Come into this thread after not watching the match, I did expect some praise for England who just won away at a country that has been a bogey team for decades. But some how, Southgate remains terrible and should be sacked.
I think his tactics and set up in the first half were great and Grealish missed a golden chance to make it 3-0.
Whether he set the team up poorly in the 2nd half or the players kind of folded up a bit I’m not sure.
They battled well, especially after the sending off but there was a period of about 25 minutes before the sending off at 2-1 where the game was crying out for a change. He took Grealish off and brought Foden on. But England barely had the ball in the final 3rd all half, they were getting dominated in the middle and Kalvin Phillips who’s barely played this season was tiring, Rice was on a yellow and Bellingham (who was excellent 1st half) had a knock and was struggling.
He bought Gallagher and Reece James on after the red card but Gallagher should have been on long before that for me, bought a lot of energy into it and would have massively helped the team at 11v11. Italy had made 4 subs by the time England made 1, been a pretty common feature with Southgate that he doesn’t bring on fresh legs when the game is begging for it.
Southgate is sabotaging this England team. Without him, they would of won the euros or world cup and as long as they have him, they'll never win anything. With this pool of talented players and with propper selections and tactics, England should play champagne football and blow teams out the water in the first half. Been saying this for about 5 years but he still hangs on...shocking
Ref gives every England throw in a yellow, at this rate Italy should just kick all the balls to row z and there won’t be any England player left to play
I didn't see the match but the stats do look a bit curious.
Italy: 13 fouls committed; 3 yellow cards received
England: 6 fouls committed; 5 yellow cards, 1 red card received.
The ref has a very big bias towards “time wasting” as if you have a second thought about who to pass during a throw in he will immediately give you yellow, which is very much over reacted. You don’t need to waste 5 second when he happily flash his yellow card. While he is being so straight on time wasting the actual time wasted are not accounted for in the stoppage time so the stoppage time is actually lower than I expected.
When we win it always feels like we won despite having Southgate not because of him. It was impressive to make that group of players look as bad as they did in the second half. On paper an inferior Italian side and they deserved a draw.
Yes yes mine was a joke given that to speak Italian you have to study it well at school, Verratti is not a person who has frequented it a lot so when he speaks you can hear his dialect a lot.
There is a famous video where they ask him if he has learned French and he replies in dialect :
"I don't know Italian, imagine French"[video ](https://youtu.be/ZbQ_lIdvWmQ)
Good result holding the lead with ten men. The refereeing was dodgy. I don't see why Walker and even Shaw were booked. The latter is going to be a loss for Sundays game. It felt as if he had a deal with the Italian team.
As for England's performance - excellent first half. Cracker from Rice, and happy Harry Kane broke the record. Well taken penalty. There was good all round performances. The second half, I feel the changes were made to late. Maguire was at fault for the Italian goal. I do feel Phillips should have gone off earlier for Foden, and why was he taken off for Trippier after Shaw went off? Seemed pointless. Wasn't too happy Saka being taken off soon as well. Good saves from Pickford. MOTM for me is Saka.
Even though England won it really highlighted Southgates limitations. Without fantastic leadership from the likes of Kane, England would have let that slip
southgate getting pelters but he's won away in italy for the first time in over half a century against a similarly uninspiring manager who won the euros not long ago
Still extremely bitter over the EURO final I see. Enjoy watching highlights of all your major tournament flops. Your parents weren't even born when last England won something 😂
Southgates' ineptitude as a manager is more to blame than anything the ref did. Just makes me recall watching Ole at Utd. Vibes FC, but tactically so average.
What the hell was this game?
Ref atrocious giving cards for almost every English set piece
England players half asleep for the second half
Most bizarre game I've seen in ages
At least they got "better" in the second half, I still can't understand how you have that starting 11 against England, I'd understand against Malta but England? Really?
It's not racist to call Italians pasta dickheads. They invented pasta and they're dickheads.
I have no ill will towards the pasta dickheads in any context other than football
He’s fucking ass, look at the football we were playing. I’m fucking embarrassed to have him as a manager. Awful selection, awful football. Here’s me praying that he gets fired before the next WC
What team? Macedonia? Because he sure as hell didn't help us at all, he was just harsh with the time wasting which is a good thing, but to then give only 5 minutes is ridiculous
Astounded every time I watch Kane. I obviously see a lot more of Toney but they are so so similar. It’s almost uncanny. Kane is an A+ Toney. Toney is not quite at the level of course but it’s crazy how similarly they think. Genuinely think time itself would collapse if they ever shared a pitch.
