I think all players other than pure poacher strikers and traditional goalkeepers are system players, most defenders who are comofortable in a back 3 will struggle in a back four, same for midfield structure, even different wingers, sweeper keepers and false 9s need a particular system to thrive, only pure GKs and fox in the box strikers who are detached from the play directly most of the time can be said to be truly independent of the system they play in
Guys, us Portuguese and Argentinians are trying to make a big Ronaldo/Messi tile on the south side of r/place. Anyone care to lend a hand? Heres the Argentinian discord, plan should be there:
https://discord.gg/PeaSPMPn46
He is also statistically the worst finisher in all of France, if not all of Europe, with 3 goals from an incredible 70+ shots. Talk about being wasteful
[Fabrizio Romano] Kylian Mbappé : “I haven't made my choice on the future, everyone knows that. I'm thinking, there are NEW elements and a lot of parameters. If I had made my decision, I would've announced it”. “Is it possible to stay at PSG? Yes, of course”.
Madrid shaking in their boots
What else is he going to say? That he is leaving even though it hasn’t been announced yet and even though the season is still ongoing? Obviously he is going to say that it isn’t decided yet and that anything can happen
I know they are nearing the end, but Messi has 18 G+A and Ronaldo has 21 G+A all season , seems not that long ago that these were the stats they produced in every 7-8 games, we have witnessed some glorious days
Probs mentality and working real hard on his game
It’s not like he’s a system player either since he’s been our best player under all of Poch, Mou and Conte who all have completely different styles
I actually saw a really interesting clip on Instagram of Kane in our academy back in maybe 2009 and the way he turned to shoot after getting a pass was legit IDENTICAL to how he does it now.
I wish I could find it but it was honestly crazy how I see him do that exact same move multiple times a game to this day
So although he was really only ever decent at best on his loans, I think that there was always that ability or natural instinct in him on top of working really hard to improve his game
Edit: managed to find it! https://www.instagram.com/reel/CbppbuBFDVs/?utm_medium=copy_link
Might seem kinda standard but at least for a Spurs fan the way he turned into that pass to shoot and the shape of his shot is very distinctly Kane
Graeme Potter is the most boring manager in the league by a mile. I'd actually rather watch a fucking Tony Pulis side.
What is the point of having the ball when it takes you 10 minutes to actually get from one box to the other, only to then aimlessly pass it around until someone fucks it up and the opponents counter for 30 seconds before you get the ball back, and take your next 10 minutes of pointless passing to get back to where you started?
It's literally just fear-based football "If we have the ball, they can't hurt us". There is no risk. No intention. Just safe, boring shitty passing.
Tbf, they’re good at creating chances, I think they’re 9th in the league on chances created, so they’re not exactly a “possession without purpose” type team. They can’t finish, it’s been their problem for two years now.
Watching them play. I've got a, we will say friend, from Brighton and I've put through the torture of watching them multiple times this season.
It's just so boring to watch.
With the form he is in, he deserves it even with a deep run, man has been on fire, still has to compete with Lewandowski and Benzema though but he is exceptional this year
i think current kane would make this man city side more dangerous than haaland. ofcourse both players would make the team more frightenbut kane playmaking abilities would make them unstoppable. Haaland is still young and he has 10-15 years left of him but I dont see him staying longer than 5 years in the Premier league since he also wants to play in La Liga
Owen Jones released a video earlier discussing whether Biden was ‘finished’ and for a brief second I found myself asking which team Biden played for and why I hadn’t heard of him, this place has actually caused me to lose IQ points.
Well you know he isn't exactly comfortable on the left anymore, and he's constantly getting attacked on the right. At his age, he seems much more comfortable in the centre, but he's clearly losing ground there as well.
It's very difficult to suggest he's finished, but if he can't find his way into reliable and effective positions, he could very quickly find himself struggling.
I’m from New Zealand and I’m travelling europe atm and I just got back from the psg game and I’m so beyond gassed tbat probably the only time I’ll ever see messi and Neymar play football, they put in a performance like that! Just buzzing honestly
Is Matheus Nunes that good? Didn't really stand out the two times against City which is the only time I've seen him play.
Which player is he most similar to?
