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Yeshuu

Do you think VAR encourages players to feign injuries so that there can be a stoppage in the game which allows the VAR ref to review a potential penalty/Red Card? Common sense would say that there would be less diving, but if you have an extra 2 minutes to slow a replay down and turn it into an incident, that could allow the VAR ref to catch something that might be missed if the game quickly moved on.


BludFlairUpFam

Today shows the reall good side of Zaha. His hold up play at times is brilliant and he uses quick feet so well to create space where it doesn't feel like there is any. I do wish we had a chance to see him (post United) in a situation where he was playing alongside better players to see how he would link up with them. My only real complaint about Crystal Palace this season is that we haven't been able to see Zaha, Olise and a fully fit Eze for any extended period


taylorstillsays

Gallaghers stopped that from happening for the large part. He works best when there’s 2 more disciplined midfielders next to him, so it’s hard to put him and Eze on the pitch


BludFlairUpFam

Good point. I think if Eze hadn't been injured we may have seen more of Zaha up front on occasions where Ayew isn't needed as much to get the 3 of them together though


truthibespittin

The more I watch Guehi the more I become pissed off with the boards short-sighted thinking. This was a player who had a ridiculously high ceiling, who was one of the best CB’s in the Championship at the tender age of 20 and had 2yrs left on his contract, what was the need to sell him for so little? Actually what was the need to sell him at all? Regardless of his desire to want guaranteed first team football otherwise he wouldn’t sign a new contract, we still should’ve have kept him and risked him running down his contract because the fee we got for him was minimal. We sold a player for 18m who we could’ve sold for about 12m the season after if he didn’t sign. It was stupid short-sightedness that a few years from now we will live to regret 🤦🏾‍♂️


AnnieIWillKnow

I understand your frustrations, but I don't think £18m for a 20 year old with no top flight experience is really a "minimal fee" - and I think the drop in fee would have been a lot more after another year He'd not have been used at Chelsea, let's be real. It does mean we lose out on players but the policy Chelsea have of not generally standing in players' ways when they want to move for playing time is in a sense good long term planning - for one it always us to get decent fees for surplus, and for two because it means players are happy to sign for Chelsea, knowing we won't hold them prisoner in the future. With the game we play with our young players, you win some, you lose some. Guehi might well turn out to be a loss. It's frustrating, but the overall big picture is of a successful policy.


BI01

It's incredible the shit u can say when a big team loses that will get upvoted 🤣. Anyway I see united getting top 4 now their defence, midfield and attack is better than ours and spurs 👍👍 /s


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Arsenal need to put Flores in the starting XI


TheDeadpanFlan

Arsenal 🤝 Losing 3-0 away to Crystal Palace Tottenham


Zillak

Looks like Vieira has some serious managerial chops. Is he ready for a big job or should he stay in Palace?


AnnieIWillKnow

He's only been there for half a season, and that has been an inconsistent one. Way too soon to say he's ready for a bigger job - was mixed in the MLS, and at Nice. Give him a few years at Palace to really build this project he's started, and then we'll know more.


LucozadeBottle1pCoin

I know they’re questionable, but 538 now have Arsenal down to 52% chance of top-4 (from 66% this morning), and Tottenham up to 44% (from 33% this morning).


typicalpelican

I don't think you need 538 to tell you that when Spurs win and Arsenal lose, Spurs chances will go up and Arsenal's will go down. The question is how useful are the numbers they spit out. Maybe useful if you are planning a large # of bets.


BlursedLasagna1

Sleep paralysis but it’s Steven Warnock in his glasses stood in your bedroom


Good_Kev_M-A-N_City

Sounds like a good time to me


jim0wheel1

You’ve gotta fucking DIE for 40 winks.


OnOff58

You may want to read that again


jim0wheel1

Everyone knows that’s Stevie’s catchphrase


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HardensPuubes

If I was vlahovic I’d fall the same way. Only way for the ref to take notice. He also got body checked everytime he jumped for a header and the ref didn’t call shit


AnnieIWillKnow

VAR is constantly reviewing all incidents, so there's no need to cheat to get the officials' attention, anymore. If serious foul play was committed, then VAR would alert the on-field referee.


