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AyanC

It's as if he wants the City players to suffer, lol.


hs52

The anti Conte


admiralawkward

I honestly think a lot of it is just German diction when speaking in English. Sounds harsher and more blunt than he probably intends it to be.


conceal_the_kraken

Not exactly the same but in Spanish you don't say "me gustaria un sandwich" (I would like a sandwich) or "puedo tener un sandwich" (can I have a sandwich) but instead "quiero un sandwich" (I want a sandwich). Born and raised Brit, I think most of us would see it as marginally rude to say "I want this" or "I want that", but Spanish speakers say it a lot when speaking English because that's the direct translation and it's not rude in Spanish. I often wonder how many waiters and waitresses get the hump because they think their customer is being demanding when it's actually a translation issue.


kygrtj

> I often wonder how many waiters and waitresses get the hump because they think their customer is being demanding when it's actually a translation issue. If they’re speaking with an accent the waiters won’t be offended by this type of thing


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OwnHeavyWeapons

You can say it, but nobody else does it


TacticalTuchel

If someone asks what do you want, I think saying "I want..." is valid.


EnanoMaldito

who the hell says that


RiotSynthetics

Have spoken Spanish my whole life and I’ve literally never heard anyone say this lmfao tf you talking about


Tave_112

If you say "quisiera un sandwich" it sounds like you can't have it. It's only used in "quisiera un sandwich, pero" ("I would love a sandwich, but") or something like "ay, como quisiera un sandwich" ("oh, how I would love a sandwich"). You would say it in a situation like if you only have $4 and the cheapest sandwich is $5.


Frijolitostado

Time to ask [Lukaku's mom to go on a pilgrimage again and ask a vodoo](https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/jan/09/romelu-lukaku-voodoo-message-everton-chelsea-farhad-moshiri)


lord-___-vader

City has multiple players that can play at insane levels at multiple positions. I'm sure that lessens the blows due to Covid and injuries.


Ubiquitous1984

Yeah the flexibility of the players in a real plus. City’s players seem to have a lot of footballing intelligence, which I guess is important to thrive in a Pep side.


unwildimpala

People keep harping on about their depth, which is pretty insane, but what remarkable is the cover different players can give to so many different positions. What really helps City is that Pep has managed to make alot of them understand how to excel in a variety of roles which helps during injury crises. Heck wasn't their a period either last season or the season before he had Gundogan playing as a false 9?


Karma_Whoring_Slut

It’s honestly insane that people harp on our depth. We have two positions (striker and leftback) for which we don’t have a naturally playing senior (zinchenko might count as a leftback at this point, but he is supposedly going to be transitioned back to midfield). On top of this, we have one of the smallest squads in the league.


Gonions

I think we can safely call Zinchenko a fullback now. He’s played there almost exclusively for City.


ChlamydiafreeKoala

Zinchenko is a testament to his adaptability and Peps guidance. City full backs often play as inverted midfielders, Zinchenko isn’t technically brilliant or even physically amazing: he does play to the system, and consistently does what Pep needs. I don’t think zinny would make the starting 11 for most of the top 6 but boy do we love the Ukrainian KDB.


Karma_Whoring_Slut

Out of pure necessity. He plays midfield for Ukraine (where he could have his pick of positions), he played midfield on his academy teams, he played midfield before our leftback crisis, and the plan is for him to transition back to midfield. He’s been playing there because we are desperate for someone to play there. If he and the club could choose where he played, he would be playing midfield. But we have no leftback.


shakaconn

i mean, it feels like you're being willfully obtuse here, it's obvious when people talk about your depth it's about quality not quantity, a lot of the players you can bring off the bench could start for ANY of the other top 6 teams, which is not the case for those other clubs(except maybe Chelsea), and on top of that they are all extremely smart and versatile, allowing for creative problem solving when an injury or some other issue does come up. Which is to say, when you're one of the richest clubs in the world, can afford to pay astronomical transfer fees and wages every year, and you have one of the greatest managers in the history of the game people aren't going to cut you alot of slack.


