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Araujo's dueling is genuinely insane to me. Despite being tall he reacts so quick with his feet, very strong too. Shame we couldn't see much of Vini vs him last match, due to different circumstances.
Ericās transformation since dec is astounding. Hasnāt put a foot wrong in any of the matches. When he got two red cards very early in his barƧa career, I really thought it was all over for him here.
I've said this before, but it's insane how many people completely wrote him off because he wasn't perfect playing in an off-form City team when he was 18 years old.
I agree. Our setup is now quite similar to the NT where he also shines. I don't want to jump the gun, but maybe him and Araujo as our starting CB duo could be good enough, especially if we get solid fullbacks. Excited to see how he develops!
These numbers show why Eric is so important for the NT. He is easily one of the best defenders in the world at progressing the ball and breaking out of the press. No doubt Lucho loves him.
Against Sevilla, one of the best defenses in the league, he was basically cutting them apart with one single pass through multiple lines of pressure.
Our style under Xavi suits him perfectly, just like Spain under Enrique. I think people were far too hard on him in the beginning. Even his worst game (against Athletic Club) canāt be blamed completely on himāhe found out just before the game that his grandfather had passed away, so itās not at all surprising that he wasnāt in the right mindset to play, especially against a quick, high-pressing attack like Bilbaoās. But thereās definitely a noticeable improvement over the last two months or so. I think he and Araujo could be a very complimentary pairing in the future and I hope to see them partnered together more once Eric returns from injury.
Ericās passing is underrated. He often makes dagger passes through the entire midfield and defense but we have no one to convert them and so you donāt see any of those in the stats
Eric Garcia is criminally underrated by BarƧa fans, his ability to distribute the ball from the back is a talent few cbs in the world possess.. what i admire about him is how he steps up to strikerās to destabilize them when they are receiving the ball
Gvardiol plays in 352 so he has freedom to not defend that much, for Croatia when he plays in a 4321 he has been really good when he played as a CB, Garcia on the other hand when paired with Araujo could do so much but unfortunately Pique is still there.
It's usually the one I'm looking for most that isn't marked on these. Hiroki Ito - should be the one just above Ampadu looking at his stats. I like his left footed passing, really wraps short passes around opposition players but also capable of some good long range passes.
Defensively he seems pretty similar to Tomiyasu, tall but wiry so he tries to compensate for not being the strongest by being aggressive and anticipating situations quickly.
Works well so far as part of a back three but needs to try and gradually add more weight as currently I could see him struggling against a more traditional number 9 if used in a pair.
Yeah, just wanted to come back on this from the man city - chelsea game the other day, where thiago silva was one-on-one with sterling running at him, but rudiger was backtracking fast coming up on thiago silva's right/sterlings left.
Silva slowly backpeddled so that rudiger could catch up, then stepped in to his left, goading sterling to dribble to HIS left and leaving the ball easy to collect for a rudiger sterling never saw coming from behind.
If you look at the stats, thiago silva "lost his duel" and "was dribbled past". But if you see the game you would know he was in complete control of that situation and got exactly what he wanted.
Defending is such a team game that these type of individual stats can be extremely misleading and analysing situations/staying in control is by far the most important skill (other than base athleticism and footballing ability) for a centreback.
Do you mean top right quadrant? Or top right of the entire graphic?
Because to be top right of the entire graphic he would need to be elite in duels aswell
He is elite in duels, and the best forward playing CB Iāve ever seen at Ajax. Thatās why
According to fbref.com Timber would have 12.06 progressive actions per 90, which would rank only slightly behind Barcaās Eric Garcia out of this entire graphic. I canāt find stats for the duels however
Edit: according to gioscore, he has 2044 minutes played this season and won a total of 126 duels in that time. That would add up to 5,55 duels won per 90, but the site doesnāt clarify whether the stat includes both ground duels and aerial duels. Canāt find any stats with percentages
According to Sofascore (don't know how accurate they are), he wins 67% of duels.
https://www.sofascore.com/player/jurrien-timber/958959
So he would certainly be one of the most (if the the most) well rounded cb's on this graphic.
I think you might be simultaneously overrating Blind last season while underestimating how good Timberās stats have been. Iāll agree theyāre very close, but Iām giving the edge to Timber because heās so young and will still improve.