Yeshuu

You have to dive more I would argue. You need to create a stoppage in the game to allow the VAR ref to review the incident especially for penalties and red cards. Otherwise, the game moves on and the incident is forgotten.


G_Comstock

Why should the ref take notice? It was nothing. If football hadn't tied itself in knots he would simply be retrospectively carded for simulation and we all move on.


Accomplished-Ad-6007

If I were a Liverpool fan in Anfield in the Inter game, I would hesitate a second to shout "Do you have your balls Vidal?" That was such a jerk statement by him


OnOff58

What?


Wasssan

If Arteta getting top 4 with Lacazette as his main 9p, he should get manager of the decade award. He hasn't scored a non-penalty goal in over 19 hours of PL football.


COYSnizle

He wont


foot_99

Hasn’t scored a non pen goal since I put him in my FPL team 😎 Same thing happened to Werner last season lol and at that point I just accept I’m keeping them for the greater good


mosalad29

I mean he had auba but he wanted him gone


StarlordPunk

Because Auba was absolutely terrible this season, even more so than the end of last season where he wasn’t exactly flying. He’d checked out entirely and needed to move on for both their benefits


mosalad29

it's on arteta , what did he benefit with having one less player?


StarlordPunk

Aubameyang was playing so badly that getting rid was a net positive


Jabari313

I think Auba needed to leave. He was missing sitters for the past 18 months, his overall play is lacking, he's on crazy wages and he's a senior player with a shiny attitude. Some players just need a change of scenery as well


BI01

Auba was worse, a blackhole upfront who can't pass or holdup


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BI01

Okay? He wasn't going to get better at arsenal head was gone, even had his Gabon coach faking illnesses for him lol


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don’t disagree with arteta selling him, just that selling a top quality striker then complaining about not having a striker is dumb


BI01

He wasn't top quality for 18 months though tried to get vlahovic but he said no. Obviously if we miss top 4 by 1 or 2 points you can look at our lack of transfers in Jan as a reason why we failed.


Wasssan

Auba was tanking.


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Holy fuck. I knew he was bad, but I didn't know he was that bad.


LemureTheMonkey

Break in the middle of a meeting. Porto goal notification. "Oh it must have been one of the usual suspects...". 3-0 - Zaidu. Someone delete Santa Clara...


FIJIBOYFIJI

I got Zaidu foe like 2mil on fm22, he was a great backup lwb. Shame he's not that good in real life though


LemureTheMonkey

20/21 Champions League group stage breakout LB.


tiorzol

You're working late


LemureTheMonkey

Last friday we had a meeting to decide if we would stop working from home and go back to the office, that meeting lead nowhere so here we are...


TheParaplegicPanda

Is Ben white still better than Romero?


Wasssan

We won't know until Romero plays in a back 4.


zeezymac1

bens shite in back 3 too


TheParaplegicPanda

Argentina


tiorzol

I used to think he was average but maybe he's a bit shit.


icemankiller8

Obviously not he never was Don’t think it’s fair to blame him for this game tho Gabriel was worse and no one played well


anip94

pressure and inexperienced getting to milan now, inter will always have the advantage in this case


Modalchemist

[Edmilson goal vs Costa Rica in 2002](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBGiP0XPQmM) is so fucking satisfying


YourPupilsDilated

Roma are 5 points behind Juve who occupy the final CL place in Serie A. If they'd shown even a modicum of composure in either of their two games against the Old Lady, they'd be 4th right now, conceivably even with a bit of a cushion. With the greatest respect to Roma, while they have shown positives under Mourinho, they aren't a very good team. And for such a team to potentially be that close to a CL spot really is an indictment on the state of Serie A right now. It's an entertaining product in the sense that with teams like Juve, Inter, Milan, Roma, Napoli, Atalanta, Lazio and even to a lesser extent Fiorentina and Sassuolo you have good teams. But the quality at the top right now is so so poor. If the season ended today and the current top 4 got into the CL, the only way either of the teams would reach a CL quarter-final is if they get a favourable draw. Something really has to happen to improve the level of the league.