Karma_Whoring_Slut

Is our squad strong? Yes. Is it deep? No. Depth is about quality and quantity. We have quality. But we seriously lack in quantity.


shakaconn

I’m not even trying to say you’re wrong, I’m really just saying that everything else being true it’s not surprising you guys aren’t given the benefit of the doubt, given the very strong position of the club in general


IM_JUST_BIG_BONED

Their depth isn’t insane. They have a small squad.


cdoink

I agree. This is often overlooked but Pep has created a squad with a lot of flexibility and that's probably the biggest reason they are able to feel less impact when missing players.


dainaron

City also has fewer senior players than Chelsea and Liverpool.


The_Klarr

yeah, it also helps when your 2nd team would probably finish top 4 in the EPL. So even if you lose your entire starting 11 you are still super competitive.


JediNinja

I don't think we have enough players anymore for a 2nd team lol. https://i.imgur.com/syduRIq.png


Gonions

If Tahith Chong, a player out on loan from us, can count in our squad depth, surely the likes of Palmer, Delap, McAtee etc. count for you. Not arguing that you have fewer senior players, just that your spreadsheet isn’t really complete.


arroiuqlu

Their B team wouldn't even finish top 10.


PencilTheTool

The number of people commenting without taking into account the context is just peak r/soccer. Tuchel spoke about City and Pep with a lot of respect and even admitted that he made a mistake last time we faced them. He never sounded like he was looking for excuses, this was just his observation.


AmericanSoccerFan420

same thing happens with all the quotes posted on here. people take the juiciest soundbite, strip all context, then allow everyone who reads it to froth at the mouth with rage. doesnt help the fact that no one on here ever actually watches the interviews lol.


SoWhatNoZitiNow

Same shit happens basically whenever Klopp opens his mouth. Quotes are taken out of context and simple observations are taken as complaints or excuses.


dbrasco_

Lol I thought the same thing. He’s basically just complimenting City’s medical team (is how I read it)


SquidTwister

People always take German managers quotes out of context They speak very frankly and bluntly but without vitriol


like_my_likes

First Time? Liverpool fans have to see this shit for almost every klopp quote thread I think.


ManBoobs13

Yeah just German manager things. The parts of their quotes that are posted always sound worse in isolation…almost like that’s why they are posted that way.


RAPanoia

I wish mods would remove this kind of clickbait or atleast tag it


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the sooner you notice most people are as dumb as a rock it’s better and more depressing for you


CoochieSnotSlurper

Tuchel and Klopp saying the same thing yet hoes mad


Accomplished_Grass32

People like to take comments out of context to rip on people


pricklywit

I would honestly like to see a ban on these quotes, they dont do anything to promote good discussion, just blinkered rubbish.


AggressiveChungus

People in this comment section are comparing Chelsea’s and City’s covid cases but the real difference, and probably what Tuchel meant more, is that Chelsea have had a lot of injuries while City have not.


NightSlash210

Also worth mentioning that we had a long run of games where we had multiple players get injured during the games which I haven't seen happen to many other teams recently. We had to make half time subs in almost every game in December which is crazy


HiThereImNat

Exactly this. We have a very strong squad but on the weekend city will be able to field a considerably stronger one, whereas with Mendy, Reece, Chalobah, Chilwell maybe it would look more even for us.


Karma_Whoring_Slut

Lack an injuries isn’t just a matter of luck though. There is an element to our style that makes injuries less likely. Slow and controlled play is almost always going to lead to fewer injuries. Now, there obviously is some luck to this. But it’s not all there is to it.


AggressiveChungus

Impact injuries can happen with any playstyle though. Chilwell’s season ending injury for example had nothing to do with how we play.


Karma_Whoring_Slut

Yes. That’s why I said there is still some luck.


