Michael Oliver deemed the push on Gomes not to be an obvious foul. Anyone that remembers the soft penalty he gave to Real Madrid against Juve will find that... confusing.
That’s not the problem with Neymar and his behaviour after fouls is still absolutely embarrassing.
Diving is okay and needed unfortunately, but stop the bullshit with rolling around and artificially crying in pain and get up after the whistle. Just stop acting and it’s way better.
You could say it's not so much the necessity for diving, it's the necessity for refs that actually enforce the rules correctly without being influenced by the reaction of the player. If refs got it right this would not be a problem, and they should get it right.
That’s exactly it. Salah gets a bad rep for diving but then there are loads of times that Salah is fouled in the box but doesn’t go down and it’s not a pen but when he does and gets the foul it’s bad
100%, fall over, grab the ball with both hands and the ref feels obliged to give the foul in your favour. Do what Gomez did and the ref/linesman feel ifs fine.
The irony though: against Burnley the VAR official was content to take goals away from Bournemouth when you could easily argue they should have stood. Today Oliver decided he’d let this one pass....
Hard to understand
Yeah I didn't see it either
Edit: it's just before the clip starts, [in this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/feulu2/liverpool_01_bournemouth_wilson_9/fjrfs1u?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)
It's a disgrace. As you know we've been done a few times by it but that's not the issue here. How on earth has the ref not seen that with his own eyes? Baffling.
I think the most annoying thing, is you have no idea why it’s that decision? there is no accountability because we have no clue what’s going on. If we hear Oliver explaining his decision maybe that would
be better? Idek anymore
Because VAR has no spine to actually overrule refereeing decisions apparently. How the fans have not protested the fuck out of this shit is beyond me, it’s literally ruining games. At least before you could just blame the refs for being incompetent, now you actually have a reviewing system and they’re too pansy to actually use it
100% mate - Oliver was the VAR ref and he’s one of the best in the league.
Thing is that VAR itself is fine but the refs on the field and the ones using it are a bloody joke...
And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why players dive.
Getting obviously pushed? It's only a foul when you go to the ground, is what the VAR even seems to think. This is why even defenders dive nowadays.
Funny thing is, this is the perfect opportunity for VAR to actually see things so players dont have to dive.. they are able to see things, they just cant make correct decisions.
Where the video starts, Gomez is so far away from his player because of the push. Push occured half a second before the video starts.
Edit: [replay of the push.](https://twitter.com/LiverpoolFF/status/1236270879283216384?s=19)
That’s why players fall down on every contact. You may see it as diving often, but the fact is you aren’t getting calls when you stay up and shit like this happens.
It's a bit different though. You can afford to do that as a forward looking for a pen, not so much as the last defender. I don't blame Gomez even slightly for staying on his feet in that situation. It's on the referees to gives fouls when they happen even when players don't go down.
That's why "clear and obvious" thing is a fucking joke.
"Oh, I'm just 80% sure that was a foul, so I won't make a call and let VAR decide it." - on-field ref
"If he thought that's ok, fine by me." - VAR, unless it's a handball/offside
So that has to be it for LiVARPool, no one can ever again say VAR is heling liverpool.
That is a textbook freekick as they come, you simply cannot do anything about a push like that as a defende, crazy how that is allowed.
Said the same thing after the Firmino offside at Villa where the lines were sneakily redrawn at the wrong angle. No matter how many tens of decisions go against us, the bitters will spend their whole week shrieking about the one that goes for us.
How does one apply to be a an EPL VAR ref?
I have no qualifications but I’m 100% confident I’d be better than Michael Oliver.
I’m not even exaggerating when I say half this sub would do a better job in the VAR booth. that’s a an unimaginably stupid decision, wish I could be that shit at my job and still keep it.
It's not funny anymore now lads
You really want to fucking relegate us don't you, we gave you six points for crying out loud at least thrash the teams around us
You gave us more considering you beat City.
And now...?
Here have a gift !