Misdefined

I disagree, I believe the competitiveness of the league this season came to the detriment of the clubs in the CL/EL. Inter and Milan have both been completely focused on the league, while Juve have been struggling with injuries to multiple first team players. In another world we wouldn't have been playing Rugani vs Villareal, or we would have had Chiesa available, or McKennie available, or at the very least more subs available for Allegri to make changes before the trainwreck that happened. I do believe Juve, Inter, and Milan have the quality to compete in the CL. Obviously they're not on the level of City, Liverpool, or Bayern, but they can definitely get to the semis or even win if they get the right amount of luck. >And for such a team to potentially be that close to a CL spot really is an indictment on the state of Serie A right now. They're not "that close". They're 5 points off 4th place. And that's aside from the fact that 4th place is Juve who threw away many many many games at the start of the season.


elnander

Torn on Lacazette. He's not been on goal scoring form but anyone who's seen him in our big wins knows how important he's been in our build up play. It'll be difficult to find someone who can fit that mould but also actually score some fackin goals.


StarlordPunk

Pull a Joelinton with him and drop him deeper to chuck a proper striker in there to feed off, see what happens. Might be great, might just be another sign to get him moved on


elnander

I had thought of that. Near the beginning of the season, Laca was benching Ode in the 10 role dropping just behind Aubameyang, it was interesting how he played there.


RomeoLavia

I'm starting to think that de Tomas might actually be the man for you lot until someone better pops up in a year or two


Wasssan

He hasn't scored an open play goal in over 19 hours of PL football.


GerGavin

He is shit please stop he needs to leave and be replaced by an actual striker.


elnander

Ffs I didn't say he should stay for that reason calm the fuck down lmao. He is our top assister though and I'm just saying he filled a unique role up front for us there.


FIJIBOYFIJI

Leicester only being in 10th is really poor, imo Rodgers' job should be in danger given they've actually spent money this season.


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Every single one of our players (at least it seems) has been injured for a not insignificant period of time, many of them at the same time. It's not poor at all. Within the past 12 months we have beaten the European champions to win the FA cup, the League champions to win the CS, taken 4 points off the biggest club in the world*... We're in a good place mate, he's doing fine. If you ever get back up you will find out that the PL is a ridiculously competitive league, no one has the right to expect results by throwing money at the problem. Take Everton & United as examples.


GerGavin

Well done Palace well deserved they played like they were chasing CL and we played like we were mid table playing for nothing. Hope Nuno Tavares never plays for us again he is awful and Martin was invisible all night until he gave away the penalty, 3-0 was a bit harsh but we deserved nothing hopefully this game isn’t the usual game that derails Arsenals season and this shocker galvanizes us.


tiorzol

So many of your players had the worst game I've seen from them ever, was bizarre.


icemankiller8

Any arsenal fan who genuinely believed top 4 was sealed was dumb tbh spurs always had a good chance and rn they have a better chance.


elnander

We're really fucked for our final fixtures too.


icemankiller8

People looked at all those tough away games and thought it would be easy still


mister_greenman

The funny thing was people brushing off fixtures like Palace away, despite them having given most strong teams a very hard time. Saints away will be a similar story I imagine, have been a bit poo recently but they've got a good record against top teams.


icemankiller8

Yeah those guys are dumb they look at the position see they’re lower and think it’s easy that’s now how it is we have a terrible record there too


Luis_Carlos_Almeida

Even though Partey was really bad. Him getting injured is a really BIG miss for Arsenal. That coupled with having to play Tavares at left-back because of Tierney being injured makes me think Spurs will get top 4.


Wasssan

Xhaka is going to be our left-back for the rest of the season, which isn't too bad.


thesmallprint13

> which isn't too bad Mate...


Wasssan

It genuinely wouldn't. He played well there last season.


Jabari313

Any chance of Saka moving back


KimmyBoiUn

It would be silly to play your best forward there, even though he'd capable of it.


BI01

Why? Chelsea's most threatening players are there full backs, we used to play back 3 with saka lwb, and ofc he was our best player lol, xhaka will be lb though.


OldSolution1

Here's some propaganda tactics I've noticed in Messi/Ronaldo threads. 1.) Ronaldo scores/assists a goal: *We're so lucky to have them both. Messi and Ronaldo are the greatest players to ever play even at their old age.* 2.) Messi scores/assists a goal: *Messi is just mesmerizing. No one comes close.* Another example is everyone suddenly highlighting how Messi and Ronaldo are just old and having poor seasons now even though Ronaldo is clearly having a much better season than Messi. They just lump them together when convenient and separate them when it suits their agenda. The language is carefully chosen and extremely biased for propaganda purposes but hey, I could be wrong.


