Isn’t Gladwells connection that someone used Epsteins plane to take a bunch of people to a TED conference? So he was on the plane once, without Epstein, not at the island?
Thought you was about to say gladwell is too obvious to being along to a pediphisle plane. Meaning he’d give the game up for the rest of everyone Bc he looks so strange
Yes, this Epstein-linking is ridiculous. His main way of legitimizing himself after his first alleged assaults in Florida was meeting and flying intellectual stars to conferences and his island for quick meetings. Should some of these people, including Gladwell have been a bit more suspicious, perhaps. Does it mean they were part of a massive pedophile ring, no. The chef mentioned in the story above is obviously a different matter.
>His main way of legitimizing himself after his first alleged assaults in Florida was meeting and flying intellectual stars to conferences and his island for quick meetings.
Epstein was first investigated in March 2005. He was first charged with soliciting prostitution from a minor in May 2006.
Why was Gladwell supposed to be suspicious of Epstein when flying on his plane (probably) in 2003?
I honestly don't get how people can be so conspiratorial. Sure if there's evidence of a long running substantiated relationship, sure it invites scrutiny. But if I'm in circles like that and my friend that I trust says they're fine and seem like a decent hang I don't wonder if the person is running some kind of weird pedo operation.
Ok but that’s a completely different topic so intentionally misleading people to think he was an Epstein Island guest because he defended Paterno just makes you look like a dumb conspiracy theorist.
i think gladwell’s paterno argument is idiotic but that wasn’t his point. gladwell bought into the ‘paterno didn’t know anything’ spin and then doubled down on it even after there was plenty of evidence paterno knew but just didn’t care. gladwell is plenty capable of coming up with asinine points without having to make any up for him.
For the most part, I’m pretty exhausted of Epstein discourse. Let’s just throw everyone in jail who’s complicit and move on.
That being said, *if* you are going to go hard in the paint on Epstein research, you might as well pull out some stops like OP did here. We are on Reddit after all.
I'm really not an Epstein conspiracy guy, I mostly knew the story from the headlines and reading yesterdays post on here about Gladwell and Epstein reminded me of seeing tweets about Kimmel's friend being Epstein's chef. I was just confused nobody pointed that out when Kimmel called out Rodgers.
I don't think Gladwell, Kimmel or Bill did anything bad with Epstein but this chef flew around with Epstein for 4 years, he had to know something weird was going on. That was long before MeToo and he was just a chef but 4 years is a long time.
He absolutely knew a little bit given your links and quotes. 4 years is a long time especially being present as a private chef. I’m a guy who actually believes Damon Affleck and Smith that they knew almost nothing about Harvey too.
Even if Lang knows something, there's a good chance that he has a lawyer telling him to shut the fuck up and not say anything unless he absolutely has to. Which is probably good advice, tbh.
Oh we agree there, that’s one of those things you take to your grave at this point. His life is over if he ever really admits literally anything.
For what it’s worth APL was a touch overpriced but I loved their pandemic pork chop.
The Weinstein stuff is hilarious to me. I read rumors about him coercing women into sex for roles here on Reddit at least 3 years before the NYT and Farrow articles came out in 2017. If my unconnected ass new about it there’s no fucking way those guys didn’t lol
There were references to him on 30 Rock around 2012, Seth MacFarlane cracking that the 5 best actress nominees no longer had to pretend to be attracted to Harvey Weinstein, and an Entourage character named Harvey Weingard.
In a recent Town podcast, Matt Belloni mentioned how A Dangerous Mind's Oscar chances got killed when a rumor (obviously started by Weinstein) was spread to the voters that the person the movie was based on was an anti-Semite in real life.
It was 'A Beautiful Mind', John Nash wrote some anti-semitic comments in 1967 in the throes of his paranoid delusions. He consistently refuted them later when he was well, the movie still won 4 Oscars, including Best Picture.
It was acknowledged by Ron Howard and others at the time as a smear campaign.
There’s an entire character on Entourage that is inspired by Weinstein and it’s one of the most abhorrent characters that no one else wants to work with because he’s a psycho. Like everyone knew about the guy.
Forget Weinstein, my favorite looking back was the long, sordid history of Dan Schneider and him getting drug across Reddit throughout the pre-#MeToo early-2010s. The dark humor mocking Schneider was top-tier hilarity.
