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Accomplished-Ad-6007

I think all players other than pure poacher strikers and traditional goalkeepers are system players, most defenders who are comofortable in a back 3 will struggle in a back four, same for midfield structure, even different wingers, sweeper keepers and false 9s need a particular system to thrive, only pure GKs and fox in the box strikers who are detached from the play directly most of the time can be said to be truly independent of the system they play in


MaidikIslarj

Guys, us Portuguese and Argentinians are trying to make a big Ronaldo/Messi tile on the south side of r/place. Anyone care to lend a hand? Heres the Argentinian discord, plan should be there: https://discord.gg/PeaSPMPn46


Accomplished-Ad-6007

That's one hell of a collaborative idea


mbdtf95

Messi is not even in top 75 top scorers in Ligue 1 this season. That's amazing


rasmus9

He is also statistically the worst finisher in all of France, if not all of Europe, with 3 goals from an incredible 70+ shots. Talk about being wasteful


Accomplished-Ad-6007

Literally Ramos and Danilo are ahead of him, his goalscoring has taken a big hit


mbdtf95

Ramos isn't. Ramos has 1. Messi has 3.


RomeoLavia

Ramos?


Accomplished-Ad-6007

Sorry no Ramos and Messi both had 1 league goal at some point Now Messi is clear 3x the goals as Ramos /s


Icyhemorrhage

[Fabrizio Romano] Kylian Mbappé : “I haven't made my choice on the future, everyone knows that. I'm thinking, there are NEW elements and a lot of parameters. If I had made my decision, I would've announced it”. “Is it possible to stay at PSG? Yes, of course”. Madrid shaking in their boots


rasmus9

What else is he going to say? That he is leaving even though it hasn’t been announced yet and even though the season is still ongoing? Obviously he is going to say that it isn’t decided yet and that anything can happen


Accomplished-Ad-6007

I know they are nearing the end, but Messi has 18 G+A and Ronaldo has 21 G+A all season , seems not that long ago that these were the stats they produced in every 7-8 games, we have witnessed some glorious days


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adfdub

Hes the Lionel messi of soccer


Accomplished-Ad-6007

Still a year to get that hattrick against Madrid , who says no


RomeoLavia

Tatum is pretty established now. If we are talking about 2018 Tatum then maybe.


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foot_99

Probs mentality and working real hard on his game It’s not like he’s a system player either since he’s been our best player under all of Poch, Mou and Conte who all have completely different styles


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foot_99

I actually saw a really interesting clip on Instagram of Kane in our academy back in maybe 2009 and the way he turned to shoot after getting a pass was legit IDENTICAL to how he does it now. I wish I could find it but it was honestly crazy how I see him do that exact same move multiple times a game to this day So although he was really only ever decent at best on his loans, I think that there was always that ability or natural instinct in him on top of working really hard to improve his game Edit: managed to find it! https://www.instagram.com/reel/CbppbuBFDVs/?utm_medium=copy_link Might seem kinda standard but at least for a Spurs fan the way he turned into that pass to shoot and the shape of his shot is very distinctly Kane


JackAndrewThorne

Graeme Potter is the most boring manager in the league by a mile. I'd actually rather watch a fucking Tony Pulis side. What is the point of having the ball when it takes you 10 minutes to actually get from one box to the other, only to then aimlessly pass it around until someone fucks it up and the opponents counter for 30 seconds before you get the ball back, and take your next 10 minutes of pointless passing to get back to where you started? It's literally just fear-based football "If we have the ball, they can't hurt us". There is no risk. No intention. Just safe, boring shitty passing.


RYAN_BENJAMIN

Tbf, they’re good at creating chances, I think they’re 9th in the league on chances created, so they’re not exactly a “possession without purpose” type team. They can’t finish, it’s been their problem for two years now.


RomeoLavia

What has made you change your opinion out of interest? Because I would say they are largely the same in this regard as last season.


