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If Koulibaly is worth 300k a week to Chelsea then what do you think Mount should be worth? Mount's our back to back POTY and people who couldn't even win POTY for our under 21s are earning 5 times as much as him, can't blame him for asking for to be paid similarly to them (though I think the issue is with the length of the contract rather than the wages).
Mount is overrated by the local Chelsea fans but gets too much hate from the non locals and England fans who claimed he was shit for ages because he was bad for England.
He’s not worth the money he wants he isn’t a great creator from midfield he’s a bit weird to fit into teams
Imo which is why he’s been moved around loads, not a 10 but you can’t have a 2 of him and Enzo in the 3 back they’re currently playing either.
In a midfield 3 I think he can work but not as the primary creator because his creativity isn’t that good
To be fair they just seem like generally wide-ranging agents - also represent Henderson, van Dijk, Elliot, Mane, Gnabry, Havertz etc. (which isn't to say that automatically means he's moving to us either, my point is that I wouldn't read too much into the existing clientele as evidence of anything one way or another)
To be fair Chelsea fans I know in real life, not online keyboard warriors, all like him. I also know fucking loads as it’s the same part of the country that me and my mates grew up in.
Football opinions on team sub reddits when it involves Americans are not to be trusted. Say one bad thing about your American players/manager and you get mass downvoted lol
The likely hood is that the subreddit is full of foreign fans and not the locals.
I know that's the case with the city subreddit. The locals that talk online use independent forums.
Given I'm on the sub daily, I'd be willing to bet I know the state of things better than you. Posts that get heavily upvoted are the level headed takes, same as any other supporters sub.
Just go on the latest post about Mount getting a new agent. There are \~300 comments, of which something like 10% are people genuinely being negative about mount, and the top comments with hundreds of likes offer sensible takes if not support.
The white noise on the sub is from the same people who will call for a manager to be sacked after one loss. They're not **actual fans** of the club. Luckily there aren't that many of them.
The bridge has been really positive lately & I can't remember hearing a fan vocally turn against potter. He's got our support, same as mount does, which is contrary to what you'll glisten from some fake supporters on twitter or reddit.
Is it all of a sudden? I'd love him at Arsenal to rotate with Ode. The thing is he was never on the same level of Foden, Saka, and Rashford like Chelsea fans were trying to convince everyone.
It's not a direct comparison it's just constantly saying that he's a bigger talent than those 3. Like say some lunatic comes and says Bellingham is a bigger talent than Mbappe. Doesn't matter that they do not play anywhere near the same position it would still be lunacy, and that was what's happening with Mount for 2 years.
Compare midfielder to striker/wingers. Mount got potential in him but stalled with his progress like many other players at club with constant chaos at club. Maybe moving to stable environment will help him.
I agree completely that he would benefit in a stable club that also plays to his strengths while he develops. But even then the other 3 are bigger talents regardless of their positional differences.
I think playing both Mount and Ode would only work against really low blocs with weak midfield progression. Xhaka's main benefit in that role is that his defensive awareness is much higher than the typical creative players like Mount and Ode.
He's a player that cost us nothing, whatever we sell him for will be profit.
£70m is a bit much for a player with one year left on his contract.
But I do expect £40-£50m otherwise there's no real point in us strengthening a rival.
50m would be fair imo. He is young homegrown has potential and a workhorse. I think Chelsea would rather want the money than letting him go for free next year. Not like they are short on attacking mids anyway.
Hazard was sold for 130m. Mount hasn't hit his prime plus English tax = 70m. Literally everyone reported he will cost half of Bellingham if Liverpool are going for him. What's half of 150m?
People will think I'm a hater for saying this but even in the previous two seasons where he was playing the best he could, we saw the full extent of Mounts ability, which to me isn't world class. He's a good player, never will be world class.
Say what you like about Bruno Fernandes, but he has genuine footballing ability that Mount can't replicate. He doesn't come near any of the Arsenal or Man C midfielders and who would he be able to replace in Liverpool's starting 11 last season?