The Arabic commentator called the Pedri golazo before he even got the ball
Dembele, golazo golazo golazo golazo golazo golazo golazo GOLAZO GOLAZO GOLAZO, WHAT DID I TELL YOU
I'm not sure anything matches Leicester winning the Premier League in terms of how shocking it was as an achievement. Promoted two seasons before, just avoided relegation, and they were favourites for relegation again. Plus, with the money in modern football it's even tougher to break into the top spots compared to the past.
Plus, Vardy's story matches Leicester's rise nicely, having come from semi-pro to winning the Premier League in a few years. Maradona was already the best player in the world when he joined Napoli, so them winning the league was not as shocking.
It’s hard to compare the two. Leicester was obviously less probable, but Napoli had much tougher competition whereas in 2016 the PL was mediocre in terms of overall quality. It was also in the 2 points per win era and teams were far more defensive back then.
I'm curious about how Napoli's spending compared to the other Italian teams. How did a team with no league titles break the world record for transfer fee? Were they pumped with cash like the state backed clubs of today?
It is genuinely frightening watching Mbappe play....
I don't think it is too much of an exaggeration to say that right now he's as good as Messi and Neymar COMBINED, if not better.
Sometimes it looks like he's playing a different sport from those two. Sensational player.
Outshining this Messi and Neymar isn't hard tbf, and the team is still built for him and more accustomed to use his blistering pace by playing him long balls instead of intricate possession based football which Messi and Neymar excel at, but yes I am very excited to see his career which might turn out to be something I tell my grandkids about 50 years later
That's debatable, I don't think an average 10-20 Ligue 1 team is that superior to most South American teams, and Ronaldo played almost like Manchester United against Macedonia and Turkey, Jota played worse than he does for Liverpool, all PSG players even Mbappe performed better for the national team, it definitely depends more on the system
How could I possibly be talking about them in their prime? What relevance does their prime have currently?
Football exists in the now and currently Messi and Neymar make PSG a good team at best. They are absolutely hopeless without Mbappe.
yeah let's take the prime of arguably the goat of football out and just compare a 7 month period where he struggled with a player who's young and hungry because that definitely is a fair, what the fuck does football exist in the now mean???? that's just stupid statement
And pretty much everyone that has worked with him has said that when training and match days come, he is always putting in maximum effort.
Mbappe and Verratti have both gone to multiple parties with him, both have been pictured drinking. Mbappe especially is one of the most hard working and professional footballers you will find.
Neymar has been partying his whole life. As do a good amount of great footballers. It's not a coincidence that his form started to dip with his injury record. It's silly to start blaming it on his professionalism when so many people have talked about how professional he is. You aren't unprofessional for going out with your mates and having a drink. Footballers shouldn't have to be Cristiano Ronaldo (who also used to go out and have an occasional drink) to be considered professional.
Lol you Argentina fans are so sensitive.....
Messi is done. He's nowhere near the force he once was.
And there's nothing wrong with that. Nothing lasts forever.
Garth Crooks has managed to eclispse his already lofty/low bar with [his TOTW this week](https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60974949)
Janelt at RW is something only a true footballing visionary could see
He’s a United legend or at least a very well regarded player for them
That’s about it really. All the United boys in the media will defend him or be soft when talking about him just for that
Pretty amazing that Klopp has the most wins as a Premier League manager after 250 games considering what he walked into.
Saying that Pep is gonna smash it as he’s already ahead after 220 games haha
There's always a slight risk in playing Nico and Gavi. They aren't as mature as Pedri and they oftentimes misplace passes or get booked. Definitely need a more experienced midfielder in the fold.
they will mature with time, after all Gavi is freakin 17 and Nico is still 20, not everyone is a wonderkid like Pedri to develop his super brain at 18. Iniesta became world class at 24-25
He probably gave his kit and shorts away to Barça fans in the stands after the game. All the fans applauded when his name was announced before the game
Idk maybe as a memoir coz he played for us and has a good relationship with the club and fans....or maybe he gave it to some Sevilla away fans. I didn't watch the clip of him giving the kit
Yes i think so.
