they faced was in the final and guess who did not play? But thats besides the point. Messi has 80 goals and 50 assists outside his ''Barca comfort zone''.


Andy-Is-Hot

It means nothing to me who people score or assist against, everyone has to play everyone. Its not someone’s fault they destroy a lesser team, if it was so easy everyone would do the same.


HokiesforTSwift

It's noteworthy when over half of your production came in 3 matches in a league season. Those 8 assists could only help win a total of 9 points. Also, his xA is only 7.3, suggesting that his teammates are doing a great job of finishing lower quality chances. 7.3 is still really good, but almost anytime someone has a ton of assists this is the case that they (their teammates, really) are vastly overperforming their xA.


Andy-Is-Hot

Not noteworthy to me, you could nitpick stats like that for everyone. Shouldn’t be a surprise people play well against poor teams.


HokiesforTSwift

You can just say you like Messi and don't want to have a real discussion about the context in which he's produced (and mostly not produced) this season.


Andy-Is-Hot

I just think it’s nonsensical, if everyone else plays those teams it doesn’t matter because they have the exact same opportunity to replicate the same stats.


City-Gold

So if Lukaku scores two hat tricks against the bottom two teams and ends the season in double digits, would you say he had a decent first season because of his stats?


Andy-Is-Hot

Seems you didn’t read my original comment, nowhere have I said Messi is having a good season. I don’t typically judge players by numbers. Im simply pointing out how he has a lot of assists, I don’t care who they’re against but in general if a player has good games against lower teams I cant see how we can hold that against them.


SuperSaiyanRonaldo

Oui Eiberman 2.0


burnerforrandominfo

Did you see how many times Mbappe has touched a ball in the box? It's very easy for a forward to just give the ball to Mbappe and let him do his thing. Easy stat padding of assists and if you look at the oppositions too you'll know bigger picture


PrisonersofFate

Quel dommage. Not quelle. There are others metrics that the number of goal scored to judge a player


Howdareme9

Sure, but Messi has still been very poor. 3 league goals is inexcusable despite his assists.


siriBackInWakanda

According to his standard he has way too poor in the final third. Not a good standard for top 10 players in the world based on club football.


PrisonersofFate

Did you actually watch the games?


Howdareme9

Do you?


PrisonersofFate

Yep. Good thing living in France and that both West Ham and PSG almost never play at the same time. I've missed only a few.


MagneticWoodSupply

His forward ball progression and final pass stats are actually really strong. He's been struggling and it's been a poor season for him without a doubt but his playmaking has been very good.


PrisonersofFate

Yeah. He is underperforming but he isn't Jese like bad.


Dak_Tiny_PP

3 goals is 3 goals


PrisonersofFate

Big if true. Still, his impact on PSG's game is good, he assists, creates chances and make things happen. And between the offsides, and the posts he hit, he could be at 12-15 goals. Not saying he is doing great but far from terrible or very bad. Also, French league is far from shit and Premier league teams always remember that between July and August Have you watched PSG games for saying that?


Dak_Tiny_PP

Offsides, hitting the post etc... are talking about Messi or Timo Werner? Oh wait they've both been atrocious this season


PrisonersofFate

You have not watched, you can say it man.


HeroeDeFuentealbilla

lol at using distance covered to make judgement on a player type like that. Like saying ronaldo has been a flop at United since he doesn’t dribble players 1-1 anymore.


literallyarandomname

I don't think distance covered is a good metric to value a player, but even if you ignore that, he only would be a disaster signing if PSG would care about money. But they don't. This is the club that turned down 200 million for one more season of Mbappe, they don't give a damn how many zeros they have to pay their players. Yes, it would be even better if Messi was smashing goals in left and right, but I think he fulfilled his primary purpose at PSG, which is to attract attention to the club.


LumpyEducation2588

I believe he always wants to perform well for whatever team he’s playing for but he obviously has little to no passion for PSG for so many reasons. I think his priority is to maintain fitness and avoid injury to be best prepared for the World Cup. PSG should’ve known this otherwise they are terribly naïve. He was definitely a marketing signing and they have probably made a bunch of money off his Jersey sales and ticket sales to see him play


Laselecta_90

The PSG curse


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Who said anything about a cadaver?


FrmrPresJamesTaylor

Good point, it could have been a live donor. (They're making a joke about the clumsy wording in the post title, which seems to imply Messi was injured *with* an Achilles tendon instead of stating that he suffered an injury *to his* Achilles tendon.)