Some of our fans donāt get that itās absolutely insane for someone of Timberās age to be so composed and have such good vision and positioning. Blind at Timberās age was getting booed in the Arena and still needed to develop a lot
Oh for sure, he's insanely talented especially for his age, but not the best forward playing CB ever at Ajax. Blind is at 15+ in progression from LB this year. And I can't find the data for when he was playing CB still but I remember a graph with just passing for the 20/21 season where Blind was at 19 on just progressive passing.
Yeah, I found the graph. It's pretty crazy, I know its eredivisie but midfielders are on it as well. https://old.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/mijkor/ajaxs_daley_blinds_ballpassing_ability_compared/
Well he definitely isnāt the best. Kounde, araujo, alaba are all better than him. Even diego carlos and garcia are playing better than him at the moment.
I was getting downvoted for saying Mingueza isn't a better prospect than Eric GarcĆa. People don't seem to watch games. There was a reason Koeman had to sub him off at half time on more than one occasion.
The general opinion of Mingueza last season was that he was an alright backup option for the future, but I don't think anyone with a brain thought he's good enough for to be a starter.
He was a reliable option last season. Not sure what happened to him this season.
He was also the 3rd choice cb from the B team when Koeman called him up iirc
Some people definitely over hyped him, but he was absolutely playing above his level last season. This season heās looked very suspect as we should have expected, but I donāt think that takes away from his good form last season, even if it will likely never be repeated
I was feeling so confused when I saw even Real Madrid fans praising him. He was being very aggressive that game but it was risky and requiring others to cover for him a lot whenever he failed a duel / tackle.
Not saying he's terrible - he's sufficient for a depth player but certainly not the second coming of Puyol.
If you actually watched La Liga you would know him and Kounde have been the best this season. He's very good at progressing the ball like Ramos was, but he's not our ball playing CB, Alaba is, so he rarely uses long passes/runs.
Araujo definitively been great, but obviously your team dropping so many points lowers his impact. Players look better when team is winning obviously. Militao also suffered when we had to play improvisation with the defense first third of the season, he was running in all directions to plug holes and we were conceding a lot.
His stats seem to suggest otherwise. He also passes the eye test. Sure he has struggled a lil under Xavi but that's mainly because he has been played as a RB.
Nah I think anyone who has actually watched over the entire season would know he hasn't been the best CB in La Liga this season.
He started the season very poorly, and came into good form from late November to December.
This isn't true, i think you're confusing the defense being shit until Mendy was back and Alaba playing centrally with him being bad. He was solo trying to do everything first few games, we even played shit like Miguel-Nacho-Militao-LV backline.
He literally almost cost you the game a few days ago, twice.
He isnāt as good as he was last season. Which isnāt that weird as heās still young. the consistency will come with time.
To be the best, you have to be the best in almost every criterion. You canāt just say ā*well ball progression isnāt his job, itās alabaās*ā. He should be good at that if he is playing for a big club otherwise the opposition will man mark the hell out of him.
I remember the balon dāor speculation threads when you guys were saying that benz deserves the balon dāor more than lewa cause heās a more well rounded striker. So which is it then? So militao is the best even though heās not that very good on the ball and at the same time benz is better than lewa even though lewa scored more goals.
> To be the best, you have to be the best in almost every criterion. You canāt just say āwell ball progression isnāt his job, itās alabaāsā. He should be good at that if he is playing for a big club otherwise the opposition will man mark the hell out of him.
HE IS GOOD AT IT, he's just not the chosen CB to take out the ball.
For example Benzema is amazing at penalties, but since Cristiano/Ramos took them for us, you wouldn't see Benzema in most penalties scored statistics.
> So militao is the best even though heās not that very good on the ball
Where did you determine that from ?
>at the same time benz is better than lewa even though lewa scored more goals.
You're rambling irrelevant shit, stop drinking so early in the day.
Your penalty analogy doesnāt even make sense. Only one person can take a penalty but ball progression can be done by both the CBs in a match. Just because alaba is doing it doesnāt mean militao shouldnāt do it.
Itās like ancelloti saying to rodrygo - ā*hey rodry donāt you score goals. Itās benz and viniās responsibility*ā. You see how stupid your logic sounds!!