Haaland isn't on the same level of performances as Pedri and is immensely helped by the level of the Bundesliga
Mbappe is a different monster tho. One of the greatest naturally talented players to ever exist in football imo
mbappe is not part of the same age group, so pedri is easily the bigger talent. mbappe is the more established player who has actually proven his worth, pedri isn’t there yet and hasn’t accomplished anything yet
Pedri will be lucky to even reach where Mbappe is now. Mbappe was way better and more hyped than Pedri at 19 and actually delivered on his talent which is rare in football.
I think all players other than pure poacher strikers and traditional goalkeepers are system players, most defenders who are comofortable in a back 3 will struggle in a back four, same for midfield structure, even different wingers, sweeper keepers and false 9s need a particular system to thrive, only pure GKs and fox in the box strikers who are detached from the play directly most of the time can be said to be truly independent of the system they play in
Guys, us Portuguese and Argentinians are trying to make a big Ronaldo/Messi tile on the south side of r/place. Anyone care to lend a hand? Heres the Argentinian discord, plan should be there: https://discord.gg/PeaSPMPn46
That's one hell of a collaborative idea
Messi is not even in top 75 top scorers in Ligue 1 this season. That's amazing
He is also statistically the worst finisher in all of France, if not all of Europe, with 3 goals from an incredible 70+ shots. Talk about being wasteful
Literally Ramos and Danilo are ahead of him, his goalscoring has taken a big hit
Ramos isn't. Ramos has 1. Messi has 3.
Ramos?
Sorry no Ramos and Messi both had 1 league goal at some point Now Messi is clear 3x the goals as Ramos /s
[Fabrizio Romano] Kylian Mbappé : “I haven't made my choice on the future, everyone knows that. I'm thinking, there are NEW elements and a lot of parameters. If I had made my decision, I would've announced it”. “Is it possible to stay at PSG? Yes, of course”. Madrid shaking in their boots
What else is he going to say? That he is leaving even though it hasn’t been announced yet and even though the season is still ongoing? Obviously he is going to say that it isn’t decided yet and that anything can happen
I know they are nearing the end, but Messi has 18 G+A and Ronaldo has 21 G+A all season , seems not that long ago that these were the stats they produced in every 7-8 games, we have witnessed some glorious days
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Hes the Lionel messi of soccer
Still a year to get that hattrick against Madrid , who says no
Tatum is pretty established now. If we are talking about 2018 Tatum then maybe.
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Probs mentality and working real hard on his game It’s not like he’s a system player either since he’s been our best player under all of Poch, Mou and Conte who all have completely different styles
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I actually saw a really interesting clip on Instagram of Kane in our academy back in maybe 2009 and the way he turned to shoot after getting a pass was legit IDENTICAL to how he does it now. I wish I could find it but it was honestly crazy how I see him do that exact same move multiple times a game to this day So although he was really only ever decent at best on his loans, I think that there was always that ability or natural instinct in him on top of working really hard to improve his game Edit: managed to find it! https://www.instagram.com/reel/CbppbuBFDVs/?utm_medium=copy_link Might seem kinda standard but at least for a Spurs fan the way he turned into that pass to shoot and the shape of his shot is very distinctly Kane
Graeme Potter is the most boring manager in the league by a mile. I'd actually rather watch a fucking Tony Pulis side. What is the point of having the ball when it takes you 10 minutes to actually get from one box to the other, only to then aimlessly pass it around until someone fucks it up and the opponents counter for 30 seconds before you get the ball back, and take your next 10 minutes of pointless passing to get back to where you started? It's literally just fear-based football "If we have the ball, they can't hurt us". There is no risk. No intention. Just safe, boring shitty passing.
Tbf, they’re good at creating chances, I think they’re 9th in the league on chances created, so they’re not exactly a “possession without purpose” type team. They can’t finish, it’s been their problem for two years now.
What has made you change your opinion out of interest? Because I would say they are largely the same in this regard as last season.
Watching them play. I've got a, we will say friend, from Brighton and I've put through the torture of watching them multiple times this season. It's just so boring to watch.