Ubiquitous1984

Hats off to the first manager who says “yeah City have had COVID and injuries but fair play, they dealt with it well”


never_pm_me_ok

Klopp said that. “"The situation when you have this kind of close fight, especially with an incredibly consistent team like City. It looks like they are not even a little bit fazed by covid or injuries. They are in a good moment, it's just how it is."


YourDadHatesYou

But they haven't had that? Theyve been "relatively" safe from both


pewdieboi29

? Had De Bruyne out at the start of the season. Then Walker and Foden. 7 first team players were Covid positive just 10 days ago and Pep says more positives have been found in the last day or two. We've had to deal with injuries and Covid just like everyone else, and mind you with one of the smallest squads in the PL (17 first team players if I'm not wrong).


mufffff

He's talking about the title race, how is missing 7 players from a cup match relevant?


pewdieboi29

Covid doesn't just affect you for a week, it's impacts can stay with you for weeks or months.


obtuseme

7 first team players with Covid, injuries at some point for Stones, Zinchenko, Walker, Foden, Gundogan, KDB, Grealish. Relatively safe tho


sn0lo

This comment section is a disaster


Omair88

Welcome to the internet


pratiks7

... On top off that they play excellent football.


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and yet they still aren't champions of europe


prophecy0091

I await the day when this response is no longer valid. Maybe then it’ll be ‘but they haven’t even won fifa club World Cup lol’


027eddy

Then it would be multiple time champions vs 1 Mickey Mouse championship


Captain_Cudi

Exactly this. I remember when people dismissed Pep's Centurions because _"you need to win back to back titles to be considered a great team"_. City following up with a domestic treble led to _"not even a real treble"_ arguments. City being mid table in November 2020 led to _"This is proof that Pep can't rebuild a team and Liverpool have overtaken them"_ .City winning a 4th league in 5 years will be met with _"they were just lucky with COVID"_ The goalposts keep moving but City keep scoring.


inbred_baker

Fewer.


Manifesto8

City had 7 players and 13 staff members with Covid How much more do they need to suffer ? Last year when they had 10 days break due to Covid outbreak at the training ground, it was said that it helped them staying fresh Some even went so far to say that Pep engineered the outbreak in order to give his team a breathing lol Ridiculous


runnerswanted

City did not get a 10 day break last season. They played Newcastle on Boxing Day, and then went to Chelsea on January 3rd. One game was postponed, away to Everton, which was moved to mid-week between a home game against Spurs and a trip to Arsenal. This was also pre-vaccine, and players could not train until two days before the trip to Chelsea (who had been able to train the whole time). This bullshit narrative that City got a boost from missing a single game and not being able to train needs to stop.


antantoon

And let's dispel once and for all with this fiction that Pep doesn't know what he's doing. He knows exactly what he's doing


arroiuqlu

What do you mean exactly?


vrogo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUaB\_2tBpig


jstuu

Its actually easier now with covid that last year when people were not vaccinated and the quarantine time was way longer.


CruyffsPlan

As a Barcelona fan let me tell you that when you’re “the best” people will look at you differently and criticize you more. When we were the best club side ever, we were the “only team that tapped up players. Only team that surrounded the referees, etc” Pep is the best so everything he does will get looked at differently. It’s a compliment really


bourom

Good thing you don't have to deal with that burden anymore.


Sensitive_Duty7371

Same for you


villyboy97

They never suffered that burden.


GjillyG

ouch


chkoupistany

When did suffer from it?


Dske

Yeah I feel for Real Madrid


boustead

Exactly. It's pure jealousy.


Misha_stone

But you were indeed the only team that surrounded the referees. It was quite disgusting, actually.


tr_24

Or maybe actually look at the number of matches missed which is based on facts instead of bringing this tinpot theory.