JackAndrewThorne

Watching them play. I've got a, we will say friend, from Brighton and I've put through the torture of watching them multiple times this season. It's just so boring to watch.


Bladerslash

If France wins the WC they should hand over the balon dor to kylian mbappe


rasmus9

The amount of people who don’t know that the World Cup is actually next years Ballon d’Or. this years vote happens months before the World Cup


asvpmamba

Agreed


Accomplished-Ad-6007

With the form he is in, he deserves it even with a deep run, man has been on fire, still has to compete with Lewandowski and Benzema though but he is exceptional this year


GBadman88

Tonight's fun fact: Thierry Henry never scored a hat trick in the Premier League away from home.


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i think current kane would make this man city side more dangerous than haaland. ofcourse both players would make the team more frightenbut kane playmaking abilities would make them unstoppable. Haaland is still young and he has 10-15 years left of him but I dont see him staying longer than 5 years in the Premier league since he also wants to play in La Liga


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ThicctorFrankenstein

Owen Jones released a video earlier discussing whether Biden was ‘finished’ and for a brief second I found myself asking which team Biden played for and why I hadn’t heard of him, this place has actually caused me to lose IQ points.


JackAndrewThorne

Well you know he isn't exactly comfortable on the left anymore, and he's constantly getting attacked on the right. At his age, he seems much more comfortable in the centre, but he's clearly losing ground there as well. It's very difficult to suggest he's finished, but if he can't find his way into reliable and effective positions, he could very quickly find himself struggling.


brunosmydad

I’m from New Zealand and I’m travelling europe atm and I just got back from the psg game and I’m so beyond gassed tbat probably the only time I’ll ever see messi and Neymar play football, they put in a performance like that! Just buzzing honestly


sga1

We (mostly) know the group stages for the World Cup right now. Who do you reckon is the favourite to win it all at this point in time?


elvis503

France Brazil Argentina Belgium are my top picks


Hessenuk

France have the best squad, but it's France so they'll mess up somehow. So, er, Brazil.


KensaiVG

Us, based solely on the fact that I want us to


OnOff58

Heavy about van gaal


Good_Kev_M-A-N_City

Is Matheus Nunes that good? Didn't really stand out the two times against City which is the only time I've seen him play. Which player is he most similar to?


Hessenuk

Who had better flair Tekkers; Lee Trundle, Aiden McGeady, Ronaldinho, or Neymar?


Forsaken-Currency404

You made me search Lee Trundle mate, and now I've fallen in love.


Hessenuk

Best penalty clip ever


Lyrical_Forklift

Lee Trundle owns


RomeoLavia

The amount of times I have seen Lee Trundle do a completely random skill move while unmarked in open space, has to be him


foot_99

In the church of Conte we believe in 3 at the back, making shite wingbacks world class and not eating tomato sauce


FaustRPeggi

It's the only way to play football. All heathens will be crushed underfoot.


LampseederBroDude51

The Arabic commentator called the Pedri golazo before he even got the ball Dembele, golazo golazo golazo golazo golazo golazo golazo GOLAZO GOLAZO GOLAZO, WHAT DID I TELL YOU


Ill-Chemistry4690

Allah Allah Allah Gol Gol Gol Gol Gol Arabic commentary is the best commentary


NasiAmbengAmriYahyah

Allah yaaaa Suarezz goalllllllll


mint4condition

they always say "gol gol gol" before a potential goal, and when it's not a goal they be like "la la la"


Straight_forward93

I’ll be honest. I don’t think I will ever rate Benzema because he looks so wierd to me.


Zyulj

Spray-on beard.


Forsaken-Watch-6888

Underrate King karim at your own peril


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I know as players Maradona obviously eclipses Vardy, but was winning Seria A with Napoli a bigger achievement than the Premier league with Leicester?


JohnnyKossacks

Maradona seems better. Plus the Italian league at the time was easily better than the premier league when leicester won


Yeshuu

I still think winning the PL in this era is a harder task.