Early goal will only invite more pressure from liverpool...its dangerous to have early lead at liverpool but lets see
You're right.
That 10 year old kid having a massive erection rn
The best time to delete that comment was whilst you was writing it, the second best time is now
It can't be deleted from my mind anymore... I miss 5 minutes ago man.
We all do
This comment just put you on a list
Maybe Epstein isn’t dead
Nephew
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Well youre on a list now
Yes officer, this comment right here
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Found Adam Johnson's Reddit account.
I feel terrible for laughing at this. Fuck you.
Dude what the fuck...
refereeing is definitely funny. VAR is pointless if that isn't clear and obvious. put two hands on a man and push him is now no foul.
Michael Oliver deemed the push on Gomes not to be an obvious foul. Anyone that remembers the soft penalty he gave to Real Madrid against Juve will find that... confusing.
0-7 last 4 games, so far
They said it was safe to unclench
Well that’s just wrong
Yeah how does he get upvotes?? At this point we were 3-8 in last 4.
I'm SHOCKED that wasn't called back. Did they even look at the foul or were they just checking for offside? lmao
Twice now the same scenario has happen to us. Other being at United.
The was way more clear cut than United as it happened pretty much in the phase of play that killed us.
VAR against United is a joke
If Gomez goes down that’s a foul but if he doesn’t it’s not? So why should players NOT dive?!?
The necessity of diving is currently my biggest gripe with the sport, even bigger than VAR imo.
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That’s not the problem with Neymar and his behaviour after fouls is still absolutely embarrassing. Diving is okay and needed unfortunately, but stop the bullshit with rolling around and artificially crying in pain and get up after the whistle. Just stop acting and it’s way better.
You could say it's not so much the necessity for diving, it's the necessity for refs that actually enforce the rules correctly without being influenced by the reaction of the player. If refs got it right this would not be a problem, and they should get it right.
I wouldn’t say it’s the need to dive, but just giving into contact and not trying to stay up. Embellishing is different from diving
That’s exactly it. Salah gets a bad rep for diving but then there are loads of times that Salah is fouled in the box but doesn’t go down and it’s not a pen but when he does and gets the foul it’s bad
100%, fall over, grab the ball with both hands and the ref feels obliged to give the foul in your favour. Do what Gomez did and the ref/linesman feel ifs fine. The irony though: against Burnley the VAR official was content to take goals away from Bournemouth when you could easily argue they should have stood. Today Oliver decided he’d let this one pass.... Hard to understand
I wasn’t too bothered when they scored because I knew it was a clear foul and would be pulled back. PL refs are an absolute joke...
Mate I felt the exact same. Didn't even react til it got allowed
Agreed, it’s ridiculous
I'd be fucking fuming if that goal was scored against us. Clear push in the back. Shocking reffing.
Absolutely unbelievable that that wasn't ruled a foul in the first place, VAR or not. What a fucking nonsense.
is the foul not in the clip or am i just blind?
Yeah I didn't see it either Edit: it's just before the clip starts, [in this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/feulu2/liverpool_01_bournemouth_wilson_9/fjrfs1u?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)
cheers
Thanks for asking the question, I was going insane trying to see the foul. Happy CakeDay
I haven't watched the clip. I'm watching the game live on BT Sports.
Mate you should know better than most Var is a meme
It's a disgrace. As you know we've been done a few times by it but that's not the issue here. How on earth has the ref not seen that with his own eyes? Baffling.
I think the most annoying thing, is you have no idea why it’s that decision? there is no accountability because we have no clue what’s going on. If we hear Oliver explaining his decision maybe that would be better? Idek anymore
It’s a disgrace, a fucking disgrace
It’s not VAR, people need to be explicitly clear that the refereeing is the problem.
I really think it’s only in England cause the refs are against it so they do on purpose to fail.
Var is not bad, it is only a tool for refs. The refs on the other hand do not know how to use it cause they are proper shite
These refs are shit lol
Bruh
Bruhmouth
All I can think of is the nervous black dude sweating meme when I imagine LVP fans atm lol.
