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Alexis what in tha absolute fuck are you thinking
The issue is he wasn’t thinking
Soft yellow but doesn't excuse coming onto the field that amped up. If it was a derby and we were down a goal, yea, go ahead and be aggressive and crazy. But we are two goals ahead and just need to hold out another 20 minutes. Gotta use your head there.
soft? He prevented the counterattack. It's the tactical part that was the issue
I mean some people clip and completely tug a person by their shirt when stopping a counter attack. Alexis just used his hand to try and get around the player. His intent wasn't to impede the player and stop the counter, rather to position himself to defend it.
I have to say, this was exactly what I was thinking. His criteria was all over the place. I remember one late tackle on Meite (I think) after he made a diagonal cross into the box from the right side, he was first on the ball and he successfully made the long ball but someone was very late and shove a sole into his leg. It wasn't even a foul. This was example for first yellow Slemakers got.
looks like he's gonna go cry in the locker room
That red card could define the rest of his season. I get it.
I don't think so. At this point he's the clear starter over Castillejo tbh. Samu tries hard but he's been off form lately
He just came back from injury, played 8 minutes, and now he misses the next match as well. I understand the frustration
Thought Abisso was biased against us but I guess he's just a shit ref in every game. Or he just hates the Milanese
At this point I dont know if there is any semi-competent ref left in Italy, all of them are just a bunch of clowns
La Penna is great
he missed a penalty for Cagliari imo. I dont think he was that harsh towards Milan. He's just terrible ref.
What penalty? You mean the one where Sottil was holding Brahim's shirt, dragging him down with him?
Check the replays.
That looked a lot worse in real time actually. Looks harsh when watching the replay though.
It's not harsh, it's a yellow, he's stopping a counter by using his hands on the opponents shoulder
Literally a yellow 100 times out of 100, there doesn't need to be a lot of contact the intent is there and it's stupid
Are people watching the same thing? It's a tactical foul that's a yellow on everyone probably except Casemiro when he does voodoo to the refs
I do see why it's given, of course. But there's a blurred line between many supposed tactical fouls and general, instinctive jostling. If it were him holding the jersey or holding the player for half a second it'd be an obvious, intentional pull. But when someone runs across you it's almost instinctual to use your arms a bit, a hand on the shoulder for a mere millisecond is sometimes unavoidable unless you want to absolutely clatter into the back of someone.
It looks more clumsy than a professional, "tactical" foul.
There's no such thing as a yellow for "stopping a counterattack", nor for a "tactical foul". Nowhere in the laws is anything of the sort written.
The offense you're thinking of which carries an automatic yellow is called "stopping a promising attack". Determining what constitutes a promising attack is based on four factors: distance from the goal, direction of play (generally towards the net or not), number of attackers vs number of defenders, and probability of control. Factors 1 and 3 speak very clearly against this being a promissing attack by any stretch of the imagination.
Neither is this a reckless challenge, nor is it a case of repeated infringement of the laws (it was his second foul of the game).
Never in a million years is this a yellow.
Edit: Lmao downvoted for citing the laws?
Spot on. Harsh!
Nobody's actually read the LOTG, but everybody's an expert.
You've confused 'promising attack' with DOGSO - the 4 factors you've stated are what you consider with DOGSO as per p112 of the laws.
The laws don't give guidance on what a 'promising attack' means.
Regarding your pedantry on people saying 'tactical foul' or 'stopping a counterattack' - just colloquialisms for 'promising attack' - both of those things would be promising attacks by anybody's definition.
If you're going to cite the laws, cite the correct ones.
This falls under USB. USB is a very broad term. Stopping a promising attack is quoted several times in the laws as something that must be cautioned - but whether you want to make some argument over the meaning of the word 'promising' isn't even relevant - as the laws don't say that's the ONLY reason you can caution somebody for a non-reckless foul.
Starting a counter with miles of space, and especially a clearly deliberate foul? This is a textbook yellow. You don't usually give it this far back, sure, but the blatant nature pushes it away from 'benefit of the doubt' territory.
You're right in saying that the laws don't explicitly define what SPA is, and that the factors I cited are only explicitly mentioned for DOGSOs. But I was taught that the same principles can help determine whether a situation falls under SPA, even if you don't absolutely need to have all four for it to be SPA.
The 'pedantry' is specifically because people don't understand that stopping a counterattack isn't an automatic yellow anywhere on the pitch, especially in one's own box. Yoy can't even properly speak of an attack here, literally anything could have happened.
Calling this general unsporting behaviour is a bit abusive. And I didn't say a SPA was the only reason to give a yellow for a non-reckless foul, I said no other criterion was met. I've never seen a SPA called on the edge of a player's own box, no matter what other factors existed. It's not like the game needed the yellow, there was no reason not to go for a warning here and threaten to send him off on the next foul for repeated infringement. This was a very, very soft card no matter how you look at it.
It’s not a yellow by the standard abisso, the referee, set, there was an identical foul on castillejo which didn’t even get a free-kick.
Are you serious ? This thing happened in Barcelona game last night at least 4-5 times in the extra time and no players got yellow for it.
>Literally a yellow 100 times out of 100
It should be, but sometimes it's not given
He played 10 min... and got 2 yellow cards... what an idiot
If that second foul was a yellow there would be 6 reds every game.