Tim-Sanchez

I'm not sure anything matches Leicester winning the Premier League in terms of how shocking it was as an achievement. Promoted two seasons before, just avoided relegation, and they were favourites for relegation again. Plus, with the money in modern football it's even tougher to break into the top spots compared to the past. Plus, Vardy's story matches Leicester's rise nicely, having come from semi-pro to winning the Premier League in a few years. Maradona was already the best player in the world when he joined Napoli, so them winning the league was not as shocking.


Ok-Set-5829

Leicester semi-pro? You what mate?


RomeoLavia

He's talking about Vardy


BludFlairUpFam

Kaiserslautern winning the Bundesliga is up there too


NotAnurag

It’s hard to compare the two. Leicester was obviously less probable, but Napoli had much tougher competition whereas in 2016 the PL was mediocre in terms of overall quality. It was also in the 2 points per win era and teams were far more defensive back then.


okcomput3r

No definitely not


Rum114

i would say yes even though it was a world record fee for maradona.


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I'm curious about how Napoli's spending compared to the other Italian teams. How did a team with no league titles break the world record for transfer fee? Were they pumped with cash like the state backed clubs of today?


[deleted]

Most Italian teams back then were, look at the Sampdoria side of the late 80s/early 90s, what a team.


Ok-Set-5829

Camorra


fred_fotch

No but Vardy wasn't the best player on Leicester


YourPupilsDilated

It is genuinely frightening watching Mbappe play.... I don't think it is too much of an exaggeration to say that right now he's as good as Messi and Neymar COMBINED, if not better. Sometimes it looks like he's playing a different sport from those two. Sensational player.


Accomplished-Ad-6007

Outshining this Messi and Neymar isn't hard tbf, and the team is still built for him and more accustomed to use his blistering pace by playing him long balls instead of intricate possession based football which Messi and Neymar excel at, but yes I am very excited to see his career which might turn out to be something I tell my grandkids about 50 years later


PuigFati69

Messi still plays like one of the best when he plays for Argentina, probably just doesn't fits with Poch's system (I don't watch a lot of PSG so idk).


YourPupilsDilated

The level of international football is a lot lower than club football. Neymar also looks good for Brazil too.


PuigFati69

That's completely non sense. A bit lower, sure. A lot lower, no.


Accomplished-Ad-6007

That's debatable, I don't think an average 10-20 Ligue 1 team is that superior to most South American teams, and Ronaldo played almost like Manchester United against Macedonia and Turkey, Jota played worse than he does for Liverpool, all PSG players even Mbappe performed better for the national team, it definitely depends more on the system


YourPupilsDilated

What isn't debatable is that Messi is done. So is Ronaldo.


Accomplished-Ad-6007

..oh you are of that kind, sorry my bad trying to have a normal rational conversation, yes you are right about everything in the world, peace out


Offenser101

are you talking Messi and neymar now or their prime, bc as of right now he gets no where near any of them in their prime


YourPupilsDilated

How could I possibly be talking about them in their prime? What relevance does their prime have currently? Football exists in the now and currently Messi and Neymar make PSG a good team at best. They are absolutely hopeless without Mbappe.


Offenser101

yeah let's take the prime of arguably the goat of football out and just compare a 7 month period where he struggled with a player who's young and hungry because that definitely is a fair, what the fuck does football exist in the now mean???? that's just stupid statement


YourPupilsDilated

Who gives a shit if it is fair or not? It's simply what it is. I don't understand some people on this sub; does Messi pay you guys to defend him or?


Offenser101

when have I defended Messi? I simple stated your comparison is wrong, but I can tell you're just a troll have fun tho


YourPupilsDilated

Messi isn't going to shag you mate. Get over it.


themmchanges

However, you still have a chance with Mbappe


izzyonthereddit

Messi and Neymar in current form?