I'd keep him and maybe reinvent him to do the Kante role which honestly I think he'd thrive in given that he's technically better than Kante going forward. Just needs to learn what Kante does going backwards.
If not, it's hard to imagine him starting for a fully fit Chelsea with all the competition for places now.
>People will think I'm a hater for saying this but even in the previous two seasons where he was playing the best he could, we saw the full extent of Mounts ability, which to me isn't world class. He's a good player, never will be world class.
Exactly, people think just because he's young he still has enormous room for growth and he will be world class when he leaves. I mean, huge credit to his next coach if he's able to transform Mason into a goalscoring, assisting machine because he's not one currently.
He's not good at being a 8 despite being his natural position, and just serviceable while in form, at wings. Main strength is pressing and that's all. Actual fans with eyes should know in 4 seasons he's pretty much shown how much his capabilities and he isn't worth anymore than 200k a week and that's already pushing.
I don't buy those 8 year contract rumors at all. That was only for those expensive foreign new players of this regime. I don't see the new management offering him that contract length because he's not more important than Reece and Reece gets 6 years. Besides he's a Chelsea player, so the club wants to keep him and would consider his contract length demand in case he wants a new challenge in the future.
Yep exactly. Unfortunately in the Chelsea fan base, a lot of people think and point to his two POTY trophies (internal trophies btw) as a metric for his quality.
I think the main issue is with Mount’s role in the squad going forward. We’re signing players in his position (Nkunku as a 10 in 4231, Enzo as an 8 in 433…), he has been terrible this season and we’ve been on an upturn recently without him. The ownership aren’t being nostalgic and are offering him a deal that reflects their vision for him while Mount relatively reasonably wants a deal that would reflect his importance through the past 2 seasons.
I still hope we keep him, but if everyone plays according to their potential, Mount won’t be a starter for us.
Outrageous money my ass lol. Here, you lot know shit and are acting like he denied 300k. 180k was what Matt said, and Cucu is on 170k for the thousandth time, how is that outrageous money?
And yeah dogshit form really wrotes off his talent and his good form for us past few years. Cool.
Yeah, I did, and they are doing their all to keep it that way, even when I try to think that they will do some good, they end up doing more shitty things instead.
I have never hidden the fact that I don't like them from day 1, but not just because I felt like it, but because of the way started doing things, PR blaming our staff since the meeting, that Bruce or Marina may be favoring other candidates when they wanted to listen to Ratcliff's offer etc, when in the end they never favored anyone, worked to get the best deal for the club.
but I also know that good work can change it, they have done good things too, Enzo, Joe shields, Badiashile, Batth promoted, I give them merit when deserved, but for every good thing they do 4 shitty ones, at least for me. So I am not in a cult, that I have to like them, others can, I'll deslike them till I feel they deserve it. What can I say it takes time for me to change my opinion, I don't flip flop on every other thing. And it doesn't even matter what one guy like me thinks, so don't know why it hurts you lot that I dislike them, I never asked you to stop liking them, let me do what I feel too.
There's arguably just as much risk in smashing your wage structure. Mount's a very very good player, he's not top earner material for a club like Chelsea.
I mean, if he's not interested in new contract, what can one do? Selling him for profit and looking for other solutions is 2nd best response.
He really is not helping himself with his current form.
Kepa was a wash since sarri, overpaid and overrated.
He's still not even a top 7 keeper in the league and had only been giving a chance as mendy can't get fit.
All defensive players who played in multiple defeats since to spurs Southampton. Though not losing since the end of Feb is an improvement.... wouldn't be shouting it. Especially as you've overpaid on these lads
Mason has been performing at the club for years. Done more as an individual than sterling has in 2 years.
Sterling was coasting from the bench at city, and He's been terrible this year.
Harvertz seems to curl one in front outside the box and then disappears.