Come into this thread after not watching the match, I did expect some praise for England who just won away at a country that has been a bogey team for decades. But some how, Southgate remains terrible and should be sacked.
It's like the Wenger Out crowd, they'll miss him when he's gone.
I think his tactics and set up in the first half were great and Grealish missed a golden chance to make it 3-0. Whether he set the team up poorly in the 2nd half or the players kind of folded up a bit I’m not sure. They battled well, especially after the sending off but there was a period of about 25 minutes before the sending off at 2-1 where the game was crying out for a change. He took Grealish off and brought Foden on. But England barely had the ball in the final 3rd all half, they were getting dominated in the middle and Kalvin Phillips who’s barely played this season was tiring, Rice was on a yellow and Bellingham (who was excellent 1st half) had a knock and was struggling. He bought Gallagher and Reece James on after the red card but Gallagher should have been on long before that for me, bought a lot of energy into it and would have massively helped the team at 11v11. Italy had made 4 subs by the time England made 1, been a pretty common feature with Southgate that he doesn’t bring on fresh legs when the game is begging for it.
Southgate is sabotaging this England team. Without him, they would of won the euros or world cup and as long as they have him, they'll never win anything. With this pool of talented players and with propper selections and tactics, England should play champagne football and blow teams out the water in the first half. Been saying this for about 5 years but he still hangs on...shocking
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not my first language mate. I'll edit
Ref gives every England throw in a yellow, at this rate Italy should just kick all the balls to row z and there won’t be any England player left to play
I didn't see the match but the stats do look a bit curious. Italy: 13 fouls committed; 3 yellow cards received England: 6 fouls committed; 5 yellow cards, 1 red card received.
The ref has a very big bias towards “time wasting” as if you have a second thought about who to pass during a throw in he will immediately give you yellow, which is very much over reacted. You don’t need to waste 5 second when he happily flash his yellow card. While he is being so straight on time wasting the actual time wasted are not accounted for in the stoppage time so the stoppage time is actually lower than I expected.
Thanks for the explanation. That does seem rather bizarre.
Shit first half for Italy. Shit second half for England. Shit referee all match. Also…shit time keeper. 5 minutes?? 😳
When we win it always feels like we won despite having Southgate not because of him. It was impressive to make that group of players look as bad as they did in the second half. On paper an inferior Italian side and they deserved a draw.
Love how some of our players don't even speak Italian during interviews
For the first time in history we have had a captain who doesn't speak Italian
I missed it. Who was captain? Jorginho?
Verratti, jorginho speaks better Italian than Verratti
Seriously? I thought verratti is full Italian born and raised?
Yes yes mine was a joke given that to speak Italian you have to study it well at school, Verratti is not a person who has frequented it a lot so when he speaks you can hear his dialect a lot. There is a famous video where they ask him if he has learned French and he replies in dialect : "I don't know Italian, imagine French"[video ](https://youtu.be/ZbQ_lIdvWmQ)
Oh haha, I cant say I've ever heard him speak
Good result holding the lead with ten men. The refereeing was dodgy. I don't see why Walker and even Shaw were booked. The latter is going to be a loss for Sundays game. It felt as if he had a deal with the Italian team. As for England's performance - excellent first half. Cracker from Rice, and happy Harry Kane broke the record. Well taken penalty. There was good all round performances. The second half, I feel the changes were made to late. Maguire was at fault for the Italian goal. I do feel Phillips should have gone off earlier for Foden, and why was he taken off for Trippier after Shaw went off? Seemed pointless. Wasn't too happy Saka being taken off soon as well. Good saves from Pickford. MOTM for me is Saka.
This is the self-preservation society! Get your Right backs on!
Well, I'm having pasta and meatballs anyway.
My god it's taskmaster
Even though England won it really highlighted Southgates limitations. Without fantastic leadership from the likes of Kane, England would have let that slip
Poor 2nd half from England. Ref was awful too
I’m just here to see Italians complain about timewasting and shithousing with zero sense of irony.