Misdefined

Messi fans have a weird inferiority complex. It's been like that ever since Ronaldo's 4/5 CL run. Nonetheless, Ronaldo has the all time world record in basically every single meaningful stat (I think it's only most goals in calendar year that Messi has). Most goals scored ever, most international goals, most CL goals, most CL assists, most CL goals in one season, and most hattricks off the top of my head. That's aside from the fact that Ronaldo is *by far* the more clutch player of the two, with way more memorable games than Messi. When was the last time we saw Messi single handedly carry a game like Ronaldo did vs Tottenham last week, vs Spain in 2018, vs Atletico in 2019, vs Juve in 2017 and 2018, vs Bayern in 2016 and 2017, vs Wolfsburg, etc. Legit, the last time I can point to a game like that from Messi was in the early 2010s. Ronaldo also has proved himself in 3 of the biggest leagues in the world, playing with teams that played completely different playstyles in each. Messi is barely making an impact in Ligue 1 with possibly the best players in the world around him. These are the things that people are gonna see in 30 years, and it's why I consider Ronaldo the GOAT. I do believe Messi's peak was higher than Ronaldo's (his record goalscoring year was nuts). But in terms of overall career Ronaldo just takes the cake. Edit: And just for clarity sake, I don't think Ronaldo is *miles* ahead of Messi. I think they are on the same tier of players. I just prefer one over the other for the above reasons, and I think my opinion is extremely reasonable. One thing I notice is that Messi fans also just can't admit that the debate is very real. They'll say Messi is on another planet and there's no debate at all. It's one thing to say Messi is better than Ronaldo for this reason this reason this reason and another thing to say Messi is miles ahead of Ronaldo because you watched them both and Messi looks like he plays better, lol. That's the part that makes me think it's some sort of inferiority complex.


_Smokin_

Messi-Ronaldo debates in 2022


probably_dutch

Why would you voluntarily read threads about Messi and Ronaldo, like what did you expect


OldSolution1

What do you mean? Should I pretend I don't read highly upvoted, highly gilded threads about very popular players? I'm not that hipster, lol.


StarlordPunk

Don’t pretend that you don’t, actually don’t read them. They just have the same recycled comments every time


probably_dutch

Sure but don't act surprised when those threads are full of morons and fanboys


icemankiller8

Ronaldo is having a worse year than Messi and Messi has been better for at least the last 4 years. The language is used simply because Messi is better than Ronaldo Ronaldo even being compared to Messi is generous to him


Misdefined

>Ronaldo is having a worse year than Messi and Messi has been better for at least the last 4 years. Lmao. Messi is playing in a far better team in a way worse league and has about the same goal contribution per game as Ronaldo does. That's aside from the fact that Ronaldo's goals have been far more impactful, saving United's ass in pretty much every meaningful win they've had. When was the last time Messi scored the winner for PSG, lol. You've got to be seriously deluded to believe they're having even remotely similar seasons.


icemankiller8

Wow Ronaldo got them through the group stage? What an impact how far are they gonna go? Yeah they aren’t similar Messi is clearly better


Misdefined

You're on some real copium, wow. Did you just disregard all the points I made to make a completely irrelevant claim? Here I'll make it easier for you: 1- PSG is FAR better than United. 2- Ligue 1 is FAR weaker than the PL. Based on the above, we can extrapolate that Messi *should* have more goal contributions than Ronaldo does. But no, they're about the same. On top of that, Ronaldo's goal contributions have been by FAR more impactful than Messi's this season. I don't care about who got knocked out where, we're talking about their individual performances and what should be expected from them.


icemankiller8

I don’t give a fuck about any of the things you said which is why I ignored them. More impactful player doesn’t mean better player. Sure Ronaldo has had more big moments that doesn’t mean he’s better, it means he has more big moments. He also didn’t show up in a bunch of games which does matter. Ronaldo has gone through 4 games in row with no goals and assists twice that is bad for someone who is only there for that. Messi started slower but songs his first goal and assist he has only gone 2 games without a goal or assist. Sure he’s in an easier league but he’s performed better.