Social norms change, and everyone who just did what was normal for the previous 60+ years is not evil to me. Lots of things are fucked up if you think about it, it's just normalized.
Like raping people was always cool right? Weinstein wasn’t just giving actresses parts for sleeping with people. He was a predatory rapist.
This downplaying Rape as a social norm change is such bullshit.
It’s not correct. Rape has obviously been unacceptable for what? Thousands of years? I’m talking about other guys who heard shit about their boss who didn’t speak out against him.
Agreed. I'm a nobody in canada and i knew about harvey two decades ago. It was out there in the late 90s. Anyone that is actually in hollywood saying they didn't know are straight lying. They can say they looked the other way for their career or didn't want to believe it because of personal connections. That's fine and understandable. But don't tell us you didn't know.
I don't think Affleck and co knew _nothing_ since everyone knew was a massive dick. I do think they thought he was more of a sexual harasser rather than a predator (or people were sleeping with him consensually)
Well that’s what I mean. There is an ocean of differences between being a jerk who is a creep and a serial rapist. I mean whenever I see beautiful young women with fat old men I assume there is some kind of tacit agreement.
It's so much worse to write this long post about Jimmy Kimmel's chef and not be an Epstein guy wtf. It just seems like OP is posting all this to defend Aaron Rodgers then.
check out the edit I made, there were 16yo masseuses around Epstein in 2000, that should definitely set off some alarms even if he didn't explicitly see sexual parts.
Anyone who knows any of the non surface level details would never say they aren’t an Epstein conspiracy guy.
It’s the equivalent of thinking that the Iraq war was just some slightly bad intelligence
>let’s just throw everyone in jail who’s complicit and move on
That’s the thing, only ONE person been thrown in jail over this. Maxwell. Well technically Epstein but as we all know he was murdered inside his jail cell.
So yeah, sorry it’s a tiresome story. But it’s the most obvious case of corruption and cover up in mainstream crime history we have ever had.
The Epstein client list will never be made public because it doesn't exist.
The only notable people alleging it exists are nuts like Joe Rogan, Elon Musk and Aaron Rodgers.
Lunatics memed it into existence.
He’s claiming the list is going to be released soon while blazed on some mushroom he just ate. Sure I would like to see the full list but Rodgers is a goof.
Again, what is Rodgers adding to this conversation? Everyone with the slightest idea about this story knows that the list exists and knows that it will never see the light of day, this isn’t new or useful information.
You know how certain things stick in your brain forever, like a bad commercial jingle? I will always remember Adam Perry Lang on the BS report explaining the concept of barbecue to Bill. Bill’s previous barbecue experience was grilling chicken, then putting some BBQ sauce on it. The appearance was so clearly a favor for Jimmy and Bill had nothing to say on the topic.
I was talking to some Brazilians recently and they were telling me our barbecue is far inferior because it's just hot dogs and burgers. I was wondering where they got that idea from. Our barbecue is great and very diverse in terms of meats and side dishes. Now, I think I have my answer. Just another reason to never move to New England.
There’s also a bizarrely large Brazilian population in the northeast. I went to school out there and met way more Brazilians than I ever would’ve expected.
Holy shit, I'm glad to see this referenced. Every once in a while I think about that, too. A guy showing up on a popular sports podcast to talk bbq with no context (that I can recall).
The number of famous people who flew on Epstein's plane or were in his little black book is enormous. Does anybody think Katie Couric is a pedo because she flew on his plane? There are probably more pedos who post in this sub than pedos who've been on Bill's podcast lol.
Numerous things can be true: Aaron Rodgers is a very dumb weird dude & Jimmy Kimmel's chef turned a blind eye to Epstein.
P.S - IMO anyone patiently waiting for the "Epstein Client List", if that is even a real thing or just media bluster, being anything ground breaking is foolish. There has been a ton of info that has been out there for the last decade of who he spent time with & most people I see online posting about it are wishcasting that their team's political enemy is on there.
How does Rodgers feel about GOP lawmakers assault on the rights of transgender youth? How about abortion rights?
Surely, someone who cares so much about the betterment of our children is outraged that minors can be forced to carry out pregnancies when they have no resources to care for the child, right?