YourPupilsDilated

Yeah.


izzyonthereddit

Messi is older and Neymar should still have legs but he isn't professional. Just Imagine all 3 in thier PRIME 🥶🥶🥵


RomeoLavia

What are you basing Neymar not being professional on? Is there something I have missed recently


izzyonthereddit

Like Him getting injured all the time? That has Hindered his career.


RomeoLavia

How in the world does that make him unprofessional?


izzyonthereddit

Likes to party and drink


RomeoLavia

And pretty much everyone that has worked with him has said that when training and match days come, he is always putting in maximum effort. Mbappe and Verratti have both gone to multiple parties with him, both have been pictured drinking. Mbappe especially is one of the most hard working and professional footballers you will find. Neymar has been partying his whole life. As do a good amount of great footballers. It's not a coincidence that his form started to dip with his injury record. It's silly to start blaming it on his professionalism when so many people have talked about how professional he is. You aren't unprofessional for going out with your mates and having a drink. Footballers shouldn't have to be Cristiano Ronaldo (who also used to go out and have an occasional drink) to be considered professional.


adfdub

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YourPupilsDilated

Lol you Argentina fans are so sensitive..... Messi is done. He's nowhere near the force he once was. And there's nothing wrong with that. Nothing lasts forever.


Rum114

mbappe will miss the game winning penalty against argentina in the world cup final


adfdub

Ok Now I'm erect


Nebuchadnezzar_V

Garth Crooks has managed to eclispse his already lofty/low bar with [his TOTW this week](https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60974949) Janelt at RW is something only a true footballing visionary could see


Rum114

> craig dawson


lastdyingbreed_01

Couldn't watch the game, how did we play today?


PuigFati69

Their defence is solid but we could have scored more. Deserved win overall.


NotAnurag

Hard game, but we definitely deserved to win it. Decent performance overall, especially defensively


elvis503

Tough but entertaining game, we came really close to scoring multiple times, Torres with his usual shenanigans, our defense was really solid as well


elvis503

Hey manu get ur hands off my Araujo pls keep your maguires


matbezlima

Who is better: Raphinha or Antony?


Forsaken-Currency404

Raphinha easy.


Lyrical_Forklift

Who's stock has dropped the most this season?


Yeshuu

Varane in with a shout. Almost no impact since signing for United.


FaustRPeggi

Wan-Bissaka.


enazj

Oblak, Messi, Ronaldo, Rashford, Shaw, Soyuncu, Lukaku, Varane


Rum114

gotta include steve bruce’s stock amongst the media


enazj

The media still love him. Had people calling him one of Englands most important managers in history after we sacked him


Rum114

the fuck i’m actually in shock. how and why do people like him


foot_99

He’s a United legend or at least a very well regarded player for them That’s about it really. All the United boys in the media will defend him or be soft when talking about him just for that


elvis503

Messi Maguire


godly_tit_hunter

Oblak, Ramos and Messi


TruestRepairman27

Contenders for me are: Rashford, Maguire, Shaw, Ronaldo, Messi, Solskjaer, Lampard, Nuno, Everton, Roman Abramovich. Honourable mentions: Leicester squad, Italy NT


AnnieIWillKnow

Bump up Italy. From Euros winners to not qualifying for the World Cup is a major drop off.


saigool

oblak


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Varane?


TheFakeIceCream

On here? Messi probably. General consensus top 2 in the world to washed in a few months.


f4riis99

Lukaku?


TruestRepairman27

I think with Lukaku it’s less him and more his role at Chelsea. I think this is a blip.


LordVelaryon

Hummels :(


Naatezz

Has to be Messi realistically


curtisjones-daddy

Pretty amazing that Klopp has the most wins as a Premier League manager after 250 games considering what he walked into. Saying that Pep is gonna smash it as he’s already ahead after 220 games haha


HippoBigga

xavi is the real deal and every week he proves it further and further. beautiful to see. bona nit !