CruyffsPlan

LOL. When you’re the best people over analyze everything you do. That’s a fact and not a tin point theory. Don’t be stupid. When City had a outbreak they were “lucky” to have rested players and now they’ve been lucky to play the same players while everyone else has covid and the other top 2 managers in the league won’t Shutup about it. The goal posts will obviously switch for Pep just like in his whole career.


tr_24

At what point of the season 4-5 City players were missing consecutive premier league matches? At what point of the season, City were missing multiple player with long term injuries? City having best squad doesn't mean they have been lucky with external factors.


dave1992

This is not the case though. There's few games that Chelsea and Liverpool played that the entire starting midfield was injured (Kante, Kovacic, Jorginho for Chelsea and Henderson, Fabinho, Thiago for Liverpool), in addition to that, one or two other midfielders are also injured. These kind of bad injuries haven't happened to City yet. There's no games when they were forced to play with their sixth, seventh and eighth choice midfielders. Imagine if Gundogan, Rodri, de Bruyne, Bernardo and Fernandinho all got injured at the same time. That's literally what happened at Chelsea and Liverpool. Who would they even field if injury crisis as bad as this happened? Grealish Foden and one of the U23 kids in midfield? When they do, I'm sure they will struggle as much as Chelsea/Liverpool.


4ssteroid

Mate, we've played 2 seasons without a striker. The season before without centre backs. So you compare 3 Liverpool midfielders being out is similar to 5 City midfielders? Stop whining. Pep plays a different game that doesn't tire players out too much. We gave up counter attacks and goal difference because of that. It's risky but it's paid off in the last couple of seasons. It's our system that has kept injuries low and 8-9 players can play multiple positions. We've coped with our injuries while you guys haven't. Covid is a different thing and we've had a few outbreaks too although not as damaging as the other two.


dave1992

3 Liverpool midfielders? Liverpool were without 5 midfielders at times. On top of Fabinho, Thiago and Henderson getting injured, we were also without Elliott and Keita, which ended up us having to play Jones, Morton and Ox in midfield. So I'm just using example of injury issues that happened with Liverpool and Chelsea, to how City never got these issue. You've never coped with injury issues because yours never been that bad. Whether City's low injury happened to be because of system or not I don't know, but the fact is, injury crisis of 5 players in same position at City, it never happened while it clearly have happened at Chelsea and Liverpool. Also, "without center backs" are absolutely shit example from you. You're only without Laporte. Stones and Otamendi was relatively fit entire season. Without center backs are like Liverpool last season when we were without van Dijk, Matip, and Gomez. Without striker isn't relevant when you don't play without striker anyway. That's like saying Liverpool are playing without 10, well no shit, we don't play with 10.


Pasapaa

Pretty much everyone in our team except the keepers have missed games due to injuries or COVID. I don't think we ever had a full fit squad in this season.


NJDevil802

Not sure why Tuchel and yourself include injuries in this. I fail to see how it's City's problem that you have injuries. And then the not being hit by COVID is just an outright lie.


Pasapaa

I don't recall anyone saying it's City's problem that we have injuries and he said that they were less affected by Covid compared to other teams .


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Wilhelm_IV

City have all the points they have because they’re great. We have less points than we would have had if we had more of our players available this December. No disrespect to city, but the gap widened significantly because of our injury/COVID issues.


JoshWheezer

You haven’t even watched the press conference and you’re making this stupid assumption based on an out of context quote.


Albiceleste_D10S

He's including injuries because he's complimenting City's medical team for handling the current situation well, LOL


tr_24

Hell even the first choice GK is out for a month due to afcon when we have so many matches in a month.


sublimepoetry

You have a £72m back up keeper.


damola44

We’ll see what their excuse is next year when they are out of the race by December


JoshWheezer

Have fun in Europa next season.


tr_24

And? He may as well have been a billion pound back up. It is not as if the situation is like psg where they have Navas and Donnarumma. The main point was we never had our first XI have a proper run of matches. But great way of deflecting the original point.


sublimepoetry

If your £72m back up keeper isn't good enough for you, that's not City's fault. If anything happens to Ederson, City will play with a $7 million keeper. That's your "insane depth" right there.


tr_24

The whole point is nothing has happened to Ederson. Nor to a lot of other City players which made them miss a lot of matches. I suggest you start with reading the headline first.


