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TheLittleGinge

I'm sure all this 'News' is being pushed in preparation for the NLD. Bit anticlimactic when it gets postponed.


DreamBoatSafari

Tbh a full strength NLD is more appealing but lets see how the decision goes


TheLittleGinge

>Tbh a full strength NLD is more appealing I agree, but for a neutral, prime time Sunday is a grand time for football. When do you think the game would be moved to?


letsgetcool

Literally any other day that isn't my partner's birthday please


TheTimidShrew

Just ask them to postpone their birthday


matti-san

your partner should rearrange. smh. they really need to get their priorities in order.


letsgetcool

Right? I guess the only answer is to go on a break in our relationship for 2 hours


[deleted]

Haha. Its my partner's birthday on Sunday, so I'm hoping for a postponement.


thegreatwanker

final day of the season


DreamBoatSafari

Not sure but think it would be more dependent on Spurs seeing that they have already had 2 other matches postponed. Would imagine we would be more flexible as when to reschedule.


standardharbor

It's old news, The Athletic wrote about this at the start of the season. It's The Guardian so don't expect much in the form of journalism.


OstapBenderBey

Lol you think the athletic has better standards?


standardharbor

I never said that. Please read. Furthermore, The Athletic is largely irrelevant to a larger sense, The Guardian actually covers the news and politics. And it's not highly credible or well research I'm afraid.


OstapBenderBey

Whats credible to you then?


Isd14

If you watch how Arsenal play, this makes a lot of sense and it's actually nothing against Emerson, it's a style thing. The LB tends to bomb on and the RB sits back and almost plays as a third CB. Emerson would undoubtedly struggle there just like Tomiyasu would be ineffective as a wing back. Also, to the people saying Tomiyasu is weak offensively. Yes he would be weak as a overlapping RB/RWB but for the slow build up style we play he's very useful offensively because his technique and passing on his own half, on both feet is so good. The December goal of the month Vs Soton is a good example of how he's great offensively for us but maybe it wouldn't be so useful for a different style. Basically I'm saying it's not always about which player is better, more often than not it's which player fits which team better. Emerson is obviously more suited to the RWB role at Spurs, I don't think he's been fantastic since he came but not sure who else was available in the summer who would've done better.


DreamBoatSafari

Well said! In our circumstance i wouldn't have asked for anyone other than Tomiyasu. He has been immense along with all our other latest transfers.


Isd14

Imo he was our best signing. Ramsdale has been great but he cost £30m and Leno is still a very good player. Tomiyasu has been such a huge upgrade to the starting XI for just £18m We still would've had a chance at top 4 with Leno (albeit much less because of his lack of ability to play out), but we would've had no chance with Cedric/Chambers.


DreamBoatSafari

It's really hard for me choose but that's a great problem to have. Can't underplay the character and grit Ramsdale and White have brought too. Agree we are very vulnerable without Tomiyasu. I think the next step after we hopefully bolster our striker and midfield positions is to look for a Tavares type backup for him.


Isd14

Yeah would be good to have an attacking RB so we have the option to overload the right instead of the left from time to time. Tierney is good enough defensively to play the inverted LB role. Or go full on Wenger and both of them fly up when we're chasing a game. I love Lamptey but probs too expensive for us.


DreamBoatSafari

100% Lamptey would be an incredible option!


youbeesix

I like you, I agree with this.


Isd14

😂 cheers bro, I never really comment here just normally stick to the Arsenal one


OstapBenderBey

> Tomiyasu would be ineffective as a wing back. I get the logic of your post but im not so sure about this. Its obviously not where hes played in the past and its not really his role for us but he's really impressed going forward tbh. Hed be very capable there even if maybe his natural spot would be RCB in a back 3


Isd14

I don't think he's a threat in the final third unless he's open. If he gets it with defenders around him he hasn't got the agility/dribbling that Emerson has to find his own angle for a pass/cross. I haven't seen him play RCB so can't say for sure but yeah I would play Tomi there for Spurs and maybe move Romero to the middle. He'd be better there than Tanganga and Sanchez imo but I don't watch Spurs enough to know for sure really.