Misdefined

> I don’t give a fuck about any of the things you said which is why I ignored them. More impactful player doesn’t mean better player. You don't give a fuck because it directly contradicts your objectively *wrong* point of view. >Messi started slower but songs his first goal and assist he has only gone 2 games without a goal or assist. Sure he’s in an easier league but he’s performed better. Rephrase that. He's in a **much** easier league and with a **much** better team. PSG have scored 15 more goals in the league than United have. Ronaldo has a much higher goal contribution % to his team than Messi does.


OldSolution1

Lol, here's a live example. Mate here carefully chose year so that he can gotcha me with Messi having more g/a *this year* which is literally just 3 months in. Let's look at the whole season instead? Ronaldo has performed better in the league (joint 3rd top scorer) and better in the CL (only reason united made it out of the group). How could anyone argue otherwise? Messi has 3 goals in 20 games and he's surrounded by talents like Mbappe, Neymar and Veratti against farmer's league opponents. *Oh but he doesn't care, he's conserving himself, he's on vacation ...* When do you lot stop?


icemankiller8

For the whole season Messi has been better, in the league Messi has been better Ronaldo went through 2 4 game goals and assist droughts and he has scored 2 pens to elevate his tally. 10 in 21 starts is fine but again he has not scored in many games he has just scored multiple in those games he scored in he isn’t a consistent scorer. Messi started slow but he’s put up consistent goals and assists now. 3 goals in 20 games with the most assists in Ligue 1 isn’t as bad more goal involvements in the league without pens and a better per 90 record. Who cares if Ronaldo played better in the group stage of a tournament they went out in at the next hurdle anyway? Again even if you think he’s been better this year that’s fine but Messi overall is a far far better player and that’s why people say things like “wow these 2,” when Ronaldo does well and people say Messi is the greatest when he shows himself as the greatest


OldSolution1

Is this guy serious? Messi is showing up with consistent goals? What? And yes, Ronaldo scored multiple in the same game. Yes, a fucking hattrick against Tottenham LMAO. Can't believe you're holding that *against* him.


icemankiller8

Messi got his first goal and assist against Nantes in the league, since then the most he’s gone without a goal or assist is 2 games. Compared to Ronaldo who’s gone through 2 separate 4 games without a goal or assist this season. Great that hattick is cool where was he against Watford? Or Leicester? Or Burnley? Or Leicester? Or villa etc. Scoring in a lot of games is more valuable than statpadding a few goals then going missing for weeks on end when the team needs you


-Dwarf-

>Ronaldo is having a worse year than Messi Yeah both are being shit this season but this, isnt true.


icemankiller8

It is though


-Dwarf-

Yeah whatever. If theres anything i have learnt over the years is stans will stan. No matter how much logic you put ,you guys will hold your foot and refuse to accept that your wrong. Goodnight.


YourPupilsDilated

>Ronaldo is having a worse year than Messi No. No he's not.


icemankiller8

Messi is the top assister of his league and about to win the league 3 goals and 10 Assists in 17 starts Ronaldo has 12 goals and 3 assists in 21 starts, is in 6th and has 10 goals 3 Assists without pens. He’s scored of assisted in 8 games this season without pens in the league with 21 starts which is less than Messi and Messi has less starts. Ronaldo is being seen as better solely because he’s in the PL despite the fact he’s gone through 2 separate 4 game goal and assists droughts this year including games against Brentford, Burnley, Southampton, Leicester, Everton and villa


StarlordPunk

This is exactly the kind of cherry picking he’s on about tho. Messi being top assister and about to win the league and Ronaldo not winning the league aren’t anything to do with them, it’s to do with Messi playing on a super team with Neymar and Mbappe and so on that Florentino Perez would wank himself into a coma over, in a league with very few other real challengers, while Ronaldo plays for a dysfunctional mess with Rashford and a teenager rushed into a starting role because his competition has been banished to the ether for being a rapist shithead, and he’s doing so in a much stronger league. Ronaldo isn’t being seen as better because he’s in the PL, it’s because he’s been better. If he has a bad day, United fall apart. If Messi has a bad day, PSG only win 3-0 instead of 4-0.


icemankiller8

Sorry but idk how you can call being top assister and winning the league as cherry picking. If you’re asking who’s having a better season things like that matter. A team being more reliant on a player doesn’t make that player better if that’s the case Zaha was the best player in the league for a while at palace. I also don’t agree, Uniteds attack is centred entirely around him when he is there and their attack and team was better last year without him.