CarlColgate

Except that's not true. City have had Foden, Stones, Walker, Zinchenko, KDB, Rodri all get covid this season and that's all before the recently reported large outbreak amongst staff and players.


MagmaWhales

Cancelo got fucking robbed and assaulted which left him with a bruised face. Man played against Arsenal two days later because there were no other fit fullbacks


Karma_Whoring_Slut

Walker and cancelo are our only recognized senior fullbacks. Zinchenko is a midfielder playing as a fullback because that’s where we’ve needed him.


SeftoK

Don’t pick holes in the woe is me narrative. It’s only just been repaired


msbr_

They've missed 5 players for 15 games we've missed 18 for 90+ now.


cheadley23

18 players for 90 games is just blatantly false


msbr_

It's absolutely not false? We've had 18 players in our first team squad out for a total of 90 games between them. We tried to tell people we've been ravaged by injuries, no need to be weird about it.


vrogo

>for a total of 90 games between them should have put the combined amount for city as well, then... Torres alone missed close to 15 games, I think, and that was the only striker in their squad


tr_24

The fact that the other guy is upvoted despite not knowing the facts should tell you the absolute state of this thread.


Ultimasmit

You can't say one false fact and then one supposed correct fact, make a comparison and then say you know the facts. We've had more than 5 players out and KDB and foden alone have missed over 15 games combined.


LessBrain

I actually calculated it 2-3 weeks back we had like 7 players out for a total of 45+ games I don’t know what the fuck that Chelsea fan is spewing Here found it - this was 15 days ago: PL games missed due to injury/covid/other: |Players|Games missed||Players|Games missed| :--|--:|:--|:--|--:| |Torres|13||Pulisic|9| |Kevin De Bruyne|5||Chillwell|8| |John Stones|5||Kovacic|8| |Kyle Walker|4||Werner|7| |Phil Foden|4||Kante|6| |Rodri|3||Lukaku|5| |Ilkay Gündogan|3||Havertz|3| |Oleksandr Zinchenko|3||Mount|1| |Total|40|||47| This has probably now gone up with all our recent Covid cases


cheadley23

Just the way it was worded was confusing and clearly other people felt the same way


Brisingamen1

You're right. I read it that 18 players have missed 90 games. (What he said). Not that 18 players missed 90 games in total together. Sure that can happen. One player alone could miss 75 of those games, and the other 17 miss just 15 together.. He didn't even state it was this season only. (Covid's been rampant for years now + the comment he was replying to was talking about last years covid outbreak). He did phrase it badly.


Wilhelm_IV

He somehow thinks you’re saying each of those 18 players have missed 90 games this season. Which is obviously not what you meant because there haven’t been 90 games…


IM_JUST_BIG_BONED

You’re squad is also significantly bigger than Citys


awwbabe

Injuries are more likely to happen when you can’t rotate players because of covid. We were unfortunate that our covid hit came just as the fixture pile up over Xmas. No games cancelled. More games than usual. No rotation because of covid. More injuries. Less rotation etc etc


mufffff

You know Tuchel is answering a question about the title race? When did Man City miss 7 players from a PL match?


tr_24

>City had 7 players and 13 staff members with Covid You are being disingenuous. How many of them missed major premier league matches and how many matches? Almost all top 6 clubs had players missing a lot of matches due to injuries or covid. How many long term injuries City have?


Manifesto8

So it’s the players fault that they are up and running with in a week ? What are you trying to say here ?


tr_24

Eh? Where did I say that? At least for Chelsea a lot of players contracted covid when we had premier league matches every 3 days. Not to mention we also had long term injuries to lot of our players. So it is fair to say we have been unlucky in that department which is what Tuchel commenting on. Honestly your comment make no sense.


Susieu2626

It really doesn’t make sense does it, guy can’t understand that the one time City were hit bad with COVID, the only game they had is Swindon. Which Is obviously not their fault but other teams have not been as fortunate.


wereinthedark

This really is an awful interpretation of a comment. "One club has been lucky, another has been unlucky" "So it's the players fault?"