9HOS7

I mean they’re both very good players. I would have been happy with either. I’m just happy it seems out scouting department and finally finding the correct players with the best profile for the team


AliGoldsDayOff

At the time I was a little upset with who Spurs ended up with but was (am) convinced Royal had the higher potential. But with the manager switch to Conte mid season it's been tough to swallow. Royal now doesn't fit the scheme and Tomiyasu would be a killer RCB for us. Oh well, what's done is done but this why you need a unified, coherent vision and plan when recruiting players and coaches for a club. Otherwise you waste assets.


Akmuq

>Royal now doesn't fit the scheme and Tomiyasu would be killer RCB for us. He'd be good but realistically that's Romero's spot and Sanchez has been very good in his absence. I think Dier in the middle is essential and so it would all depend if he could upend Davies at LCB who the position fits like a glove and having the left footed option is great. He would have suited Nuno's 4atb better probably (not that Royal was bad or anything) but I don't think he's a signing we needed for Conte ball unless he would have been happy as depth, which Tanganga has shown we need lol


s0ngsforthedeaf

Both the manager and the scouting department did their jobs. Scouting identified a good player, but Arteta got a hunch Tomiyasu would fit better.


Fati25

Arsenal's analytics team need to all be fired if they actually watched Emerson Royal and thought he would be a good signing.


LucozadeBottle1pCoin

2 different Barca flairs in this thread. One says Emerson will be one of the best in the league soon, the other thinks he's trash. IDK what to think, he's seemed reasonable to me. Very solid defensively, but struggles going forward.


occasionally_dumb

Both anusfati and fati25 are probably the same person. Literally the most obnoxious barca flairs I encounter on this sub. I can’t wait for the day when they both get banned lol. Fati25 already got banned from r/barca. I think emerson’s crossing and passing in the final third leaves a lot to be desired. Just don’t use him in a too much offensive role and he’ll be fine.


LashOfTheKane

He’s fucking wank. Every Barcelona fan I saw on here said this about him before we signed him, and I’ve seen nothing since to indicate they were wrong. His defending is alright, but he is soo poor in attack, and that’s not really something which can be improved much There’s something wrong with our recruitment that we continually seem to overpay on poor transfer targets


occasionally_dumb

Well you’ve watched him play more than i have but I don’t think he’s wank as a RB. He’s definitely wank as a RWB. His ball control or dribbling isn’t that good and he used to lose possession most of the time when he pressed by the opponents.


Fati25

I don't own or use any other account


OstapBenderBey

Its schroedingers emerson


Gagliardinter

Emerson is underrated. If we didn't just sign Dumfries, I'd take him at Inter.


lamancha

"News"


boringmemphis

Emerson will be among the best full backs in the league once he gets accustomed to the PL. You can save this comment. He's young and it's a new league so he has been struggling.


KRIEGLERR

Even if he does become one of the best. I doubt any of us would trade Tomiyasu for him, he's really been fantastic


Own_Acanthocephala19

Definitely, Emerson as a RB in your system would struggle a lot. Same for Tomi as a RWB in Spurs. That is also why Spurs who I think had personal terms agreed with Tomi (not sure, Tomi was at least open to come) didn’t go for him in the end since he would not fit the system. Bit jealous though because he is doing very good for you guys meanwhile Emerson is having a little bit of a struggle, at least going forward.


besop12

Why would Tomiyasu struggle?


Own_Acanthocephala19

He is more suited for a back 4


anusFati

No, he won't. Emerson is pretty average and adaptation has nothing to do with it.


mandrake_cry

Sure grandpa let's get you back to bed


cheescakegod

No he won't he plays for the tottenham


boringmemphis

Didn't stop Harry Kane from being called one of the best strikers around


cheescakegod

OK then he will be one of the best but the rest of the team around him will be shit and they will waste his career and win nothing


boringmemphis

That's Emerson's problem, not mine.


plomerosKTBFFH

Doubt he'll get near the level of TAA, Walker, James, AWB or even Lamptey and Livramento.


CleaningTheRug

Arteta really has come leaps and bounds as a manager.