LemureTheMonkey

Someone post the miss by LA Galaxys number 11.


FatBlondeNasri

How has Douglas Costa been?


LemureTheMonkey

Douglas Costa isnt playing (at least I havent heard his name yet).


godly_tit_hunter

There's always a slight risk in playing Nico and Gavi. They aren't as mature as Pedri and they oftentimes misplace passes or get booked. Definitely need a more experienced midfielder in the fold.


Cannibal_Trailblazer

Wdym. Gavi rarely misplace passes. Getting booked? Yeah it's in his DNA lmao


anusFati

they will mature with time, after all Gavi is freakin 17 and Nico is still 20, not everyone is a wonderkid like Pedri to develop his super brain at 18. Iniesta became world class at 24-25


matbezlima

Should Tottenham try to get Eriksen back?


RedRaizel

Yes.


matbezlima

Should City go for Kane or for Haaland?


the_studge

Kane and then Haaland in a few years


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Haaland obviously. But Kane fits the team better. But if a talent like Haaland is on the table you sign him


Jabari313

Who will end the season with less G+A, Messi (13 G+A) or Ronaldo (15 G+A)


glycerethe

Ramos will probably end the season with less games than G+A of those 2. Right now he has 2.5 games worth of minutes, but already bagged 6m salary.


Rum114

ronaldo messi at least has mbappe to help.


KensaiVG

Also Messi is scoring and assisting almost normally for the NT


Hessenuk

[Never forget](https://i.prcdn.co/img?regionKey=4oIkigv%2BrnnqFO8aMqwHtQ%3D%3D)


FinNein

Hilarious how two of the fab-4 have completely opposite taste in the age spectrum


bananabread_173

Ivan Rakitic, the wannabe streaker👇🏻 https://mobile.twitter.com/BarcaUniversal/status/1510726449615015937?cxt=HHwWgsC44fTslvcpAAAA


elvis503

Lmao my mans in his whities and socks


adfdub

Context?


PhilsKessticle

It was his first game back at Camp Nou wit fans, he gave everything away


glycerethe

> he gave everything away "Socks and boots pls Ivan!"


bananabread_173

He probably gave his kit and shorts away to Barça fans in the stands after the game. All the fans applauded when his name was announced before the game


[deleted]

Why would the fans want his Sevilla shirt?


anusFati

why not?


bananabread_173

Idk maybe as a memoir coz he played for us and has a good relationship with the club and fans....or maybe he gave it to some Sevilla away fans. I didn't watch the clip of him giving the kit


cdg6921

Pedri the 2nd biggest talent itw after Mbappe?


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Yep


boringmemphis

Yes i think so. Haaland isn't on the same level of performances as Pedri and is immensely helped by the level of the Bundesliga Mbappe is a different monster tho. One of the greatest naturally talented players to ever exist in football imo


anusFati

Haaland had a great enormous peak but quite short. I don't think he's reaching it again.


Princecoyote

Haaland does has his Champions League performances too though.


BI01

different age groups


saigool

Mbappe is 23 years old and he's been around for a while. Don't see him as a talent anymore tbh.


Jabari313

Haaland


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You can't be serious...


PhilsKessticle

Third, Haaland is second


SuperSaiyanGoten

Bigger


cdg6921

Lol sure


Rum114

mbappe is not part of the same age group, so pedri is easily the bigger talent. mbappe is the more established player who has actually proven his worth, pedri isn’t there yet and hasn’t accomplished anything yet


FatBlondeNasri

Pedri will be lucky to even reach where Mbappe is now. Mbappe was way better and more hyped than Pedri at 19 and actually delivered on his talent which is rare in football.


bananabread_173

Van Gaal💔 Get well soon pls🙌🏻


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f4riis99

Every club can just name players mate


wonderful_mixture

meh


probably_dutch

>Dest


_mas17

Best u21s in world football are Pedri and then saka


Carthagu

Really snuck in Saka