Manifesto8

City hasn’t been lucky, they have been good.


wereinthedark

How's that relevant to my point? And how does being good protect you from injuries and covid?


Rory-mcfc

I think City’s vaccination rate is very high which is a factor too


4ssteroid

I think it's been determined vaccination rates don't affect omicron transmission much


realsomalipirate

Vaccination and specifically booster shots do lower omicron transmission https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/omicron-cannot-escape-t-cells-boosters-protect-households-omicron-2021-12-29/ Even being double vaccinated will still lower rates of transmissions when compared to the unvaccinated (though not as well against Delta and other covid variants). Also being vaccinated greatly lowers risk of hospitalization and death.


dave1992

but the likes of Liverpool got 100% vaccination rate and yet having more problems with covid than city.


Takka_Tikka

Lots of problems with false positives


ManBoobs13

No, they’re not. Jesus Christ false information goes fast. These individuals tested positive on LFT, then positive on PCR, which is our confirmatory test. This makes them true positives. A couple days later, they tested negative. They had cleared the virus. We are seeing very very rapid clearance of omicron, particularly in young and vaccinated individuals.


Brisingamen1

That's just not true, but OK.


chanandlerbonggg_

Klopp and Tuchel have the same philosphy and mindset,maybe it's a german thing..


erldn123

It's a not in first place thing, Pep has had comments like this when Liverpool won the league he said City played more games total over xmas period which was a factor.... How are people so dense about stuff managers say all the time.


MagmaWhales

Really? The way I remember it Pep was crticizing City's christmas schedule and PL scheduling overall. Iirc Klopp backed him up and said the same thing about the PL and Liverpool


IM_JUST_BIG_BONED

Every single top manager that goes to PL complains about the Christmas schedule and people still see as them making excuses


NealioTheDealio

Pep complains about it every year Not exactly new


Chiswell123

Quote?


thedeatheater1410

Waiting for their godfather Ragnick to do the same


loveandmonsters

Weird reading this exact same thread unfolding as when Klopp said the exact same thing a few weeks ago


Mick4Audi

Anytime a season goes to absolute hell with variability, it is City who are there to profit They have the highest tolerance for adversity of the title contenders


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Fati25

What is up with these excuses man? Why do Tuchel and Klopp keep mentioning the fact that City have had less COVID/injury absences?


Chucksson37

Or maybe both Klopp and Tuchel know something that average Joe on soccer forum doesnt


pixelkipper

do you think there’s a conspiracy lol City is just a very tightly run operation when it comes to COVID and discipline in general.


No-Shoe5382

Isn't this precisely what Tuchel is saying though? Why is it fine for you to say it, but when he says it he's making excuses?


mannyklein

“This is the big difference” it’s something out of tuchel’s and klopp’s control yet both bring it up as to why City have built a lead, sounds like discrediting. “We’d be just like them if we were just like them”


GjillyG

Because one is a random redditor and the other is a football coach?


Credk

Grealish and Foden are out clubbing every other night and getting pegged. They’ve been fortunate, not extra cautious


pixelkipper

That was one high profile incident and they’ve been punished quite heavily for it. Though it is lucky they didn’t catch covid I suppose.


Credk

The Foden/Greenwood incident was during Covid too, there have been several incidents with Foden. He’s shown a repeated disregard of the rules, Kyle Walker was hosting sex parties and something tells me Mendy wasn’t exactly showing a regard for the rules either when he was getting up to his shenanigans. City players have been in the headlines for breaking the rules more than any other, it’s absolutely a fortune thing rather than cautiousness around the virus


PainfulAngel

please listen to yourself 😭😭


boustead

Lmao wrong sub mate


Mxurn

It‘s about taking the focus off your players and onto the opponents more than anything else tbf. He‘s right though as well, City got blessed with injuries and Covid so far and their depth is insane regardless, so I guess Tuchel is just trying to shift the pressure as good as he possibly can. Rhetorically speaking, Tuchel is probably one of the best as well.


sublimepoetry

> their depth is insane regardless Their depth is not "insane", they have only [17 first team players compared to 22 you have](https://i.imgur.com/wCl6rgZ.png).