DreamBoatSafari

After the last transfer window, I've learnt to completely trust his decision making


AReptileHissFunction

But this happened when he was doing really bad


Respatsir

Arsenal journalists trying so hard to create comparisons between Tomiyasu and Emerson just before a a NLD for clicks. Why? because they were signings that happened parallel to each other? Ffs just stop it already. I for one am happy we didn't end up with Tomiyasu. We'd still have the same problems we have today amd more. He would be a really shitty wingback and we wouldnt have what little attacking output we have from Emerson even. And I'm sure Arsenal fans are happy with Tomiyasu too. So stfu.


Sinistrait

Tomiyasu would never have been signed to play wingback, he has played on the right of a back 3 before and would have been perfect to slot in there under Conte


AshkenaziTwink

right centre back is the only position where we have suitable depth he would have been totally wasted. considering how our only other option for RWB is Doherty, Emerson was the absolute right choice.


kirikesh

That's where Romero plays though, who is the better player. Tomiyasu looks a good player, but if we'd signed him, we'd have ended up paying for a backup CB who can't play wingback at all.


Oricef

Romero isn't better at all what the fuck are you on


letmegetmynameok

He literally won the best serie a defender of last season. What are you on about


kirikesh

At centre back? Yeah he definitely is. Only one of them won best defender of the year in Serie A last season, and it weren't your Japanese lad.


ImN0Superman

Saved.


Kunimitsunagi

Sad.


AshkenaziTwink

Romero has played like 6 league games and in every single one of them he was our best defender bar none. the dude is a starter for argentina for christs sake.


plycrsk

Is that difficult in a Tottenham defense? Tomiyasu has been arsenal's stand out defender in a defense that is much more capable than the Tottenham one.


Brawlers9901

You've literally conceded more goals than us in the prem 😭😭😭


DankyPal

9 goals in the first three games where Arsenal played with a defensive lineup straight outta 2015 to be fair


AshkenaziTwink

and we conceded 9 goals in 3 games in games 4-6 with nuno, it balances out.


DankyPal

Nah I'm sure you see how thats not the same no? Arsenals entire defensive lineup bar iirc Tierney changed while Tottenhams remained the same. Atleast moreso than Arsenals, with only the RCB position being rotated and Romero actually playing in one of those games (against Chelsea I think)


plycrsk

You've played 2 fewer games and arsenal conceded 5 against city with another defence playing. This stat doesn't mean much. Provide some context. The arsenal defence is quite a bit better and with far more potential.


AshkenaziTwink

much more capable? you might be thinking of us under nuno, but even with nuno our defence has been the best part of our team this season. Dier, Sanchez, Davies, and Lloris are having amazing seasons. Emerson, despite his crossing, is having a blinder defensively. they’ve conceded less goals in the prem than arsenal while having a bonafide football terrorist for half our games.


plycrsk

Yes, much more capable. You've played 2 games fewer. Arsenal conceded 5 against city with another defense. The arsenal defense is quite a bit better than the Tottenham defense, and also with a much higher ceiling.


AshkenaziTwink

Arsenal: conceded 25 goals in 20 games, 1.25 goals against per game Tottenham: conceded 20 goals in 18 games 1.11 goals against per game also higher ceiling is completely unjustified, considering 2 of our calamity defenders last season (Dier and Sanchez) have already been improved massively in just 10 games under Conte. Ben Davies was a backup left back for 7 years and immediately turned into an amazing attacking centre back when he used to be a defensive left back. reguilon and emerson have made exactly 0 mistakes defensively. your players have conceded more goals per game, and your claim of “lul they will be better” is completely unfounded. don’t let your gunner goggles blind you mate.


plycrsk

I wasn't arguing that arsenal have conceded fewer goals per game, just that the gap isn't as big as you made it sound. Plus if you ignore only the city game (different defense), arsenal have already conceded fewer. Sure you can talk about Nuno. Im just suggesting you should take some context into account. These aren't goggles, anyone who has a footballing brain will tell you the arsenal defense is superior to the Tottenham defense CURRENTLY. Their potential is just an added bonus. You'll soon see, I guess ^_^


friedbanana22

/s?


Respatsir

Yes, but thats not what we needed him for. We'd be with fucking Doherty as our only RWB if we'd signed Tomiyasu. We have Romero, Sanchez and Tanganga all who play RCB. They already fit perfectly into that role in our back 3.


standardharbor

> Arsenal journalists Not from an Arsenal journalist, from a sports writer. No need to get into 'ARGH ARGH ARGH' mode jeez why the anger.