Yeah ur kinda right tbh. It benefits Madrid to have 2 ball playing CBs. Itās not like ancelotti is saying āAlaba is the only person that can progress the ballā . Alaba is probably doing it more because heās better than it than militao.
Holy shit you're fucking dense, they both ball progress, but obviously the designated one will get the ball 90% of the time from Courtois. What fucking top team do you know that doesn't have a designated player to play from the back ?
According to FBREF:
Lucas Hernandez vs Upamecano
Passes attempted: 81.74 vs 84.03
Pass completion: 90.7% vs 89.6%
Progressive passes: 5.85 vs 5.26
Progressive carries: 6.55 vs 5.43
Dribbles completed: 0.98 vs 0.53
Progresive passes received: 0.59 vs 0.27
Additionally, fbref's algorithm ranks Lucas as second most similar player to Upamecano. If anything, Lucas is the one who does it more, but the difference is subtle.
Let it go man. Heās not going to learn. Heās still adamant that a team should not have more than one ball carrying defender. And that one defender should do 90% of the ball progression.
> What fucking top team do you know that doesn't have a designated player to play from the back?
I mean just look at man city. Laporte, dias, stones are all excellent ball carriers. Chelsea with rudiger and christensen, barƧa with pique and garcia, bayern with upmecano and hernandez.
All our backline is good at ball carrying, that wasn't the point lmao, you just don't get it. ONE PLAYER is the regular designated one to take the ball out.
For City that's Laporte.
Like you're either stupid or are trolling me.
For city, thatās not just laporte. Stones and dias are equally good.
And every top team shouldnāt have to rely on just one ball carrier. Thatās basically suicide. The opposition can just cut off all the forward passing lanes from alaba and all he can do after that is either play it back to the goalkeeper or militao or just hoof it away. Thatās exactly the kind of teams that struggles massively against high pressing teams.
How else am I supposed to judge a defender then? Ground duels, aerial duels, how easy or tough it is to dribble past you, how well your passing is, how good youāre at bringing the ball out from the back are all taken care of in his graph.
I think he has had injuries, but a poorer season for sure.
Could also have to do with the new coach and system.
They went from high volume passing under Peter Bosz to what seems to be a more counter attack/open approach.
Can't speak to Tapsoba, but stats rarely tell the story for what a viewer would consider progressive actions with defenders. FBref exclude progressive actions from within the defending 40% of the pitch. This means defenders who are charged with anchoring or teams that typically settle with a deeper line or bait the press will often appear a lot worse than those who push up further, but there's plenty of possibility they still play quality line breaking progressions from those deeper spots.
duels% has no correlation with it being a good defensive action. you can win a duel and be the reason the other team scored, because you "won" the header, but headed straight to the opponent. you can also "lose" a duel and it was a good defensive action, because you positioned well and drove the opponent away from goal. it's the most useless stat in football.
no, it's absolutely true. you can read about it on spielverlagerung.
[https://spielverlagerung.de/2016/01/13/zahlenverlagerung-die-hinrunde-der-bundesliga/](https://spielverlagerung.de/2016/01/13/zahlenverlagerung-die-hinrunde-der-bundesliga/)
have fun
Did you read the article you posted? Its statistical analysis is terrible. The way it judges defensive players is just the number of tackles + interceptions per 90. Which is an absolutely terrible way to judge defenders as it's extremely dependent on team playstyle. According to it no defender from either Bayern or Dortmund are in the top 10 in the bundesliga.
It also basically doesn't discuss at all how duel percentage is bad bar a throwaway line so I dont understand how it's a rebuttal of duel percentage.
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Araujo's dueling is genuinely insane to me. Despite being tall he reacts so quick with his feet, very strong too. Shame we couldn't see much of Vini vs him last match, due to different circumstances.
Araujo > Militao
If you have to tackle then you have already lost the battle - Maldini
lol have u seen this Barca defense. Him having to tackle is due to everyone around him not doing their job
Me, standing in the box as an attacker breezes past my statuesque form: Paulo says tackling is wrong
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Araujo and Garcia let's gooo. Hope we can see both of them playing well together this season.