Akira_Nishiki

Less depth, but much higher quality depth options.


sublimepoetry

> but much higher quality depth options. Of course they have world class players, but so do Liverpool and Chelsea. Also Fernandinho is 36 years old, his legs are gone. If anything happens to Rodri, City could well be in trouble. Walker recently had Covid and for 3-4 games, Zinchenko and Cancelo played without rotation every 3 days as they have no back ups. And in a covid outbreak, you need "depth" as much as "quality" when you don't have enough first team players to play every 3 days.


runnerswanted

Walker also lost a close friend to suicide and was given compassionate time off.


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sublimepoetry

I said first team players, two of the players you mentioned play for the youth team. Torres is gone. Only Palmer is ready for the league among youth players. Mendy was never a factor. He barely played in reality. Even when fit (which he hardly ever was), it was always Zinchenko (attacking midfielder) and Cancelo (right back) playing there And he's gone too, so I don't know what your point in counting two players who aren't there.


pixelkipper

City’s depth is definitely not ‘insane’ anymore. It used to be incredible about 2-3 years ago but now it’s a regular top team, except they also don’t have a natural LB or striker. The wings are the only places you can say the depth is truly world class.


SeftoK

The city squad is tiny in comparison. You just mean *better* depth


Mxurn

Yeah, kinda badly worded. Definitely meant regarding quality, not regarding quantity.


boustead

Makes up for other years with injuries.


Mxurn

Yep, nor trying to moan or anything, you just need some luck to win the PL with Liverpool, City and Chelsea being this well managed right now imo. City is an insane team and they seem to be it this year again.


Manifesto8

City has a smaller squad than Chelsea


retr0grade77

Rival fans get so wound up by managers taking pressure off their own players by pointing things out like this. Then they have a meltdown when a manager calls a player out for underperforming.


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so rather you act deluded and call them lucky makes sense


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boustead

Lmao calling an opposing team lucky doesn't instill confidence and belief.


Fati25

So the solution to that is to make excuses? Personally I think they should just accept the reality and not make these excuses. These players aren't some sort of newborn babies, if the truth is that they aren't good enough then you should tell them that to their faces.


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Fati25

That's not a similar situation Here, Tuchel is making excuses. He is not praising his team or anything If he said something like "City are good, but we can compete with then" then alright that's totally fine. But here he is just straight up making excuses


dave1992

Rather than excuse, that's the reason why Chelsea and Liverpool are behind City.


boustead

They are behind because City are better. Pep is better.


Fati25

Surely you don't think Liverpool/Chelsea are better than City?


akshayks1995

Anything can happen in football and league tables can be deceiving. City were clear favorites to win the CL final last season being nineteen points ahead of Chelsea and we all know how that turned out, schooled by the underdog. Let's not pretend that Chelsea haven't been hit by some serious injuries. A manager states a fact and people's head start rolling.


boustead

Schooled? Hardly.


ManchesterisBleu

How can league tables be deceiving lmao, if anything knockout matches are deceiving. Neither Kloop nor Tuchel have been able to beat City away this year, was that lucky? This woe is me, defeatist attitude, is so gross from a team like Liverpool thats literally top 3 in the world. People who seemingly dont care about city whine about them so much


dave1992

Well let me tell you about real world. There's no black and white thing about who is better than who. Teams can only work hard to compete. Among those teams who competed, anybody can win depending on who is having better year. Was Chelsea really the best team in Europe last year? Not really. If we're talking specifically only in the league, was Liverpool better than City in 2019-2020? Was City better than Liverpool in 2018-2019? Was City better than Liverpool in 2020-2021? Trophies won implied that, but that doesn't immediately make either is strictly better than the other. There's no such thing as best, just groups of great teams who are close to each other and most of them can be better than each other depending on literally so many internal and external factors. Getting more injuries or covid could easily be that factor.