If France wins the WC they should hand over the balon dor to kylian mbappe
The amount of people who don’t know that the World Cup is actually next years Ballon d’Or. this years vote happens months before the World Cup
Agreed
With the form he is in, he deserves it even with a deep run, man has been on fire, still has to compete with Lewandowski and Benzema though but he is exceptional this year
Tonight's fun fact: Thierry Henry never scored a hat trick in the Premier League away from home.
i think current kane would make this man city side more dangerous than haaland. ofcourse both players would make the team more frightenbut kane playmaking abilities would make them unstoppable. Haaland is still young and he has 10-15 years left of him but I dont see him staying longer than 5 years in the Premier league since he also wants to play in La Liga
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Owen Jones released a video earlier discussing whether Biden was ‘finished’ and for a brief second I found myself asking which team Biden played for and why I hadn’t heard of him, this place has actually caused me to lose IQ points.
Well you know he isn't exactly comfortable on the left anymore, and he's constantly getting attacked on the right. At his age, he seems much more comfortable in the centre, but he's clearly losing ground there as well. It's very difficult to suggest he's finished, but if he can't find his way into reliable and effective positions, he could very quickly find himself struggling.
I’m from New Zealand and I’m travelling europe atm and I just got back from the psg game and I’m so beyond gassed tbat probably the only time I’ll ever see messi and Neymar play football, they put in a performance like that! Just buzzing honestly
We (mostly) know the group stages for the World Cup right now. Who do you reckon is the favourite to win it all at this point in time?
France Brazil Argentina Belgium are my top picks
France have the best squad, but it's France so they'll mess up somehow. So, er, Brazil.
Us, based solely on the fact that I want us to
Heavy about van gaal
Is Matheus Nunes that good? Didn't really stand out the two times against City which is the only time I've seen him play. Which player is he most similar to?
Who had better flair Tekkers; Lee Trundle, Aiden McGeady, Ronaldinho, or Neymar?
You made me search Lee Trundle mate, and now I've fallen in love.
Best penalty clip ever
Lee Trundle owns
The amount of times I have seen Lee Trundle do a completely random skill move while unmarked in open space, has to be him
In the church of Conte we believe in 3 at the back, making shite wingbacks world class and not eating tomato sauce
It's the only way to play football. All heathens will be crushed underfoot.
The Arabic commentator called the Pedri golazo before he even got the ball Dembele, golazo golazo golazo golazo golazo golazo golazo GOLAZO GOLAZO GOLAZO, WHAT DID I TELL YOU
Allah Allah Allah Gol Gol Gol Gol Gol Arabic commentary is the best commentary
Allah yaaaa Suarezz goalllllllll
they always say "gol gol gol" before a potential goal, and when it's not a goal they be like "la la la"
I’ll be honest. I don’t think I will ever rate Benzema because he looks so wierd to me.
Spray-on beard.
Underrate King karim at your own peril
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I know as players Maradona obviously eclipses Vardy, but was winning Seria A with Napoli a bigger achievement than the Premier league with Leicester?
Maradona seems better. Plus the Italian league at the time was easily better than the premier league when leicester won
I still think winning the PL in this era is a harder task.
I'm not sure anything matches Leicester winning the Premier League in terms of how shocking it was as an achievement. Promoted two seasons before, just avoided relegation, and they were favourites for relegation again. Plus, with the money in modern football it's even tougher to break into the top spots compared to the past. Plus, Vardy's story matches Leicester's rise nicely, having come from semi-pro to winning the Premier League in a few years. Maradona was already the best player in the world when he joined Napoli, so them winning the league was not as shocking.
Leicester semi-pro? You what mate?
He's talking about Vardy
Kaiserslautern winning the Bundesliga is up there too
It’s hard to compare the two. Leicester was obviously less probable, but Napoli had much tougher competition whereas in 2016 the PL was mediocre in terms of overall quality. It was also in the 2 points per win era and teams were far more defensive back then.
No definitely not
i would say yes even though it was a world record fee for maradona.
I'm curious about how Napoli's spending compared to the other Italian teams. How did a team with no league titles break the world record for transfer fee? Were they pumped with cash like the state backed clubs of today?
Most Italian teams back then were, look at the Sampdoria side of the late 80s/early 90s, what a team.