StarlordPunk

Because football is a team game and you don’t win the league on your own. Nathan Ake is winning the league at the minute, does that make him better than say Cristian Romero? Is Lucas Vazquez better than Reece James? I’m not saying a team being more reliant on a player makes him a better player, I’m saying Ronaldo IS a better player and you can see that in what happens when they don’t perform. Also the fact that Ronaldo has scored plenty of goals with a shoddy cast around him (hence low assists) and that Messi, despite having Neymar, Mbappe, Di Maria, Hakimi, etc also creating chances has scored only 3. And I’m not buying into the Twitter fanboy narrative of “well he’s not supposed to be a goal scorer” because he’s fucking Messi. He’s scored 30+ goals every year for like a decade playing with proper strikers, I’m pretty sure he should be capable of doing it in the modern day galacticos


jim0wheel1

Thanks for going through the trouble of attaching *messi_ronaldo_stats.xlsx* whilst leaving the Emirates.


icemankiller8

It’s the truth though people acting like Ronaldo has had a better year is just not true. Take away the stats and Ronaldo is Chris wood Messi is still good to watch with his passing


jim0wheel1

Who do you think does better if we signed Messi and PSG signed Ronaldo last summer


icemankiller8

I think Ronaldo would be a better signing for psg because he could just stand in the penalty area all game, too much would be asked and expected of Messi to carry United. However that doesn’t change that Messi has been better this season, all Ronaldo has meant to do is score and he’s underperforming his XG and not been clinical and all. If your job is to score and you aren’t a consistent scorer than what’s the point of signing him?


jim0wheel1

You’re a bigger berk than I thought you were if you think we signed Ronaldo for footballing reasons.


icemankiller8

Did you expect me to talk about commercial revenue when talking about who does better?


Carthagu

I already liked you quite a bit Palace, but you’ve gone and solidified it


Jabari313

Now imagine how you're gonna feel when they knock Chelsea out of the cup


FaustRPeggi

Should be everyone's second team by this point. Except Brighton fans maybe. Team full of ballers, exciting football, and the best fans in the league.


tiorzol

I've always liked you


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MotherweII

It's always a good laugh when teams bring out special kits and then go onto have a terrible result when they wear them. It looks likeMilan's white kit will join Real Madrid's Y3 black kit, Arsenal's whiteout kit, and pretty much every Rangers special kit, in the bin.


LemureTheMonkey

Also funny when a club legend plays his last game and loses (as long as it isnt a Porto legend).


X-V-W

🙁


FaustRPeggi

Arsenal's summer business was excellent and their January targets were on the money too. Any of Vlahovic, DCL, or Toney have exactly the profile they've been missing this game. Andersen is a brilliant defender when he's not put under the pressure of a physical battle.


Carthagu

I mean those targets were looked at by everyone and their business was solid at best.


icemankiller8

Arsenal even getting 5th is much better than people expected so it was definitely a good window


Carthagu

Odd take. You started off this season like shit under the same manager you’ve had for two years. That’s why people anticipated you continuing to perform poorly. Then you got an easy run, your opponents had games postponed and you went up the table


icemankiller8

Sorry but we’re 29 games into the season how many were just an easy run?


Carthagu

The stretch where United and us had multiple games postponed as you faced the likes of Norwich and started overrating yourselves?


icemankiller8

Right so if we finish 5th that’s where we should right? Which is still much better than expected so what’s your point really? The idea that all those games were super easy isn’t true anyway


Carthagu

How is that much better than expected You’re saying that like you were some relegation tier team and Arteta came in and made you top four contenders He was manager while you lost to Brentford and were wallowing in the relegation zone And they may not be “super easy” but they aren’t significantly difficult


icemankiller8

We were expected to finish 8th and will probably finish 5th that is better than expected. You drop points against teams in the pl it happens


Carthagu

Expected by random pundits? These expectations have no factual basis, and since most of you thought you were locked for fourth after an easy run, I’d say that the criticism is valid


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icemankiller8

Title race is what people care about the most the top 4 race is largely a media hype job. Realistically whether arsenal Or spurs finish top 4 neither will win the CL anyway and it really doesn’t matter as much outside money


matbezlima

The title race is awesome!