Fati25

I tell you in black and white that City are better than both Liverpool & Chelsea over 38 games in the league. I don't even understand how you think they aren't.


tr_24

Are you also going to tell in black and white that Leicester had a better squad than every other club in 2015-16? And while they played well, didn't they benefit from other top clubs collectively shitting the bed?


Fati25

Jesus christ there is no comparison between this Man City team and Leicester 15/16 lol


msbr_

They've missed 5 players for 15 games we've missed 18 for 90+ now. Obviously that benefits them. They just got lucky with it all which is fair enough.


21otiriK

City have had plenty of Covid cases and injuries. They just don’t whinge and moan about it like Chelsea did throughout December. Chelsea missed an average of 4.75 players per game in December. That’s it. - Watford (2-1 W). 4 players missing. - West Ham (3-2 L). 4 players missing. - Zenit (3-3). 5 players missing. - Leeds (3-2 W). 4 players missing (Leeds had 5). - Everton (1-1). 6 players missing (Everton had 6). - Wolves (0-0). 7 players missing (Wolves had 6). - Villa (3-1 W). 4 players missing. - Brighton (1-1). 4 players missing. They have a squad of 22/23 senior outfield players, plus arguably the best academy in world football. It’s one of the most expensive sides ever assembled, with even more expensive depth than City. The way they went on last month and asked for postponements was nothing short of embarrassing.


PurpleSquirrel0

During this time chelsea barely had a midfield. kova and kante were injured. Jorginho, RLC and chalobah had to play with injuries. And james and chilwell both got injuries to rule them out for a while.


ubertraquer

Chelsea asked for one postponement not because of the players missing but out of concern that there were players in the side who had it but weren’t testing positive yet. Nothing embarrassing about it.


drowsypants

You need to look at our bench vs City bench and tell me player for player who is better and reconsider that and playing unproven academy players in the premiship with no experience is not going to happen


mufffff

> City have had plenty of Covid cases and injuries How many City players have missed PL games because of COVID?


CarlColgate

Off the top of my head City have had Foden, Stones, Walker, Zinchenko, KDB, Rodri all missed PL games because of covid this season and that's all before the recently reported large outbreak amongst staff and players. The reason you don't here about it is its the clubs policy to not publish the players covid issues so you only hear about it when they're missing from the match or after the game in Peps interviews.


21otiriK

Nearly half of their squad. Steffen, Laporte, Walker, Stones, Zinchenko, Rodri, KdB, Foden, Torres. On top of that, Sterling, Grealish, Fernandinho also missed the cup game. Like I said, City just don’t whinge about it.


mufffff

Not really true at all. When did Torres get COVID for City this season? He tested positive hours after he signed for Barcelona, how could he get it now if he already had it this season? Laporte tested positive last season? Steffen wouldn't have played anyway... Foden, (Stones?) and Zinchenko have only missed Arsenal game because of COVID... >On top of that, Sterling, Grealish, Fernandinho also missed the cup game. Not sure how that is relevant to a question about the league title....


TheMightyGatekeeper

Oh Tuchel, do you need a WAAAH-mbulance too?


jstuu

City seemed to have planned better even with their signing outside of Mahrez they dont have that many players lost to Afcon. Then you look at their rivals they all lost key players due to afcon and that aint on City


Cowdude179

If we didn't have the Chilwell injury and other injuries + covid we'd be up there with Pep


Shandow14

They contained it better I suppose, or is he suggesting foul play?


dave1992

not really suggesting foul play, nothing wrong saying someone is luckier than other.


AnnieIWillKnow

No he's not an Arsenal fan


ChrisChrisBangBang

Having a B team that would challenge for top 4 probably helps


MagmaWhales

And what would that B team be?


Patrickk_batemann

Right because Chelsea only has 9 players in their squad