Holy fuck Eric and Araujo
We just need to develop the technology to merge them into one player and weāll be set for a decade
Merge and clone
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Too many merge conflicts
Prime Pique was basically the combination of both ngl
You are thinking of r/toprightmessi
Ericās transformation since dec is astounding. Hasnāt put a foot wrong in any of the matches. When he got two red cards very early in his barƧa career, I really thought it was all over for him here.
Youāll still have people who doesnāt watch him at Barca talk shit about him over here.
Even Barsa fans talked poorly about him, don't get it twisted. But I guess that lines up what you said to be fair.
I've said this before, but it's insane how many people completely wrote him off because he wasn't perfect playing in an off-form City team when he was 18 years old.
I agree. Our setup is now quite similar to the NT where he also shines. I don't want to jump the gun, but maybe him and Araujo as our starting CB duo could be good enough, especially if we get solid fullbacks. Excited to see how he develops!
These numbers show why Eric is so important for the NT. He is easily one of the best defenders in the world at progressing the ball and breaking out of the press. No doubt Lucho loves him. Against Sevilla, one of the best defenses in the league, he was basically cutting them apart with one single pass through multiple lines of pressure.
Our style under Xavi suits him perfectly, just like Spain under Enrique. I think people were far too hard on him in the beginning. Even his worst game (against Athletic Club) canāt be blamed completely on himāhe found out just before the game that his grandfather had passed away, so itās not at all surprising that he wasnāt in the right mindset to play, especially against a quick, high-pressing attack like Bilbaoās. But thereās definitely a noticeable improvement over the last two months or so. I think he and Araujo could be a very complimentary pairing in the future and I hope to see them partnered together more once Eric returns from injury.
It's not even been 2 months
Eric has also been brilliant defensively since the Kiev game.
Ericās passing is underrated. He often makes dagger passes through the entire midfield and defense but we have no one to convert them and so you donāt see any of those in the stats
Reminds of a certain duo from the 2010s.
Mascherano and Puyol?
Badiashile is really impressive
Someone teach araujo and Eric to do man-beast mimicry jutsu. Bring kiba.
Surprised to see De Ligt isn't particularly progressive with his passing.
His passing is decent but nothing exceptional, atleast at Juve. Has got other qualities
Araujo is a monster
Just another sad reminder of how good Ibanez could be if he didn't fuck shit up every 2 matches
Sometimes he just forgets where he is and what heās doing. Itās a shame because he very good when heās concentrated
Where is he. Can't find him Edit: nvm
Konate is going to be really good
Virgil and Joel to show him progressive ball playing with his defensive fundamental skills? Fucking baller in the making.
Eric Garcia is criminally underrated by BarƧa fans, his ability to distribute the ball from the back is a talent few cbs in the world possess.. what i admire about him is how he steps up to strikerās to destabilize them when they are receiving the ball
Man araujo is the MAN of the present and future for this Barcelona team. Give him whatever money he wants, give him everything. Heās truly spexial
Gvardiol only 19 and Eric Garcia 21. Amazing stats for youngsters
And one of them was free
Tbf Gvardiol has played 5 matches at LB this season. Of course this boosts his stats
Isnāt gvardiol playing a lot of this season as a fullback though? Not sure if that skews his stats or not
Wouldn't say amazing, while both are great on the ball, defensively according to these stats they are pretty average.
Gvardiol plays in 352 so he has freedom to not defend that much, for Croatia when he plays in a 4321 he has been really good when he played as a CB, Garcia on the other hand when paired with Araujo could do so much but unfortunately Pique is still there.
It's usually the one I'm looking for most that isn't marked on these. Hiroki Ito - should be the one just above Ampadu looking at his stats. I like his left footed passing, really wraps short passes around opposition players but also capable of some good long range passes. Defensively he seems pretty similar to Tomiyasu, tall but wiry so he tries to compensate for not being the strongest by being aggressive and anticipating situations quickly. Works well so far as part of a back three but needs to try and gradually add more weight as currently I could see him struggling against a more traditional number 9 if used in a pair.
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Upamecano is highly sus. Makes several mistakes 1 on 1 and is a downgrade from last season's Boateng.
He's much younger and physically superior, he'll become an important piece for us.
I mean Davinson Sanchez is great physically as well
Sadly the most important thing about being a CB is positioning and concentration which is so hard to measure in stats
Exactly. It's the intangibles which make a defender so good.