Shekster

Sadly this move has been one of the biggest transfer flops in football. Somewhat ironic considering the narrative before the season started was that Ronaldo would hold his team back because he doesn't have the legs anymore, when in reality, Messi has arguably held this PSG side back by adding an extra defensive liability for their already unbalanced XI to cope with. Also his reputation + the way PSG operates makes him virtually undroppable which doesn't exactly help Poch either. Him scoring the majority of his (literally just 3) goals against bottom half sides as well as over 60% of his assists against only 2 teams that are 17th and 18th haven't helped PSG at all in winning the league, as they would have done so without him anyways. In the UCL they were still knocked out in the RO16 with the most expensive team in the history of football, and don't forget it was Messi's missed penalty in that game that ultimately knocked them out. Of course, nothing will detract from his past achievements, but it is sad as a football fan to see such a massive and almost instantaneous decline.


FrmrPresJamesTaylor

I don't know what anyone expected of Messi at PSG, I think the clearest commonality with his and Ronaldo's transfers is both players just sort of dropped into the laps of a club that did not in any way plan their season around acquiring them. Given that, and given PSG has two other world class talents to build their attack through (one of whom they are desperately trying to keep happy in the hopes of retaining him), I don't find it very surprising that Messi has been on the margins this season. Expecting him to become some sort of straightforward role player who runs his socks off and does the dirty work for others just seems ludicrous - like blaming your Ducati for not being able to accomodate an infant car seat. I don't know if it's "sad" or not, to me it's sad that Barcelona mismanaged their affairs so badly that it all came to this - after that situation became inevitable I don't think there was really a great situation for Messi to just parachute into where he'd be put in a position to create offense like we all became accustomed to.


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>I don't know what anyone expected of Messi at PSG there is no way someone who has an operating mind thought he would preform like that, man is the greatest of all time and plays against part time footballers i am not overstating when i say there were people who betted on him to score 50+goals in league allone.


FrmrPresJamesTaylor

Oh I'm sure there were.. I am intimating that they were out of touch with reality. Every year since Mbappe established himself at PSG he gets around or above 20 goals, they get 10+ goals from Neymar and maybe one or two other players score 10 or more. Was PSG going to smash their record for Ligue 1 goals by 40-50? Or were they going to force Mbappe to take a back seat (guaranteeing his departure) to Messi so he could get his usual touches, penalties, etc to give him a chance to amass those totals? If PSG had splashed in at the beginning of the window to acquire Messi one might believe they would plan their season around him, but this clearly went the other way - Barcelona botched everything, were forced to cut him loose, and PSG picked the low hanging fruit. They were not going to make him the centerpiece of their offense, and while 3g 13a is less than I would have guessed, my guess would probably have been closer to that than to 50 goals.


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He was last season ballon d'or winner and we know when club plays around him he makes some crazy numbers in term of contributions (just look at him in Valverde Era) if you are going to get the goat who is also system player. You should play him in his optimum way. No one could have thought their center peice of the project was someone who has 1 year left in his contract and Att 99% gonna leave you in summer.


realsomalipirate

Father time is undefeated and Messi was always going to have to decline at some point.


Fuzzy-Pop6951

Messi also doesn't treat his body like a temple like ronaldo. Messi could def lose 4 to 5 percent body fat.


Monkeywithalazer

I think thats harsh. Nobody is Ronaldo, except maybe Maldini, who at 40 was as fit as ever. Messi is exceptionally fit for his age. The problem is he is 35. Same issue with the CL game where barca was humiliated against Bayern. The attacking Trio was Messi Suarez and Vidal. In 2015 that would have been hell to deal with for any team. in 2021 they are all in their mid 30s


WaleedAbbasvD

> Him scoring the majority of his (literally just 3) goals If you want him to score more, change his role. He's getting far less chances in front of goal compared to Barca/Argentina. He wouldn't have double digit goals even if he was converting at the same rate as Lewa or Ronaldo. > and don't forget it was Messi's missed penalty in that game that ultimately knocked them out. Yes, certainly the defensive mistakes whilst being 2-0 up weren't the primary factor. Amazing how people can write this shit.


MrAchilles

Sorry guys


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how serious is this injury? I injured my achilles tendon (pulled, I think) while doing insanity workout (while jumping).... as a 36 year old, I'm pretty concerned albeit I can walk just fine a week later..


Ianthorwest

When will Mbappe announce his decision?


YoungDawz

At the very least after the title is secured. But considering he's chasing the golden boot, I doubt he does it until the season is completely over and after he takes a break.


Lilfai

What do you think the % is of him staying / going to Madrid?


YoungDawz

At this point 90% he goes to Madrid, 10% he extends for us for 2 to 3 years tops. Which looks better than at the start of the season where I thought it was 99% Madrid.


0-o-o_o-o-0

I'm sure they'll cope against the mighty... Angers


Guilty_pleasure001

Needs proper rest and treatment to recover from this injury as it is known to have been a cause for ending careers!