Also, you've named 2 lads who weren't here for half your season..... You know that 90% of the team hasn't shown any resemblance of form, comparison of last year. So who does deserve one? That Ukrainian lad? Haha
I don’t think money is the issue because I highly doubt Liverpool are able to offer more than us. Issue might be the length of the contract. He could also go to Man City I guess, they can offer whatever
I don’t think he’ll go City. Would be interesting to see the player Pep could turn him into though. Managers seem to always love him, he’s a smart player and I reckon he could become a very tidy player. Knowing Pep this season he’d probably become a left back or something though haha
We were linked briefly as well (mind, linking your player to us is Agent 101 for getting the best contract possible, regardless of where you end up...).
I don't get this 0 flexibility on contract length ngl. What's worse:
\- Losing him 2 years more prematurely than you'd like 4-5 years from now
\- Lose him now
?
Doubt he'd be sold for 70m. One year left of contract doesn't put us in great negotiating position, especially that everyone knows we need to sell some this summer.
Apparently he doesn't want to commit a long term contract which is the new owners policy. This directly questions his commitment to the club as he was offered around the same as Reece who has already re-signed.
You do know we are signing a midfielder in the summer and Nkunku will be a 10 which Havertz can also play so if he have a striker we will have options Mount wants to play as an 8 not a 10
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Surely his old agent wouldn't say no to the fees from a potential transfer? (like Raiola used to push for his players)
His Dad was his old agent.
I think his previous agent was his father
Klopp must be frothing at the mouth for him.
We're mad if we let this happen
Well, that's the thing, your squad building has been a bit mad recently.
Not really he wants more than he’s worth
The Chelsea hierarchy have inflated all their players worth through their mad spending. Can hardly expect him to sit still on that.
Yeah but they also can’t afford to pay everyone those wages especially someone who currently doesn’t start
I agree but it’s a problem they’ve created themselves and saying he probably has every right to want an inflated wage.
It doesn't seem to be the issue here, its contract length and image rights and the fine details. He's been offered par with the highest earners.
If he’s rejecting 250k a week that’s ridiculous NGL
Wages arent the only thing that make up a contract mate
I know
Agreed. I hope if that's the salary he's looking for that Liverpool stay away. Our wage bill is astronomical as it is.
If Koulibaly is worth 300k a week to Chelsea then what do you think Mount should be worth? Mount's our back to back POTY and people who couldn't even win POTY for our under 21s are earning 5 times as much as him, can't blame him for asking for to be paid similarly to them (though I think the issue is with the length of the contract rather than the wages).
You can’t keep making bad decisions because you made a bad decision already. Koulibaly doesn’t deserve that money and neither does Mount
Yeah but my point is that you can't blame Mount for asking for it not that Chelsea are wrong for not paying it.
We gave you Sterling, can we have Mount?
How much?
Maguire for Mount. Both start with M and I think that's a fair trade.
Can mount play CM, because he won’t be pushing Bruno out the team….
You think he's getting ahead of Eriksen and (if there) Sabitzer?
would be a good third option
Lmfao.
He’s a slight upgrade on Donny…. That’s about it
Money Mase
Mount is overrated by the local Chelsea fans but gets too much hate from the non locals and England fans who claimed he was shit for ages because he was bad for England. He’s not worth the money he wants he isn’t a great creator from midfield he’s a bit weird to fit into teams Imo which is why he’s been moved around loads, not a 10 but you can’t have a 2 of him and Enzo in the 3 back they’re currently playing either. In a midfield 3 I think he can work but not as the primary creator because his creativity isn’t that good
Worth noting this new agency are the same ones who represent Potter and Chelsea coach Anthony Barry
To be fair they just seem like generally wide-ranging agents - also represent Henderson, van Dijk, Elliot, Mane, Gnabry, Havertz etc. (which isn't to say that automatically means he's moving to us either, my point is that I wouldn't read too much into the existing clientele as evidence of anything one way or another)
Isn’t Potter represented by Wasserman while Mount’s new agency is ROOF with Neil Fewings?