Yeah, just wanted to come back on this from the man city - chelsea game the other day, where thiago silva was one-on-one with sterling running at him, but rudiger was backtracking fast coming up on thiago silva's right/sterlings left. Silva slowly backpeddled so that rudiger could catch up, then stepped in to his left, goading sterling to dribble to HIS left and leaving the ball easy to collect for a rudiger sterling never saw coming from behind. If you look at the stats, thiago silva "lost his duel" and "was dribbled past". But if you see the game you would know he was in complete control of that situation and got exactly what he wanted. Defending is such a team game that these type of individual stats can be extremely misleading and analysing situations/staying in control is by far the most important skill (other than base athleticism and footballing ability) for a centreback.
Feel like Jurrien Timber would be top right if he was included. Dominating the Eredivisie and our CL games in terms of carries and ball progression
Do you mean top right quadrant? Or top right of the entire graphic? Because to be top right of the entire graphic he would need to be elite in duels aswell
He is elite in duels, and the best forward playing CB Iāve ever seen at Ajax. Thatās why According to fbref.com Timber would have 12.06 progressive actions per 90, which would rank only slightly behind Barcaās Eric Garcia out of this entire graphic. I canāt find stats for the duels however Edit: according to gioscore, he has 2044 minutes played this season and won a total of 126 duels in that time. That would add up to 5,55 duels won per 90, but the site doesnāt clarify whether the stat includes both ground duels and aerial duels. Canāt find any stats with percentages
According to Sofascore (don't know how accurate they are), he wins 67% of duels. https://www.sofascore.com/player/jurrien-timber/958959 So he would certainly be one of the most (if the the most) well rounded cb's on this graphic.
Yep, would be horizontally in-line with Salisu and vertically in line with Gvardiol (a bit more to the right tho)
Timber is amazing at carries but Blind surely had even higher progression stats when he was playing CB because of his passing.
I think you might be simultaneously overrating Blind last season while underestimating how good Timberās stats have been. Iāll agree theyāre very close, but Iām giving the edge to Timber because heās so young and will still improve. Some of our fans donāt get that itās absolutely insane for someone of Timberās age to be so composed and have such good vision and positioning. Blind at Timberās age was getting booed in the Arena and still needed to develop a lot
Oh for sure, he's insanely talented especially for his age, but not the best forward playing CB ever at Ajax. Blind is at 15+ in progression from LB this year. And I can't find the data for when he was playing CB still but I remember a graph with just passing for the 20/21 season where Blind was at 19 on just progressive passing.
During 20/21? Jesus, thought his stats had been on a slight decline
Yeah, I found the graph. It's pretty crazy, I know its eredivisie but midfielders are on it as well. https://old.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/mijkor/ajaxs_daley_blinds_ballpassing_ability_compared/
And itās just passes too, not even carries
Well thatās weird. RM flairs told me that militao is the best CB in la liga lol.
so he isn't because he's not progressive enough? lol logic
Well he definitely isnāt the best. Kounde, araujo, alaba are all better than him. Even diego carlos and garcia are playing better than him at the moment.
Yeah okay, you went from speaking some sense to complete nonsense lmao
What part of my comment is nonsense? Just point that out to me.
People shit on garcia without actually seeing him play, that's probably what he is doing as well.
Even your own fans until the general opinion sways of what to think of players. It's cute. It happens in most big clubs, even with us.
Most definitely, after last years classico mingueza was the next puyol over at r/barca and look at him now
I was getting downvoted for saying Mingueza isn't a better prospect than Eric GarcĆa. People don't seem to watch games. There was a reason Koeman had to sub him off at half time on more than one occasion.
Iāve always said Mingueza will at most be another Sergi Roberto type squad player. Got downvoted a few times for that aswell.
The general opinion of Mingueza last season was that he was an alright backup option for the future, but I don't think anyone with a brain thought he's good enough for to be a starter. He was a reliable option last season. Not sure what happened to him this season.