Camorra
No but Vardy wasn't the best player on Leicester
It is genuinely frightening watching Mbappe play.... I don't think it is too much of an exaggeration to say that right now he's as good as Messi and Neymar COMBINED, if not better. Sometimes it looks like he's playing a different sport from those two. Sensational player.
Outshining this Messi and Neymar isn't hard tbf, and the team is still built for him and more accustomed to use his blistering pace by playing him long balls instead of intricate possession based football which Messi and Neymar excel at, but yes I am very excited to see his career which might turn out to be something I tell my grandkids about 50 years later
Messi still plays like one of the best when he plays for Argentina, probably just doesn't fits with Poch's system (I don't watch a lot of PSG so idk).
The level of international football is a lot lower than club football. Neymar also looks good for Brazil too.
That's completely non sense. A bit lower, sure. A lot lower, no.
That's debatable, I don't think an average 10-20 Ligue 1 team is that superior to most South American teams, and Ronaldo played almost like Manchester United against Macedonia and Turkey, Jota played worse than he does for Liverpool, all PSG players even Mbappe performed better for the national team, it definitely depends more on the system
What isn't debatable is that Messi is done. So is Ronaldo.
..oh you are of that kind, sorry my bad trying to have a normal rational conversation, yes you are right about everything in the world, peace out
are you talking Messi and neymar now or their prime, bc as of right now he gets no where near any of them in their prime
How could I possibly be talking about them in their prime? What relevance does their prime have currently? Football exists in the now and currently Messi and Neymar make PSG a good team at best. They are absolutely hopeless without Mbappe.
yeah let's take the prime of arguably the goat of football out and just compare a 7 month period where he struggled with a player who's young and hungry because that definitely is a fair, what the fuck does football exist in the now mean???? that's just stupid statement
Who gives a shit if it is fair or not? It's simply what it is. I don't understand some people on this sub; does Messi pay you guys to defend him or?
when have I defended Messi? I simple stated your comparison is wrong, but I can tell you're just a troll have fun tho
Messi isn't going to shag you mate. Get over it.
However, you still have a chance with Mbappe
Messi and Neymar in current form?
Yeah.
Messi is older and Neymar should still have legs but he isn't professional. Just Imagine all 3 in thier PRIME 🥶🥶🥵
What are you basing Neymar not being professional on? Is there something I have missed recently
Like Him getting injured all the time? That has Hindered his career.
How in the world does that make him unprofessional?
Likes to party and drink
And pretty much everyone that has worked with him has said that when training and match days come, he is always putting in maximum effort. Mbappe and Verratti have both gone to multiple parties with him, both have been pictured drinking. Mbappe especially is one of the most hard working and professional footballers you will find. Neymar has been partying his whole life. As do a good amount of great footballers. It's not a coincidence that his form started to dip with his injury record. It's silly to start blaming it on his professionalism when so many people have talked about how professional he is. You aren't unprofessional for going out with your mates and having a drink. Footballers shouldn't have to be Cristiano Ronaldo (who also used to go out and have an occasional drink) to be considered professional.
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Lol you Argentina fans are so sensitive..... Messi is done. He's nowhere near the force he once was. And there's nothing wrong with that. Nothing lasts forever.
mbappe will miss the game winning penalty against argentina in the world cup final
Ok Now I'm erect
Garth Crooks has managed to eclispse his already lofty/low bar with [his TOTW this week](https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60974949) Janelt at RW is something only a true footballing visionary could see
> craig dawson
Couldn't watch the game, how did we play today?
Their defence is solid but we could have scored more. Deserved win overall.
Hard game, but we definitely deserved to win it. Decent performance overall, especially defensively
Tough but entertaining game, we came really close to scoring multiple times, Torres with his usual shenanigans, our defense was really solid as well
Hey manu get ur hands off my Araujo pls keep your maguires
Who is better: Raphinha or Antony?
Raphinha easy.
Who's stock has dropped the most this season?
Varane in with a shout. Almost no impact since signing for United.
Wan-Bissaka.