Incoming Liverpool fans to comment about how they rate him all of a sudden
Liverpool fans always rated him lol. It's you lot who hate him.
To be fair Chelsea fans I know in real life, not online keyboard warriors, all like him. I also know fucking loads as it’s the same part of the country that me and my mates grew up in.
Not true. As always the real fans stick by their players. Its a vocal minority of "fans" who are being nasty
Mate go over to the shithole called r/chelseafc and look at it yourself. Meanwhile these same lot rate pulisic more than mount. It is what it is.
Football opinions on team sub reddits when it involves Americans are not to be trusted. Say one bad thing about your American players/manager and you get mass downvoted lol
They still think Pulisic should be a default starter man, that sub is insane
In fairness that sub js like 80% yanks. Don't think its representative of the larger fanbase
> Don't think its representative of the larger fanbase It is hilariously out of touch with matchgoing fans
As is basically any online community I guess. As a foreigner I imagine it's just a completely different experience
The likely hood is that the subreddit is full of foreign fans and not the locals. I know that's the case with the city subreddit. The locals that talk online use independent forums.
Given I'm on the sub daily, I'd be willing to bet I know the state of things better than you. Posts that get heavily upvoted are the level headed takes, same as any other supporters sub. Just go on the latest post about Mount getting a new agent. There are \~300 comments, of which something like 10% are people genuinely being negative about mount, and the top comments with hundreds of likes offer sensible takes if not support. The white noise on the sub is from the same people who will call for a manager to be sacked after one loss. They're not **actual fans** of the club. Luckily there aren't that many of them. The bridge has been really positive lately & I can't remember hearing a fan vocally turn against potter. He's got our support, same as mount does, which is contrary to what you'll glisten from some fake supporters on twitter or reddit.
Lmao. Southgate regularly got stick from this sub for starting him over other players. Now suddenly Mount is Lampard regen?
Let’s not lie Mount has never been rated highly even when he was good because people didn’t like him for England
He often turned up at Anfield. I've always rated him and think he'd be a good, dynamic addition to the midfield.
I’ve just never understood his position but he was really really annoying to play against so happy he’d be on red side.
Is it all of a sudden? I'd love him at Arsenal to rotate with Ode. The thing is he was never on the same level of Foden, Saka, and Rashford like Chelsea fans were trying to convince everyone.
those are 3 wildly different players to compare him to lol
It's not a direct comparison it's just constantly saying that he's a bigger talent than those 3. Like say some lunatic comes and says Bellingham is a bigger talent than Mbappe. Doesn't matter that they do not play anywhere near the same position it would still be lunacy, and that was what's happening with Mount for 2 years.
Compare midfielder to striker/wingers. Mount got potential in him but stalled with his progress like many other players at club with constant chaos at club. Maybe moving to stable environment will help him.
I agree completely that he would benefit in a stable club that also plays to his strengths while he develops. But even then the other 3 are bigger talents regardless of their positional differences.
Mount would be better playing next to Ødegaard in Xhaka’s spot instead imo
I think playing both Mount and Ode would only work against really low blocs with weak midfield progression. Xhaka's main benefit in that role is that his defensive awareness is much higher than the typical creative players like Mount and Ode.
Just cause Chelsea don't value him. Doesn't mean we don't. Besides, you have a peaked sterling and lukaku returning (again).....
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You’ll have to wait a year if it’s going to be on a free
If free is 60m-70m then good for you.
Why would anyone pay 70m for someone who wants to leave and has 1 year left on his contract?
He's a player that cost us nothing, whatever we sell him for will be profit. £70m is a bit much for a player with one year left on his contract. But I do expect £40-£50m otherwise there's no real point in us strengthening a rival.
50m would be fair imo. He is young homegrown has potential and a workhorse. I think Chelsea would rather want the money than letting him go for free next year. Not like they are short on attacking mids anyway.