Put some respect on Academy Award-winner Jordan Peele’s name edit: “LVP”? Bruh
Lobin Van Persie
VAR hello?
VAR machine broke
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Definitely should have been. Very clear and obvious, should still be 0-0
That was such a foul hahaha
You're joking with that push right?
Hahahahahha the refs in this league
How in hell the ref and var both allowed this
Because VAR has no spine to actually overrule refereeing decisions apparently. How the fans have not protested the fuck out of this shit is beyond me, it’s literally ruining games. At least before you could just blame the refs for being incompetent, now you actually have a reviewing system and they’re too pansy to actually use it
100% mate - Oliver was the VAR ref and he’s one of the best in the league. Thing is that VAR itself is fine but the refs on the field and the ones using it are a bloody joke...
Is it ego causing Premier League refs not to take advantage of VAR? Do they believe they can't be wrong or something?
I love see them losing but that's a laughable decision.
It’s amazing how consistently shit they are like every single game there’s something obvious
And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why players dive. Getting obviously pushed? It's only a foul when you go to the ground, is what the VAR even seems to think. This is why even defenders dive nowadays.
Funny thing is, this is the perfect opportunity for VAR to actually see things so players dont have to dive.. they are able to see things, they just cant make correct decisions.
Absolute fucking joke
Maybe the easiest decision the ref will have to make today - embarrassing
Bullshit thing is if Gomez goes down the refs give that as a foul straight away. This sort of referring encourages diving.
Surely that was a push?
Wait where was the push I've watched the video here 4 times and haven't seen it. I am blind or was it in the lead up
In the lead up on Gomez
Where the video starts, Gomez is so far away from his player because of the push. Push occured half a second before the video starts. Edit: [replay of the push.](https://twitter.com/LiverpoolFF/status/1236270879283216384?s=19)
I guess we can start pushing players from behind now
Liverpool players should just push every Bournemouth player in the back from now on, let’s see what the ref will do.
Milner just did a push when dueling for a hearder, no foul given when it was also clearly one. Ref is ridiculous in this match.
Ya I think he realized he couldn't call it or the place would erupt.
Tbf it seems he has let alot of pushes go since.
100% foul. Ridicoulous refereeing.
That’s why players fall down on every contact. You may see it as diving often, but the fact is you aren’t getting calls when you stay up and shit like this happens.
In theory, VAR should mean you don't have to fall theatrically to get a free kick. In theory.
It's a bit different though. You can afford to do that as a forward looking for a pen, not so much as the last defender. I don't blame Gomez even slightly for staying on his feet in that situation. It's on the referees to gives fouls when they happen even when players don't go down.
You should never blame him. It's a clear foul anyway you slice it
Mental that it wasn't called. This is why everyone fucking drops.
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100% on Tierney. VAR won't overturn if head ref doesnt't allow it. Fucking shitshow.
That's why "clear and obvious" thing is a fucking joke. "Oh, I'm just 80% sure that was a foul, so I won't make a call and let VAR decide it." - on-field ref "If he thought that's ok, fine by me." - VAR, unless it's a handball/offside
God forbid Gomez doesn't go down. Shambolic and absolutely infuriating
How the fuck has that been allowed to stand, Gomez should have gone down.
I thought VAR was suppose to identify instances like this so players dont need to flop to the ground at any chance.
LiVARpool
That's why you go down even if you could stay up. Not that it wasn't a foul, they're just not given if you stay up.
Hes a defender and the last man , you cant take that risk
Absolutely shocking.
Wait where is the foul??
Fuck off
r/liverpoolfc is about to go from 160k to 240k and back to 160k members in one season
I mean, good. Fuck bandwagoners.
About 80k of those 160k are probably also bandwagoners that jumped on the train since Liverpool had their CL run 2 years ago
I joined when Shaqiri joined... Does this make me a bandwagoner?