Or is he just mad the “liberal media” thinks he is a moron and believes this list will be a revelation to own libs?
i don't actually care about that either, just farting around on the internet.
relax, not everything has to be some referendum on every social issue at every second.
Unironically using woke:
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Unironically using “left of center beta male”:
https://www.reddit.com/r/billsimmons/comments/116o68h/mina_kimes_yales_hottest_girl_2004/j9afuly/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
Shocked you’re a right wing dumbass
My interest in the Epstein story and his connections to power are about just that, his connections to *power*.
A chef who worked for him and is friends with Jimmy Kimmel is not power, and has very little to do with this story. Also fwiw I get kimmel’s connection to the sub but I don’t like or follow his work, so I don’t really care if he’s “getting owned” here.
I don’t give a flying fuck about Jimmy Kimmel. I think he sucks, and I’ve never watched his show.
The point being brought up is that Rodgers isn’t adding anything interesting to this conversation.
You don't think it's morally reprehensible to bear witness to Epstein keeping a haram of underage girls around on his private island and not only *not* say anything to an authority, but continue working for him and taking his money?
Did that person not have the power to potentially prevent further suffering? Is that not just another example of the rich or well connected turning their backs on these children? That's not worth mentioning?
I don’t support, follow, or was even aware of this chef, so no, I don’t give a fuck about him.
I don’t know who he is, period. I’m not even doubting he knew stuff, I’m not disagreeing that someone should ask Jimmy Kimmel how he feels about this.
But…what is the relevance to broader society? The Epstein story has connections to former presidents, the royal family, and powerful business people. Those people, their pasts, their status, and their credibility does actually matter in the real world.
This guy is a chef with a tenuous connection to bill Simmons. I don’t care about him because why would I?
Kimmel made a lot of content about Covid and Aaron Rodgers and I'm not making posts about that, I haven't watched it but I think I'm with Kimmel on that issue.
I just don't get why he called Rodgers crazy for wanting to talk about Epstein, it's not even a conspiracy, Epstein was arrested for this and he was close with celebrities and employed Kimmel's friend, those are just facts.
Rodgers mentioning it like that out of the blue is at best pretty weird and at worst full conspiracy nutjob. And knowing what we already know about Rodgers I’d lean towards the latter…
Idk why it’s so hard for people to grasp that Rodgers is adding absolutely nothing to the actual Epstein story and is just trotting this out because right wing conspiracy theorists have their fingers crossed that every liberal turns out to be a pedophile.
The Epstein story is horrifying, fascinating, and the real truths we probably will never know are super ugly. But the interest to me is the actual power he was connected to - the royals, the Clinton’s, etc.
I don’t care about Jimmy Kimmel being friends with a chef, sorry , *I just don’t!*
Rodgers said that the Epstein client list was about to be released, and that’s why the government was shooting down the balloons. Which is truly an lmao
Kimmel did not call Rodgers "crazy for wanting to talk about Epstein "
Kimmel referred to Rodgers as a tin-foil hatter and said "It might be time to revisit that concussion protocol, Aaron" after he falsely alleged that the mythical Epstein client list is "about to be released".
The Epstein client list does not exist and no credible person has ever alleged that it exists. Lunatics memed it into existence.
Yeah - even though there is some merit to the concern here... boy, it's a tenuous connection.
For this to be the angle op has to (any of the following)
1. Have a complete obsession with Aaron Rodgers
2. Have a hate boner for Jimmy Kimmel (likely stemming from the Trump era).
3. Be super into conspiracies
4. Thinking that smearing by association is valid.
It's not a good argument... Bill voice: *it's just not!*
"Aaron Rodgers (who is genuinely eccentric) isn't nearly as weird. And even though Jimmy Kimmel's job is to make fun of famous people in power, he can't use the phrase WEIRD because his connection and friend APL USED TO KNOW AND WORK FOR EPSTEIN. So Jimmy Kimmel should shut up about Aaron Rodgers."
The validity of the JPL points is fundamentally irrelevant to Aaron Rodgers and Jimmy Kimmel.
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There are some Epstein lists on twitter with his name but I think those are mostly fake, just celebrities right wingers don't like.
Adam Perry Lang connections to Epstein are confirmed by himself, pilot, victims and police.