Empyrael

Think both have been rather decent so far tbh. Both are on the more defensive side of the isle, but still decent enough going forward. Don't see what all the controversy is about tbh. Would give a slight edge to Tomi, but neither have been close to poor imo.


Kunimitsunagi

Decent? *Slight* edge? Mate, Tomiyasu has been absolutely phenomenal all season. I try to avoid watching spurs as much as possible but I've heard kinda mixed reviews of Emerson so I can only assume that decent is a fair remark in regards to him. ​ Edit: below in the thread is spurs flairs saying "not as bad as people make out" and "not sure he was worth worth £25m". Really no comparison as it stands.


deanochips

He is no improvement on Serge Aurier, Barca must be laughing


a_magic_wizard

I don't think he's been as bad as people make out and is definitely less of a liability than Aurier defensively, however not sure he was worth the £25m.


DitombweMassif

He's had half a season. Most players, even top players, take time to acclimatise to the PL. The jury is out for me, I like what I've seen so far even if he hasn't been a world beater.


M33RHARIS

Exactly, he was good as a full back. He has the highest successful tackles/minutes played in the premier league so it’s not like he’s a bum. He’s just taking time to get used to a wingback role.


westernvaluessmasher

hes not been *as* bad as people say, but i don't think i'm being too one-eyed when i say i'd tomiyasu first without even thinking about it


Brawlers9901

Jury's out, it's been 6 months. Tomiyasu has looked very solid defensively, but not sure he's looked much better than Emerson going forwards and for Conte that'd a very important aspect. Emerson's still very, very young too. Hilarious to me that a lot of people are claiming that a 22 year old is a flop after half a year


Kunimitsunagi

They're both 23 mate. Same year at school. Of course it has only been six months but we're talking about what we've seen in that time. Tomiyasu doesn't get forward much for sure but he has looked good when he does. He's intelligent in and out of possession and has good quality on the ball with both feet; haven't seen him getting to the byline much but that's not the only way to contribute offensively as a fullback. Don't forget this is a guy who is basically a centre back who has become a right back; may be fair to suggest that he hasn't had time to develop attacking instincts yet.


Brawlers9901

Ah, he turned 23 yesterday. Point still stands that Emerson is very young. Tomiyasu would play RCB for us regardless, so direct comparisons are moot.


Kunimitsunagi

Point doesn't *really* stand though because they're BOTH very young so it's kinda moot. You say that but everyone says Emerson is better defensively anyway so not sure it's true; from what I've seen and (mostly) heard, Emerson is... questionable offensively. Conversely, while Tomiyasu doesn't get forward so much, he's shown to be pretty good offensively. All this to say, from where I'm sitting, and based on the limited sample size of \~6 months, I think Tomiyasu would be a better wingback than Emerson has been; he has shown to be a far more rounded, composed and intelligent player so far with a lot of quality on the ball and surprising pace. Sincerely, I think the only thing holding Tomiyasu back offensively is instinct, in that he's a converted CB still learning to be a fullback and that he has shown everything to suggest he can and will improve on that front. None of this to denigrate Emerson in any way, as they are both young and new to the league. I've no idea who will be seen as better in a few years time. Just trying to eulogise about Tomiyasu because I think he is flying well under the radar.


westernvaluessmasher

tomiyasu defends well but he isnt exactly bad going forward by any means. emerson is two months younger than tomiyasu, i wouldn't say there's any different at all between them there. i don't think he's a flop, like i said, but i think hes going to have to improve quite a bit


Brawlers9901

No definitely didn't mean to imply he's bad, it's just that in Conte's system he'd slot in as a RCB rather than a RWB.


westernvaluessmasher

im sure he would. at arsenal though, tomiyasu is a player who fits much better into arsenal's team. since this is a post about arsenal nearly signing emerson, i thought it made sense to compare how either the two players would have fit into arsenal's team


Brawlers9901

The comment chain started with a direct comparison to Aurier, so it's quite clearly discussing Emerson at Spurs though.


westernvaluessmasher

well of course emerson's performances at tottenham (which it would be generous to say are mediocre with previous caveats) are going to come into any discussion of whether arsenal made the right decision not to sign him and instead spend less money on a player who's been better and fits the team better


kirikesh

Tomiyasu would be wasted at wing-back, and he wouldn't get into the team ahead of Romero to play as the right-sided CB. I think he's probably better than Emerson Royale, but he'd be a worse fit for the team.