GG ez
France vs Netherlands tomorrow 🔥🔥🔥
southgate getting pelters but he's won away in italy for the first time in over half a century against a similarly uninspiring manager who won the euros not long ago
If they gave 10 minutes for the ET, this would have been a draw after an early 2-0 lead lol
almost bottled a 2-0 lead against one of the weakest Italian sides in recent history\*
how many chances did italy get to score after the 2-1?
Can't win
Mehh just thank the penalty
Thank you flailing arm
International referees normally take 5 business days to process refunds.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
10 v 12 and you couldn't even crack it at the net
Sad victim mentality to be complaining 10 vs 12 with that pathetic penalty and your usual time wasting antics
Enjoy watching us in Germany whilst you miss yet another tournament 👋. Maybe if you try to shoot you might even get a goal against Malta
When was the last time you won a major tournament? Didn't realize they handed out silverware for qualifiers sad little man
I'd rather keep playing in tournaments than win one lmao. Enjoy watching England continue to win 👋
LMAO what a weird statement to make. You'd rather not win something for 60+ years? Enjoy watching your team flop again more like it
Enjoy your boring ass summer 2024 😂
Still extremely bitter over the EURO final I see. Enjoy watching highlights of all your major tournament flops. Your parents weren't even born when last England won something 😂
Jimmy Floyd??!
Pretty sure the clearance at the end was going in.
I had a bet on England to win by 2 goals…
Yeah I thought it was just me going mad....
I was wondering that, would of liked to have seen the footage at least!
I actually want to see it back, it was past the keeper
Grealish missing a simple tap in to kill the game made that 2nd half the way it went, he just isn't clinical enough for international football.
Southgates' ineptitude as a manager is more to blame than anything the ref did. Just makes me recall watching Ole at Utd. Vibes FC, but tactically so average.
We were hanging on for our dear soul right there at the end! Great defensive display though. GG Italy.
England should’ve been 3-0 up. Always make it hard for ourselves
Mancini has to be sacked, you can't even start this players against Malta, why against fucking England?
Surprised you didn’t win again with our clown of a manager doing everything he could possibly do to hand it to you
Mancini is a clown as well! So many talented players not in the team/squad. Instead sticks with a physically weak slow team.
The standard Southgate tactic of get a lead, retreat and invite pressure on ourselves I'M TIRED ROBBIE
1 shot on target all game from the italians. If it was the other way round then everyone would call it an Italian defensive masterclass
Hey it finally worked at least lol
Good result. Shaky but decent first half, pure shite second half.
What the hell was this game? Ref atrocious giving cards for almost every English set piece England players half asleep for the second half Most bizarre game I've seen in ages
thank god we saw that out. what a shite second half from us
And shaw is rested for the break 🙏
Italy ain't even coming to Germany tbh
Hold your beer, the pasta isn't cooked yet
Don't see how you can be happy about the performance as a fan of either team Southgate is a joke. Mancini...
At least they got "better" in the second half, I still can't understand how you have that starting 11 against England, I'd understand against Malta but England? Really?
No confidence in Southgate mind! Same thing will always happen under this bloke
well that got a bit squeaky
Arriva Durchy 😢
I should be happy with an away win over Italy, but it’s hard to feel satisfied with that second half.
Harry Maguire is shit.
Solid win, way closer than it had any right to be
Given Italy all the chances in the last 20 minutes but still couldn't, well done England!
Why does it feel like Italy won?
Can't beat us with the ref on their side 🤣
Can't even beat us when a trophy is on the line 🤣
Worst refereeing performance of this decade
I'd argue our game against France at the world cup was much worse
Italy without Juve players are nothing
What was this match lol
Great result. A lot of negativity about Southgate and his subs but it did the job and got us over the line.
Thanks now I know to only watch Italy when gnonto is on👍
Great result, our trend of terrible second halves is still a concern though. Fantastic first half.
Ref just flipping a coin on what fouls to give out
Fish n chips it is
Thank fuck we harry kane crawled over the finish line
First win in Italy since 1961 great, Southgate out
Always nice enjoy a laid back, simply England victory
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It wasn't great but they had 12 players lmao
Can't believe until tonight England haven't won in Italy since 1961
Enjoy your new Ferrari refs!!
There are no Juventus players present, it must’ve been a Volkswagen or something
Dumpster fire of a second half, but that's our most difficult qualifier won.
Yeah honestly I couldn't give a fuck about the performance, that's basically the qualifiers wrapped up already for us with that win.