Oblak, Messi, Ronaldo, Rashford, Shaw, Soyuncu, Lukaku, Varane
gotta include steve bruce’s stock amongst the media
The media still love him. Had people calling him one of Englands most important managers in history after we sacked him
the fuck i’m actually in shock. how and why do people like him
He’s a United legend or at least a very well regarded player for them That’s about it really. All the United boys in the media will defend him or be soft when talking about him just for that
Messi Maguire
Oblak, Ramos and Messi
Contenders for me are: Rashford, Maguire, Shaw, Ronaldo, Messi, Solskjaer, Lampard, Nuno, Everton, Roman Abramovich. Honourable mentions: Leicester squad, Italy NT
Bump up Italy. From Euros winners to not qualifying for the World Cup is a major drop off.
oblak
Varane?
On here? Messi probably. General consensus top 2 in the world to washed in a few months.
Lukaku?
I think with Lukaku it’s less him and more his role at Chelsea. I think this is a blip.
Hummels :(
Has to be Messi realistically
Pretty amazing that Klopp has the most wins as a Premier League manager after 250 games considering what he walked into. Saying that Pep is gonna smash it as he’s already ahead after 220 games haha
xavi is the real deal and every week he proves it further and further. beautiful to see. bona nit !
Someone post the miss by LA Galaxys number 11.
How has Douglas Costa been?
Douglas Costa isnt playing (at least I havent heard his name yet).
There's always a slight risk in playing Nico and Gavi. They aren't as mature as Pedri and they oftentimes misplace passes or get booked. Definitely need a more experienced midfielder in the fold.
Wdym. Gavi rarely misplace passes. Getting booked? Yeah it's in his DNA lmao
they will mature with time, after all Gavi is freakin 17 and Nico is still 20, not everyone is a wonderkid like Pedri to develop his super brain at 18. Iniesta became world class at 24-25
Should Tottenham try to get Eriksen back?
Yes.
Should City go for Kane or for Haaland?
Kane and then Haaland in a few years
Haaland obviously. But Kane fits the team better. But if a talent like Haaland is on the table you sign him
Who will end the season with less G+A, Messi (13 G+A) or Ronaldo (15 G+A)
Ramos will probably end the season with less games than G+A of those 2. Right now he has 2.5 games worth of minutes, but already bagged 6m salary.
ronaldo messi at least has mbappe to help.
Also Messi is scoring and assisting almost normally for the NT
[Never forget](https://i.prcdn.co/img?regionKey=4oIkigv%2BrnnqFO8aMqwHtQ%3D%3D)
Hilarious how two of the fab-4 have completely opposite taste in the age spectrum
Ivan Rakitic, the wannabe streaker👇🏻 https://mobile.twitter.com/BarcaUniversal/status/1510726449615015937?cxt=HHwWgsC44fTslvcpAAAA
Lmao my mans in his whities and socks
Context?
It was his first game back at Camp Nou wit fans, he gave everything away
> he gave everything away "Socks and boots pls Ivan!"
He probably gave his kit and shorts away to Barça fans in the stands after the game. All the fans applauded when his name was announced before the game
Why would the fans want his Sevilla shirt?
why not?
Idk maybe as a memoir coz he played for us and has a good relationship with the club and fans....or maybe he gave it to some Sevilla away fans. I didn't watch the clip of him giving the kit
Pedri the 2nd biggest talent itw after Mbappe?
Yep
Yes i think so. Haaland isn't on the same level of performances as Pedri and is immensely helped by the level of the Bundesliga Mbappe is a different monster tho. One of the greatest naturally talented players to ever exist in football imo
Haaland had a great enormous peak but quite short. I don't think he's reaching it again.
Haaland does has his Champions League performances too though.
different age groups
Mbappe is 23 years old and he's been around for a while. Don't see him as a talent anymore tbh.
Haaland
You can't be serious...
Third, Haaland is second
Bigger
Lol sure
mbappe is not part of the same age group, so pedri is easily the bigger talent. mbappe is the more established player who has actually proven his worth, pedri isn’t there yet and hasn’t accomplished anything yet
Pedri will be lucky to even reach where Mbappe is now. Mbappe was way better and more hyped than Pedri at 19 and actually delivered on his talent which is rare in football.
Van Gaal💔 Get well soon pls🙌🏻
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Every club can just name players mate
meh
>Dest
Best u21s in world football are Pedri and then saka
Really snuck in Saka