The Epstein list stuff is so bizarre because it’s supposed to be simultaneously a cabal of the worlds elite, while also including guys like Jimmy Kimmel and Chris Tucker
From what I recall, Epstein would just rent his plane out and celerities who couldn’t afford their own private jets would rent his plane and that’s how some people ended up on the flight logs.
The most popular one I see regularly is actually celebrities who got covid at the start of the pandemic.
They had Callum Hudson-Odoi, Mikel Arteta and Rudy Gobert on it lol
It's also the fact these people ran in similar social circles. Flying on someone's jet is not the omg people think it is. It's not like giving your buddy or even your buddy's buddy a ride in your car. And Epstein intentionally connected himself to as many people as possible for protection and cover.
He is a good host I guess but when is the last time you had a jimmy kimmel conversation?
Not saying Epstein helped his career but not saying Epstein didn’t help his career
Trump was sooooooo bad for comedy man.
The combination of that and the set that are obsessed with cancel culture and it’s like, any comedian over 40 is unlistenable
Except that someone will make an incredible artsy, yet hilarious, movie or show inside of 10 years. Just Trump wrecking havoc, all the small day to day stuff (Burger King/McDonalds galore parties), arguments with journalists and manic behind the scenes incidents etc.
Jesse Armstrong is hopefully already tying up the script as we speak as his post Succession piece. I don’t want Sorkin on this though. Get him away from it.
It will be something like We Own This City where you watch it with skepticism like “surely it wasn’t that bad” only to realize that it was verbatim.
Edit: please don’t be a Starz thing. I need HBO on this.
Sometimes I can’t tell what comments are real opinions in this subreddit and what comments are just trying to talk in Bill’s voice for the sake of jokes and this comment is a prime example.
I don't. I think he is just a moderately funny guy, who watered himself down to be what is most lucrative in American show business.
He definitely made smarter moves than Carolla.
Maybe in the ManShow era.
Kimmel is pretty corny, but does make something funny ever so often.
Carrolla is just insufferable and devolved into a boilerplate right wing hack.
Telling your kids you ate their candy is better than rage tweeting about how men wear bracelets and don't eat stew.
This is one area where you and I are in full agreement.
Carolla was always the wittier, sharper comedic mind between them, while Kimmel's skills were more as a host. It's like comparing, oh, Anthony Cumia to Gregg "Opie" Hughes.
Those who argue otherwise are either politically inclined or just plain stupid, perhaps maybe even both.
Jesus Christ can we give this a rest? Epstein *employing* somebody does not imply that the employee is a sex criminal by association, and it certainly doesn’t extend another level of removal and apply to friends of Epstein’s employees. This is grasping QAnon adjacent fanfic.
Perry Lang wasn't working at Epstein's restraurant, he flew private with Epstein and Maxwell, stayed at Epstein's properties in Manhattan, Florida, Virgin Islands and New Mexico and made meals for underage sex trafficking victims. And it went on for 4 years, it's not like Epstein hired him once to make dinner for his friends.
Yeah, he was there *as an employee*. He was there to cook people food, and was paid to do so. You think Epstein was having orgies in the kitchen? And what about the other people who worked for Epstein? Valets, chauffeurs, housekeepers and domestic staff and all the other galaxy of people who rich people keep in their employ. Are they all automatically criminals by association too? There’s only so far you can stretch the breathless pearlclutching “did you know X hung out with Epstein” thing. It doesn’t extend to paid staff unless you have specific evidence.
No it wouldn’t. Observing a crime isn’t a crime, especially when it’s not clear the observer knows what they’re observing a crime.
What is it you’re accusing this person of? Somebody choosing not to voluntarily testify in the Epstein trial, when they easily could have been compelled to do if it were credibly alleged they had unique evidence to bring forth, does not imply criminality, or suggest they are engaging in some kind of cover up. What country do you think this is?
one of Epstein's vicitims wrote this letter to Lang after he didn't respond to her calls to testify in her case
>I’m not here to ruin your life. You have so much knowledge of the various people on the planes and his homes and anywhere you would have been with him. You truly can’t say you didn’t know or you can’t remember. You didn’t help when Brad Edwards and I reached out to you in 2014. Jeffrey was alive then and I get it. Maybe you were scared of him. We all were. You have the ability and frankly, the responsibility, to help now
>By helping us victims and speaking out with us, not only will you redeem yourself, but you will truly elevate yourself to the status of hero, which is exactly what you could be for me. A hero. I have such fond memories of staying up late, we’d talk, we’d laugh. I consider you my friend, and I hope I still can.”