westernvaluessmasher

i dont know whether he would get into the tottenham team ahead of emerson, especially since conte seems like him. i dont think emerson would get into the arsenal team ahead of tomiyasu though, and like i said, im very glad which one arsenal ended up getting


tacossuadero

lmao he’s so much better than serge. the man was a liability on defense. a penalty at the worst moments


anusFati

We are, indeed. There was an article stating Barcelona still can't believe how they got 25 M for Royal


deanochips

I know, i am getting downvoted to oblivion by butt hurt spurs fans even though their club is actively trying to sign a replacement 6 months later to play wing back in Adama Traoré


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Hakkinen98

Making this judgement after 6 months is thick as shit. The reason Spurs are looking for alternatives is because he's not a RWB because he's too defensive. As a RB he's absolutely fine. He'll also get better. Guys 22.


Puzzleheaded-Donkey7

But have been shot with a full clip instead. Willian, Aubameyang, Chambers, Partey... the list doesn’t end honestly


Felix_Wyn

What? I don't see your point at all. Aubameyang was a fantastic player for a majority of his stint with Arsenal, Partey's been marred by injuries during his first season but has played great this season and Chambers was a youth player they cultivated into being a useful rotational option. Willian definitely was a fuck-up, but the other three are awful examples of flops Arsenal picked up.


westernvaluessmasher

i can think of a dozen worse signings arsenal have made since chambers. thats such a weird one


Puzzleheaded-Donkey7

Auba has fallen off right after he signed his contract, Partey doesn’t come near his pricetag. Pepe is one of the worst transfers in PL history. Arsenal have been absolute dogshit when it comes to signings, apart from this summer.


ifispeakaminbigtrble

Chambers was signed from Southampton


Kunimitsunagi

tbf he said youth not academy.


ifispeakaminbigtrble

He was not a youth player though. He was a senior player with at least a full season of PL experience under his belt


Kunimitsunagi

He was like 18 with something like 20 appearances total. It's not like he was Saka or Smith Rowe who are clearly first team players.


ifispeakaminbigtrble

Yeah, and he was not a youth player


Kunimitsunagi

Uhhh.... again, "...youth not academy". There's a clear distinction there. Chambers wasn't an academy player with *no* experience but he sure as shit wasn't a first team player and wasn't brought in as such. So what's the gap in-between? Youth player, or youth prospect. He was brought in as one for the future, an 18 year old with less than 20 appearances. He had an *unexpected* number of appearances for us in the first \~half of his first season here, barely played (if at all) for the next couple years, then went out on a couple loans. To earnestly take issue with him being called a youth player is nuts.


ifispeakaminbigtrble

Whichever way you wanna spin it, he was a 19 year old with 25 appearances in the first team for PL top half team who was bought for around 16m pounds. He was not a youth player. He was a young player. Not a youth player. Simple as that. Might as well say PSG bouth a youth player in Mbappe from Monaco.


westernvaluessmasher

we signed gabriel paulista the same window as chambers and he's the one of the four transfer flops you choose?


Leblue808

Haven’t we seen this before? Arsenal fans over the moon with their signings when they hit a purple patch. Haven’t they learned anything when Torreira was supposedly better than Kante, Leno rated by Arsenal fans had him top 3 gk in the league, Martinelli didn’t even get a look in for the past two years and now suddenly his the best Brazilian in the world. Personally wouldn’t judge any signing any club has made before their second season will see which of these two clubs made the right decision. Truly expect all of this to end up in tears for Arsenal fans.