It makes you a cubist
I can live^2 with that
That's a square not a cube you absolute spastic plastic
Truee I am retarded^3
Look I hate liverpool as much as anyone but let’s not pretend they’re not one of the worlds best supported teams too
Don't be so rational. Clearly we've only been on of the world's best supported clubs since this run.
Seconded
yes
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Not like reddevils and gunners didn’t grow in similar fashion.
Please this, but with 3 points today
What he said.
LiVARpool strikes again
Lol video nicely edited to remove the foul. Ok.
LMAO this is ridiculous
WHAT THE FUCK
Thefuck is this shit, allowed to push?
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Push was right before this clip starts
Surprisingly the clip starts 1 second after the push.
It’s right before the clip starts. Clear shove on Gomez by Wilson.
Must be before, I can't see anything wrong in the clip
Same thing that happened with Traore and Mendy. If he doesn't go down it's not a foul, right?
So funny you say this because I brought up the same thing. Traore push was WAYYY worse than that
LiVARpool am I right?
Starting the clip after the push. Christ
Okay I thought I was going crazy. I kept replaying trying to figure out where the foul was.
How is that not a foul wtf
“Michael Oliver is the VAR official today” - enough said.
Oliver is a good referee
He has had quite a few shit decisions lately
Somebody's spiked his porridge
Satan is a good man
Michael Oliver is one of the best refs
The bar is in hell
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Such an obvious foul ffs Edit: Fuck off VAR
Honestly such an obvious push by him there..
Need to throw away all the PL refs and replace them with rugby ones who actually have the stones to overturn bad decisions
I have more confidence in a rugby ref with zero preparation to officiate the PL than anyone currently attempting to.
Fuck off VAR
lIvArpOoL
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What other way to start the weekend off but with shit refereeing and VAR mistakes. Michael Oliver is the VAR ref too.
What the fuck
That’s a foul on Gomez for sure, this is not a shoulder-shoulder contact, this a clear « get the fuck out of here » push
So that has to be it for LiVARPool, no one can ever again say VAR is heling liverpool. That is a textbook freekick as they come, you simply cannot do anything about a push like that as a defende, crazy how that is allowed.
Said the same thing after the Firmino offside at Villa where the lines were sneakily redrawn at the wrong angle. No matter how many tens of decisions go against us, the bitters will spend their whole week shrieking about the one that goes for us.
Quite a few comments saying it’s not a foul, but that’s a blatant push in the back for me.
Almost everyone agrees that its a foul tho?
The landscape of upvotes has changed since my comment. It was also a more general observation.
He let that shit stand? What a joke this is already.
Wow.
Honestly that’s a fucking joke of a decision.
How is that not a foul?
You know it's bad when PETER WALTON says it should be a foul
but but LiVARpOoL
It's time for 6-3-1 babyy
They’ve been playing a 9-1-0
Lol
It's incredible how incompetent English VAR is.
I've never seen refs as shit as the one in the prem. It's shocking
LiVARpool amirite?
even Wilson didn't believe he was looking for the ref..
Ahhh the kick the ball down the field foul a Liverpool CB and score trick. Haven’t seen that in the past couple weeks.
Imagine having both refs and VAR and still letting this shit through
So obvious that even Peter Walton later disagrees with VAR
Absolute joke that’s stood
Better get on that 6-3-1 formation now.
Sorry what
This is why diving will never leave soccer. He goes down, it's called.
As we all predicted
Was a push, but that was still poor defending after the fact.
The player looked at the fucking ref himself lol... Michael Oliver was the VAR
If it was shoulder to shoulder then fair enough but it quite obviously wasnt
That's a foul
LiVaRpOoL
If Gomez had fallen over it would've been disallowed. No wonder players milk every tiny contact.
Ir gomez goes down the red calls it
How does one apply to be a an EPL VAR ref? I have no qualifications but I’m 100% confident I’d be better than Michael Oliver. I’m not even exaggerating when I say half this sub would do a better job in the VAR booth. that’s a an unimaginably stupid decision, wish I could be that shit at my job and still keep it.
Peter Walton got off the fence, unbelievable scenes