FIJIBOYFIJI

Don't think f1 2.0 is really applicable here because that was much bigger when it was literally just Hamilton vs nobody aka city a few seasons ago. This season there's actually a title race with just a 1 point difference, in general i feel like neutrals care about that more


matbezlima

City only won two PLs without any competition. 2018 and 2021. 2019 was an epic title race with Liverpool. And 2022 so far has been the same too.


MotherweII

F1.5* wasn't even that big a thing, just a meme. In 2019 and 2020 when Hamilton was unchallenged most of the time, people weren't watching F1 for the F1.5 Championship, they were just hoping to see a good race and/or Hamilton not win.


jim0wheel1

Imagine telling someone “We won the Premier League Without City Or Liverpool title” with a straight face.


LemureTheMonkey

Sporting had "Righteous league winners 15/16" scarves.


Offaplain

We have looked unrecognisable today when compared to before the international break, hope we find out rhythm again and fast.


CoolstorySteve

Losing away to Palace is not bottling and palace away is never going to be easy. This sub is so annoying with thinking games are played on paper.


Wasssan

They are a very good team. They are in a false position right now.


matematematematemate

I really don't know how we're 12 points ahead of Palace. They've looked great every time I've seen them and were by far the better team vs us twice. I guess their results from the start of the season are costing them now in terms of the table (3 wins from the first 15 games). But they're looking like they're gelling now and I wouldn't be surprised if they were one of the teams battling for Europe next season.


obvious_bot

Bottling is when a team loses and the more they lose the more bottling it is


Carthagu

Ironically only Arsenal fans were claiming that this would be an easy fixture.


GerGavin

No we weren’t.


Carthagu

Absolutely were.


GerGavin

We quite clearly keep stating one game at a time stop talking nonsense.


Carthagu

“We” You mean you? More than half of your was saying that we had no chance and you’d win this game and be right behind Chelsea too


FaustRPeggi

City dropped points here too. Palace deserve to finish top 10 and they are far, far better at home than away.


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Really have to get 6 points from Brighton and Chelsea now, then back with it. Huge task


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Chiswell123

I swear Nketiah is a good player. Every time I watch him, I’m always impressed more or less. His next move just needs to be the right one.


Wasssan

He is good. Arsenal fans turned on him because of Balogun and make him out to be awful. He has a 1 in 3 goal record for us.


Luis_Carlos_Almeida

Brighton would be a nice move for him, but i think he can aim higher. Should go abroad imo.


RomeoLavia

Brighton have Undav coming in, would be a permanent bench role for him


Luis_Carlos_Almeida

Oh didnt know that. Do you think he adapts to the prem? He is smashing in goals in belgium, but I havent seen him play.


RomeoLavia

I don't see why not really. A lot of his game is based on anticipation and other mental attributes that he seems to use really well. The only thing I would really worry about is just how sloppy he is sometimes. Will obviously score goals and he's actually a decent creative force, but he has these matches like the win against Kortrijk last month where he is just losing the ball over and over, purely because he's trying to make something happen. In that game there must have been at least fifteen occasions (no exaggeration) where Sainsbury either picked his pocket, intercepted one of his poor passes or picked up a loose ball from him controlling it poorly. It's probably going to be down to whether or not he can change to the Brighton way of playing and not feel like he has to be the main man for everything.


mbdtf95

Quite sad to know that very likely this season marked the end of Messi-Ronaldo dominance era. Both of them haven't even been top 25 players in the world this season realistically. Messi falling off was much more unexpected since he still performed very well even last season, and this season he has 3 goals in league, underperformed when it matter in CL again etc... We did enjoy great dominance for all these years that at some points I even hated seeing constant Messi-Ronaldo discussion, but now that it ends it just feels sad.


YourPupilsDilated

They pulled the sport towards them for so many years. They redefined the expectations of attacking players. No one ever came close to them. And just as comprehensively as they pulled the game towards themselves, it's been yanked away from them like pulling the carpet under someone. But that's the circle of life.


Jabari313

We memed on them but Ronaldo did score 47 last year (as he made well known) and Messi won a Balon D'Or this fall off was completely unforeseeable


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Messi not in the top 25? Ok...