CristianoRealnaldo

Martinelli was a 90’ starter from when he broke into the starting XI before he injured his hamstring, then splayed 90’ a game until he missed 30 games with a knee injury (all in the 19/20 season), then played in 14 PL games last season despite missing another 14 and having an up and down injury comeback. “Martinelli didn’t even get a look in for the past two years” is simply false unless you somehow mean that that’s due to injury


Kunimitsunagi

Martinelli tore his meniscus ffs. That's ACL level severity. That time out was spent working back to fitness.


cheescakegod

Apparently the tests showed he has spurs dna. When looking under the microscope each strand just said LADS


ZaDoruphin

Lmao is this really the best you can do


cheescakegod

Yes lad


Mariospurs

Nottingham Forrest


cheescakegod

Still got the same chance of winning it as you have


Mariospurs

No your’s is 100% “no chance” as you’re out 😂😘


Delta_Mike_Sierra_

Didn't you lose to Colchester in the league cup once?


jay_alfred_prufrock

The way this kid gets attacked is truly ridicilous. There is virtually no difference between his stats and Tomiyasu's but if you listened to Arsenal fans, and some Spurs fans, Emerson has been so bad he should be shot behind the shed, whereas Tomiyasu has been so good they are ready to suck his dick. Both reactions are too much too soon ffs. The impatience of fans is getting ridicilous as fuck in recent years, settle the fuck down people.


Kunimitsunagi

Statwanker.


jay_alfred_prufrock

Lmao, sure mate don't let facts get in the way of your hate wank.


Kunimitsunagi

No hate nor wanking, just derision for any who would hold stats in such unassailable regard.


jay_alfred_prufrock

One comment and I'm "holding stats in such unassailable regard"? This might be my first stat comment ever, but whatever works for you. Fact of the matter is, they put out almost identical numbers defensively and offensively while one is being deraded left and right while the other is being praised.


Kunimitsunagi

Your second paragraph is *exactly* my point.


jay_alfred_prufrock

Fine fine, your eyes beat stats and reality, oh superior one. Emerson bad, Tomiyasu good, upvotes to the left.


Kunimitsunagi

I mean, yeah, they do, because I'm not a statwanker and actually know what I'm looking at. ​ Fact is that Emerson is getting mixed reviews *at best* from Spurs fans while Tomiyasu has been nothing short of *excellent.* One has clearly been better than the other and if you think stats prove otherwise then you really don't know dick about football... like the fact that stats are wanky bullshit for the most dynamic team sport and while they could serve a purpose are grievously misused and misunderstood; even the most stat-focused teams in the world still rely on their eyes and overall football knowledge to make decisions because they understand that stats cannot provide a truly holistic and accurate judgment of any player. For some stand out examples: a couple of years ago 'stats' from all sources showed Mustafi to be a better player than VVD; statwankers all loved Partey but the founder of statsbomb himself said that he doesn't think Partey would live up to the stats (however he phrased it) - lo and behold he has had a tough time adapting, even when fit, and there are still significant question marks over the signing. This is because you cannot quantify every aspect and context of football like you can with other, less dynamic sports; some of the most important aspects of the game are intangibles as those intangibles define how the stats work (or don't) in practice; the famous term "football IQ" for example is very hard if not impossible to distil into numbers and yet it's among the *most* significant qualities in the game. If you still disagree, consider this: If I were wrong in what I'm saying, Football Manager (the game) would be like the gospel of football for all fans as it would be a reliable and meaningful library of pretty much every player, instead of its players being bantered for putting too much stock in video game ratings. But in the real world, despite how much effort goes into that game and the player stats/profiles in it, it's consistently a terrible measuring stick for... basically everything. ​ Football isn't played on paper. You can't just point to some numbers and say "look, they're so similar!" as a credible argument to why one player has been just as good as another, when everyone with eyes can see that it's just not true. and FWIW, the further back in the team a player plays, the more true this is; defending is the hardest thing to quantify; I think it was Maldini who said "If I have to tackle I've already make a mistake".


djingo_dango

When did NLD" became a thing?


AshkenaziTwink

the acronym or the derby?


djingo_dango

Acronym. I've only been seeing NLD this NLD that only recently


AshkenaziTwink

we’ve been calling it that for a while


besop12

late 2000s with Twitter probably


AstronautRadiant8586

Way before Barcelona became relevant


djingo_dango

Oh boy. You and your insecurities about the club you follow. Go on


rudygha

Emerson looks a decent enough player to me ngl, good athlete, decent feet, can defend relatively well. Tomiyasu looks a very good player, playing in a system that suits his style of playing RB perfectly, I’ve got doubts he would be as effective playing for Tottenham.


juragan_12

Enough is enough. Both Tomi & Royal worth to each managers tactical approach. Let’s not compare them anymore