Hazard was sold for 130m. Mount hasn't hit his prime plus English tax = 70m. Literally everyone reported he will cost half of Bellingham if Liverpool are going for him. What's half of 150m?
75 meters
Hazard was world class for 7 years. Mount had what? 2 good seasons?
75m
Most likely destination?
Liverpool, but I think we’ve been linked with him as a target too
People will think I'm a hater for saying this but even in the previous two seasons where he was playing the best he could, we saw the full extent of Mounts ability, which to me isn't world class. He's a good player, never will be world class. Say what you like about Bruno Fernandes, but he has genuine footballing ability that Mount can't replicate. He doesn't come near any of the Arsenal or Man C midfielders and who would he be able to replace in Liverpool's starting 11 last season? I'd keep him and maybe reinvent him to do the Kante role which honestly I think he'd thrive in given that he's technically better than Kante going forward. Just needs to learn what Kante does going backwards. If not, it's hard to imagine him starting for a fully fit Chelsea with all the competition for places now.
>People will think I'm a hater for saying this but even in the previous two seasons where he was playing the best he could, we saw the full extent of Mounts ability, which to me isn't world class. He's a good player, never will be world class. Exactly, people think just because he's young he still has enormous room for growth and he will be world class when he leaves. I mean, huge credit to his next coach if he's able to transform Mason into a goalscoring, assisting machine because he's not one currently. He's not good at being a 8 despite being his natural position, and just serviceable while in form, at wings. Main strength is pressing and that's all. Actual fans with eyes should know in 4 seasons he's pretty much shown how much his capabilities and he isn't worth anymore than 200k a week and that's already pushing. I don't buy those 8 year contract rumors at all. That was only for those expensive foreign new players of this regime. I don't see the new management offering him that contract length because he's not more important than Reece and Reece gets 6 years. Besides he's a Chelsea player, so the club wants to keep him and would consider his contract length demand in case he wants a new challenge in the future.
Yep exactly. Unfortunately in the Chelsea fan base, a lot of people think and point to his two POTY trophies (internal trophies btw) as a metric for his quality.
Fucking dislike the new owners more and more each day.
New owners fault that mount doesn't want to sign long term deal and demanding outrageous money while being on dogshit form. Cool
New owners fault to not be flexible enough to offer a shorter deal.
I think the main issue is with Mount’s role in the squad going forward. We’re signing players in his position (Nkunku as a 10 in 4231, Enzo as an 8 in 433…), he has been terrible this season and we’ve been on an upturn recently without him. The ownership aren’t being nostalgic and are offering him a deal that reflects their vision for him while Mount relatively reasonably wants a deal that would reflect his importance through the past 2 seasons. I still hope we keep him, but if everyone plays according to their potential, Mount won’t be a starter for us.
Outrageous money my ass lol. Here, you lot know shit and are acting like he denied 300k. 180k was what Matt said, and Cucu is on 170k for the thousandth time, how is that outrageous money? And yeah dogshit form really wrotes off his talent and his good form for us past few years. Cool.
Fucking dislike you for **trying** to stop this guy disliking the new owners more and more each day.
New owners fault for giving even more outrageous wages to even worse players and fucking our wage structure.
You would dislike the owners even if they won Chelsea a sextuple. Seems like you had you mind made up from day 1.
Yeah, I did, and they are doing their all to keep it that way, even when I try to think that they will do some good, they end up doing more shitty things instead. I have never hidden the fact that I don't like them from day 1, but not just because I felt like it, but because of the way started doing things, PR blaming our staff since the meeting, that Bruce or Marina may be favoring other candidates when they wanted to listen to Ratcliff's offer etc, when in the end they never favored anyone, worked to get the best deal for the club. but I also know that good work can change it, they have done good things too, Enzo, Joe shields, Badiashile, Batth promoted, I give them merit when deserved, but for every good thing they do 4 shitty ones, at least for me. So I am not in a cult, that I have to like them, others can, I'll deslike them till I feel they deserve it. What can I say it takes time for me to change my opinion, I don't flip flop on every other thing. And it doesn't even matter what one guy like me thinks, so don't know why it hurts you lot that I dislike them, I never asked you to stop liking them, let me do what I feel too.