Why risk it thoe? The precentag of getting a yellow for the same type of foul in min 5 and min 80 is like day and night. You are 2:0 up 15min to go, not even a counter attack. Just plain stupid in my book.
Yeah, completely unnecessary. I feel like he was just frustrated that the attack didn't work and didn't think things through at all.
For sure. It’s stupid but we’ve seen about 6 or 7 of these exact fouls today. 0 have been yellows.
He stopped them from going on the offense. A tactical foul, you get a yellow for that.
So 2 wrongs = right?
I agree, the yellow on Alexis was right tho. You mentioning other errors does not change that
It does not matter. He was wrong about all the other calls you think of, but not about this specific one against alexis. Alexis should be smarter than that.
Saelemaekers also got elbowed in the face, shoulda just dived tbh. thats what he gets for being tough lmao
what a fucking idiot
The ref? Yes
Not his fault a hand o the shoulder should never be a yellow even more so when its in the other teams box
I disagree. They always give yellows for fouls like this, given it was a potential counter. Just dumb by saelemakers
Thank fuck, a non idiot Milan fan
It's just dumb by Saelsmakers, winning 2-0 and doing this, not even a dangerous counter either the Caglari player is so far away
Im sorry but thats a fucking joke
Soft isn't even the word.
You’re right. Soft isn’t the word. Correct is the word.
It’s an intentional foul to stop a counter. A tactical foul. Nailed on yellow every day of the week.
Both players are jostling for position and Salaemaekers loses out, I don't think it's an intentional foul though.
As much as I try to remain partial obviously I have an inherent bias. Still, I'd be surprised if most people thought that was a yellow-card challenge.
> Both players are jostling for position and Salaemaekers loses out, I don't think it's an intentional foul though.
Once the Cagliari player is in front of Saelemaekers, the fact that Saelemaekers has his hands on the other guys shoulder and pulls him back slightly makes it a foul. It stopped a counter attack.
The foul isn’t a booking for being violent, dangerous, reckless, causing injury or anything like that. It’s a booking for intentionally fouling an opponent in a way that is clearly construed as a tactical foul. Once the ref gave the freekick it was always likely to be a booking. He’s just very unfortunate that it’s a second booking.
Saelemaekers is young. This will be a good learning experience for him. He will know going forward that when your team is ahead by more than one and you’re already on a booking, giving away fouls like this is a really bad idea.
It's a correct decision, why is it a joke explain ?
A hand on someones shoulder should never be a yellow i dont care if he is running in last man its a contact sport, he has barley touched him there barley countering never a yellow never even a foul
It's an intentional foul to stop a counter, holy fuck get your biased eyes out of here and think for a minute
Contact sport excuse is hilarious
Obviously im biased but you seriously think that's enough contact to bring him down? Maybe im not seeing something but there is fuck all contact
Not enough to bring him down but you cant straight up grab or pull on someone. It impedes him enough even though no it's not enough to bring him down.
Cynical foul, and on a yellow already sheesh
Stupid but thats pretty harsh
Not that harsh
You don't know the rules?
He stopped a counter by blatantly pulling the player down, that's a yellow card.
Please tell me where you see "stopping a counterattack" as a cautionable offense in the laws. I'll wait.
Evidently you are also unaware of these “rules”
actually Romagnoli deserved yellow for that challenge in my opinion
Stupid by Alexis but hows that a red
Not a red, double yellow.
I know but still soft as a second yellow, its his 2nd foul
Foul on a counter attack it's always a yellow, normally for who made the foul sometimes Leao.
Haha. A sad truth
It’s from behind and it’s destructive.
I agree that it’s a bit harsh as a second yellow, but Saladmaker should definitely know better than to try to foul from behind to break up play when he’s on a yellow.
I see you are a man of culture 😂
But I was told by r/soccer that the refs were helping Milan this season???
its very soft but you shouldn't be giving the ref a decision to make, especially at that point of the pitch, very stupid decision. He only just came back from an injury right? Can't be good for Milan's depth
That's always a yellow guys, he stopped Cagliari counterattack, "fallo tattico"
That was far from being a counterattack
Fouled one is Saelemaekers imo
i love alexis but this was just stupid and naive from him, he knows he is on a yellow and he makes a tactical foul to stop the counter, which is always a yellow, idk what the fuck he was thinking
Alexis got hit in the face before getting his hands on that Cagliari player.
A more "Latin" player would've dived and screamed as soon as he get touched in the face and he would win that foul even after VAR replays.
Once again the refs are encouraging theatrics and punishing those who don't.
could be a yellow because of stopping dangerous counter?
Would be a foul for a first yellow, but not a second yellow. Poor call.
if it's a yellow, it's a yellow - why should a player who has already been booked for seriously breaking the laws get more leeway to do the wrong thing than any other player?
With the Coppa livestreamed on YouTube last weekend, I tried to give Italian football another chance. But just like last week: referees in Italy are plain awful. How is this a second yellow?
Like every other ref in the world is a god amongst men..
I don't understand how someone can complain about this. He's putting his hands all over Ceppitelli from behind, that's a textbook yellow. Salaemakers should know better