Ah bollocks, we could've won after all
England only partially shit themselves this time but it's still not really good enough
That clearance was going in, robbed of a third there Also, ref’s a cunt, pass it on
Ref's a cunt, pass it on
Bitch on the pension suck my dong
Awful second half but the win all that matters.
Southgate does the job again. Unlucky pasta dickheads
😢😢😢😢 https://football-italia.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/chiellini-saka-foul-2107-italy-england-final-epa.jpg
Italians and cheating, name a more iconic duo
England and not winning trophies surely. That duo goes back numerous decades. In our lifetime we’ll surely hit the century mark.
No need to be racist mate
It's not racist to call Italians pasta dickheads. They invented pasta and they're dickheads. I have no ill will towards the pasta dickheads in any context other than football
SINCE 1961?!? SOUTHGATE GOAT
He’s fucking ass, look at the football we were playing. I’m fucking embarrassed to have him as a manager. Awful selection, awful football. Here’s me praying that he gets fired before the next WC
Second half was such a shitshow
Imagine having the 12 players against 10 and still losing
Absolutely massive win mate, top class defensive performance when down to 10
Italy has some serious issues
12 v 10
Southgate doing absolutely everything he can to lose the match and still coming up short.
It's coming home /s
The ref this match has been worse than either teams
Bro the ref was part of one team
What team? Macedonia? Because he sure as hell didn't help us at all, he was just harsh with the time wasting which is a good thing, but to then give only 5 minutes is ridiculous
Yellow cards for time wasting is a great idea
To then give 5 minutes, so much for time wasting, either you book them and give more time after the 45 minutes or you don't and the 5 minutes are fine
Easy W
Di Lorenzo gifted England the win
And Grealish kept the game competitive
God that was so much more difficult than it had to be. A win's a win, though.
What a shambles of a second half.
What a strange and bizarre game all around. As a neutral, I quite liked it. Very unexpected
How tf did they only give 5 mins of added time?
I’m not even happy. That second half was fucking embarrassing
lmao fuck england
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how did they win that
Fucking hell Spina
EZ win, nothing to worry about
Pathetic dive lmao
EAT THAT YOU PRICKS
Thats a great result. Not a good game, but a win.
Lmao, no time added on! Kane was on the deck for two minutes
Take four seconds over a throw - booked. Obviously dive - carry on lads.
England won that in spite of Southgate
Yesss never in doubt.
Ahhahahahahah imagine Italy not going in to win that hahahahaha
Never in doubt Cam on lads
Fuck
The ref tried his best bless him!
"tried his best". Yeah, that's what counts 💀
Tried his best to help Italy you wet wipe
>you wet wipe That's a new one
Squeaky bum for a good while there
Das boot England strategy
Trying cross and inshallah against England is not a good choice.
Hahahahahhahahahahha
Arsenal and England fan, feel like I'm in reverse world being on the receiving end of last minute trying to score
Boooom
Least enjoyable win of all time
Kalvin Phillips will have played the entire 90 minutes (plus added time) of this match He's only played 54 minutes of League football all season.
'He plays well for England' If we don't get rid of Southgate before the Euros then we need to purge the entire FA.
Just getting him match fit for City's run, thanks Gazza /s Yeah some of southgatesnchoices today were confusing
He’s earned a week off
Do Italy know they’re behind?
Refs just blown away his chances of driving home in a brand new Ferrari
What a win, top stuff from the football terrorist
Even Kane’s clearances are perfectly measured
good cameo from gallagher
CG's been good since he's come on
Makes you wonder why he didn't start over Phillips.
Don’t even care if we see this game out, Southgate is fucking clueless
A question has to be asked why time wasting has been so strictly enforced against in this game but a dive got nothing.
Yeah I wish refs carded for diving like this ref was carding for time wasting
Astounded every time I watch Kane. I obviously see a lot more of Toney but they are so so similar. It’s almost uncanny. Kane is an A+ Toney. Toney is not quite at the level of course but it’s crazy how similarly they think. Genuinely think time itself would collapse if they ever shared a pitch.
Basically a boring match mostly becouse of England time wasting. Still we deserve to lose for our awful first half
Taking 5 seconds is far too long for a throw in, true
If that isn't a penalty, which it obviously isn't, then how is it NOT a yellow for simulation? I don't understand
because there was contact. Simulation is diving when nothing happens, not trying to sell contact as being more significant than it was