This is so dumb. They are fucked if Nkunku doesn’t stay healthy to replace him. Why don’t they just make him the highest earner
>This is so dumb >Why don’t they just make him the highest earner Sweet irony
If Nkunku doesn’t pan out you will have to spend big money to replace Mount. Why not give him sterling money
There's arguably just as much risk in smashing your wage structure. Mount's a very very good player, he's not top earner material for a club like Chelsea.
He is not worth it?
If we still stick to playing 3-4-3, even if Nkunku fails, Mount may not have a place in the starting team.
Damn, Mount was supposed to the face of the team. Feels weird that you’re all already planning to move on from him
I mean, if he's not interested in new contract, what can one do? Selling him for profit and looking for other solutions is 2nd best response. He really is not helping himself with his current form.
Who in Chelsea is helping themselves with any resemblance of form?
Enzo? Fofana? Badiashile? Kepa? Havertz and Sterling both were in good run of games even.
Kepa was a wash since sarri, overpaid and overrated. He's still not even a top 7 keeper in the league and had only been giving a chance as mendy can't get fit. All defensive players who played in multiple defeats since to spurs Southampton. Though not losing since the end of Feb is an improvement.... wouldn't be shouting it. Especially as you've overpaid on these lads Mason has been performing at the club for years. Done more as an individual than sterling has in 2 years. Sterling was coasting from the bench at city, and He's been terrible this year. Harvertz seems to curl one in front outside the box and then disappears. Also, you've named 2 lads who weren't here for half your season..... You know that 90% of the team hasn't shown any resemblance of form, comparison of last year. So who does deserve one? That Ukrainian lad? Haha
ok
I don’t think money is the issue because I highly doubt Liverpool are able to offer more than us. Issue might be the length of the contract. He could also go to Man City I guess, they can offer whatever
Liverpool can offer it. The fact that Liverpool has a heavier wage bill shows that they can offer it but it's baked into bonuses.
I don’t think he’ll go City. Would be interesting to see the player Pep could turn him into though. Managers seem to always love him, he’s a smart player and I reckon he could become a very tidy player. Knowing Pep this season he’d probably become a left back or something though haha
What does he want with the length of the contract?
We were linked briefly as well (mind, linking your player to us is Agent 101 for getting the best contract possible, regardless of where you end up...).
I don't get this 0 flexibility on contract length ngl. What's worse: \- Losing him 2 years more prematurely than you'd like 4-5 years from now \- Lose him now ?
Nkunku is not replacing him.
How does nkunku replace mount? What is this brain-dead comment? They don't play the same role at all. Not even close
Doesn’t mount play the 10 for them? Nkunku is a 10
Nkunku played his best football as a false nine for at least the last two seasons now. Yes he can play as a 10, but Chelsea didn't buy him for that.
So who are they replacing mount with
There's Gallagher and Chukwuemeka for instance.
Oww well. He can probably fetch like 70m right. Might as well sell him
Doubt he'd be sold for 70m. One year left of contract doesn't put us in great negotiating position, especially that everyone knows we need to sell some this summer.
Mount has no creativity to play 10, when we played 3atb with tuchel he played as one of the 3 attackers
Apparently he doesn't want to commit a long term contract which is the new owners policy. This directly questions his commitment to the club as he was offered around the same as Reece who has already re-signed.
Man Y’all signing these players on that baseball contract lol. Wtf Is Reece on that death row 10 yr contract too
You do know we are signing a midfielder in the summer and Nkunku will be a 10 which Havertz can also play so if he have a striker we will have options Mount wants to play as an 8 not a 10
How long until this guy gets ‘Super Agent’ status?
Wait what
Fellow Arsenal fans would probably hate it, but Mount - Rice - Odegaard would be no joke