He was also the 3rd choice cb from the B team when Koeman called him up iirc Some people definitely over hyped him, but he was absolutely playing above his level last season. This season heās looked very suspect as we should have expected, but I donāt think that takes away from his good form last season, even if it will likely never be repeated
I was feeling so confused when I saw even Real Madrid fans praising him. He was being very aggressive that game but it was risky and requiring others to cover for him a lot whenever he failed a duel / tackle. Not saying he's terrible - he's sufficient for a depth player but certainly not the second coming of Puyol.
What? Nobody said that about Mingueza, in fact the majority was seeing him as a valuable squad player like Nacho in Madrid, nothing more.
If you actually watched La Liga you would know him and Kounde have been the best this season. He's very good at progressing the ball like Ramos was, but he's not our ball playing CB, Alaba is, so he rarely uses long passes/runs.
I know our defence has not been the best but Araujo deserves to be mentioned among those two. He has really held his own.
https://imgur.com/a/42UogV6
Araujo definitively been great, but obviously your team dropping so many points lowers his impact. Players look better when team is winning obviously. Militao also suffered when we had to play improvisation with the defense first third of the season, he was running in all directions to plug holes and we were conceding a lot.
I hope you're having a laugh. Araujo is decent that's it.
His stats seem to suggest otherwise. He also passes the eye test. Sure he has struggled a lil under Xavi but that's mainly because he has been played as a RB.
Nah I think anyone who has actually watched over the entire season would know he hasn't been the best CB in La Liga this season. He started the season very poorly, and came into good form from late November to December.
This isn't true, i think you're confusing the defense being shit until Mendy was back and Alaba playing centrally with him being bad. He was solo trying to do everything first few games, we even played shit like Miguel-Nacho-Militao-LV backline.
Look at the early games against Alaves, Levante where he himself was making direct errors and costing Real Madrid goals. Maybe his recent form in December made people forget that, but his season didn't start well. He has certainly not been as consistent as KoundĆ© or AraĆŗjo this season.
Nope, it was Nacho making mistakes and him trying to plug holes.
He literally almost cost you the game a few days ago, twice. He isnāt as good as he was last season. Which isnāt that weird as heās still young. the consistency will come with time.
He had 2 bad games all season. He was very inconsistent year he came, he's been a beast last 2 seasons.
To be the best, you have to be the best in almost every criterion. You canāt just say ā*well ball progression isnāt his job, itās alabaās*ā. He should be good at that if he is playing for a big club otherwise the opposition will man mark the hell out of him. I remember the balon dāor speculation threads when you guys were saying that benz deserves the balon dāor more than lewa cause heās a more well rounded striker. So which is it then? So militao is the best even though heās not that very good on the ball and at the same time benz is better than lewa even though lewa scored more goals.
> To be the best, you have to be the best in almost every criterion. You canāt just say āwell ball progression isnāt his job, itās alabaāsā. He should be good at that if he is playing for a big club otherwise the opposition will man mark the hell out of him. HE IS GOOD AT IT, he's just not the chosen CB to take out the ball. For example Benzema is amazing at penalties, but since Cristiano/Ramos took them for us, you wouldn't see Benzema in most penalties scored statistics. > So militao is the best even though heās not that very good on the ball Where did you determine that from ? >at the same time benz is better than lewa even though lewa scored more goals. You're rambling irrelevant shit, stop drinking so early in the day.
Your penalty analogy doesnāt even make sense. Only one person can take a penalty but ball progression can be done by both the CBs in a match. Just because alaba is doing it doesnāt mean militao shouldnāt do it. Itās like ancelloti saying to rodrygo - ā*hey rodry donāt you score goals. Itās benz and viniās responsibility*ā. You see how stupid your logic sounds!!
Yeah ur kinda right tbh. It benefits Madrid to have 2 ball playing CBs. Itās not like ancelotti is saying āAlaba is the only person that can progress the ballā . Alaba is probably doing it more because heās better than it than militao.
Holy shit you're fucking dense, they both ball progress, but obviously the designated one will get the ball 90% of the time from Courtois. What fucking top team do you know that doesn't have a designated player to play from the back ?
Even when we had Alaba both him and Boateng had pretty equal forward ball distribution. And now Upamecano and Lucas both have major roles aswell.
Upamecano does it way more, i can dig up some stats if you want.
According to FBREF: Lucas Hernandez vs Upamecano Passes attempted: 81.74 vs 84.03 Pass completion: 90.7% vs 89.6% Progressive passes: 5.85 vs 5.26 Progressive carries: 6.55 vs 5.43 Dribbles completed: 0.98 vs 0.53 Progresive passes received: 0.59 vs 0.27 Additionally, fbref's algorithm ranks Lucas as second most similar player to Upamecano. If anything, Lucas is the one who does it more, but the difference is subtle.
Let it go man. Heās not going to learn. Heās still adamant that a team should not have more than one ball carrying defender. And that one defender should do 90% of the ball progression.
> What fucking top team do you know that doesn't have a designated player to play from the back? I mean just look at man city. Laporte, dias, stones are all excellent ball carriers. Chelsea with rudiger and christensen, barƧa with pique and garcia, bayern with upmecano and hernandez.
All our backline is good at ball carrying, that wasn't the point lmao, you just don't get it. ONE PLAYER is the regular designated one to take the ball out. For City that's Laporte. Like you're either stupid or are trolling me.
For city, thatās not just laporte. Stones and dias are equally good. And every top team shouldnāt have to rely on just one ball carrier. Thatās basically suicide. The opposition can just cut off all the forward passing lanes from alaba and all he can do after that is either play it back to the goalkeeper or militao or just hoof it away. Thatās exactly the kind of teams that struggles massively against high pressing teams.
Ok you're trolling me, blocked.
This is a post about duels and passing. If you're judging players on that, it's on you.
How else am I supposed to judge a defender then? Ground duels, aerial duels, how easy or tough it is to dribble past you, how well your passing is, how good youāre at bringing the ball out from the back are all taken care of in his graph.
I mean Araujo had that ānot dribbled past a single timeā stat for a while, i wouldnāt be against including that stat.
The fact that we sent Perrin to Strasbourg fort almost nothing and bought fucking Balerdi pisses me off
perrin is only on loan, no? and how has belardi been?
Loan with 1,5M option to buy ajd Balerdi sucks
damn, so perrin is most likely gone, no? thx for your response!
Yeah I dont see Strasbourg sending him back
I sttill dont understand what is our lord doing in Madrid .
I thought Tapsoba was meant to be amazing? Is he having an off season or is it a case of stats not tell the whole story?
He got injured earlier this season and missed quite a lot of games.
I think he has had injuries, but a poorer season for sure. Could also have to do with the new coach and system. They went from high volume passing under Peter Bosz to what seems to be a more counter attack/open approach.
Can't speak to Tapsoba, but stats rarely tell the story for what a viewer would consider progressive actions with defenders. FBref exclude progressive actions from within the defending 40% of the pitch. This means defenders who are charged with anchoring or teams that typically settle with a deeper line or bait the press will often appear a lot worse than those who push up further, but there's plenty of possibility they still play quality line breaking progressions from those deeper spots.
Shame Fofana has been injured. Got a feeling he'd be right up there in the top right.
Iām surprised Tapsoba is losing so many duels. Is the hype undeserved?
duels% has no correlation with it being a good defensive action. you can win a duel and be the reason the other team scored, because you "won" the header, but headed straight to the opponent. you can also "lose" a duel and it was a good defensive action, because you positioned well and drove the opponent away from goal. it's the most useless stat in football.
> its the most useless stat in football that is absolute nonsense
no, it's absolutely true. you can read about it on spielverlagerung. [https://spielverlagerung.de/2016/01/13/zahlenverlagerung-die-hinrunde-der-bundesliga/](https://spielverlagerung.de/2016/01/13/zahlenverlagerung-die-hinrunde-der-bundesliga/) have fun
Did you read the article you posted? Its statistical analysis is terrible. The way it judges defensive players is just the number of tackles + interceptions per 90. Which is an absolutely terrible way to judge defenders as it's extremely dependent on team playstyle. According to it no defender from either Bayern or Dortmund are in the top 10 in the bundesliga. It also basically doesn't discuss at all how duel percentage is bad bar a throwaway line so I dont understand how it's a rebuttal of duel percentage.
You might want to tell Rene Maric how bad it is.
I know it's a different league but Ampadu doing better than Trevoh in duels is surprising to me. he never seemed a physical CB
I wonder where Lukeba would be on this with enough minutes played because he's pretty damn good.