Victims name Lang specifically. I actually agree we’re getting barraged with people who’s names are associated on the periphery of a guy who made it his life’s work to network with celebrity, but I don’t think Perry is the best case for this.
He more or less lived on the island and talked privately with at-least one victim regularly. He’s also not a driver Epstein found through an agency, he’s himself a very powerful man/minor celebrity.
Exactly. The interest in the Epstein story is his connection to the most powerful people in the world. Not that his chef is friends with Jimmy Kimmel lol.
I’m someone who thinks it was VERY peculiar that the media made Epstein justifiably this boogeyman when he was arrested and within a month of him dying under very suspicious circumstances they just stopped talking about it. Even if Rodgers is baked on ayahuasca at this point and a nutcase, I don’t think Kimmel should just laugh off something that kind involves him.
This is way too long to read, but when it comes to sniffing out the people Epstein was connected to, someone who worked for him as a chef isn’t really the top of the list, imo.
This guy probably knew what was going on, but why do I care about him, because he was on the BS pod 14 years ago?
And I am all for this stuff being revealed (even though it won’t be), but Aaron Rodgers is one of the worst advocates for it, as he is a weirdo rich guy who loves hanging around rich and powerful people but simply thinks this list coming out will “own the libs”.
He is an idiot, and Kimmel is an idiot for even entertaining this topic when he has connections to it.
Why is it funny? It’s good to know you’re an idiot so I don’t need to take anything you say seriously.
Sorry I don’t think Aaron Rodgers has anything meaningful to say about Jeffrey Epstein, his victims or his associates, but it’s pretty obvious he’s a goober looking for a gotcha and nothing else.
How’s Dasha’s move to Catholicism going? Which fascist are the girls intrigued by for 2024?
Well, let's connect the dots. Why should we care? Because he is still close friends with Jimmy Kimmel. Have you noticed a complete pivot by Kimmel to espouse all the elite talking points?
You could point to Trump as the reason but maybe that's a red herring.
It is interesting that A) the chef had to know what was going on, B) Kimmel has to know that the chef knew what was going on, and C) Kimmel is still close friends with him.
We need to separate people connecting circumstantial evidence with complete nutcases who think everything is a conspiracy.
The concept of the elite playing by different rules and putting an intentional spin on the media's messaging is a very real thing.
Yeah Kimmel probably shouldn’t he friends with him anymore.
I don’t like Kimmel or follow kimmel’s show so I really don’t care what he’s got going on frankly.
I get why it’s related to bill, they are friends, but the actual Epstein connection to Bill here is so disparate.
People get exiled from friend communities for way less than hanging around Epstein.
Maybe this chef is a good guy that took the wrong job, still not introducing him my daughter
I don’t give a shit about this chef, or have any reason to care about him.
He isn’t in any position of real power, and his connection to Bill is tenuous at best.
Regarding Rodgers - I think there is a lot of the anti-vax crowd who still think they are going to take some serious victory laps once this "list" gets released too. Seems like a large share of them think it will somehow validate the conspiracy that the Covid pandemic was planned to distract people from everything related to Jeff. So I wonder how "pure" the repeated calls really are from guys like Rodgers to have Epstein shit come to light.
Exactly. Look, the reason conspiracies exist, the reason people particularly on the right think everyone is a pedophile is largely *because* Epstein is real and this was a real thing that happened.
I think it is totally fucked up and it illustrates that everyone should be super suspicious of the hyper wealthy and elite.
But Aaron Rodgers is just a bad faith doofus who wants to say gotcha. He doesn’t give a shit about the rich and powerful, he is the rich and powerful.
Millions of people dying worldwide- every single country- would be the GOAT in “media distractions”. I can’t think of any potential event that would get more press/publicity around the entire globe than that- maybe a world war? I guess I’m straining to see how Covid would be an intentional “distraction”- maybe “they” cooked up this virus but it got out of hand? I’m trying to see it from their point of view, where it’s all to distract from Epsteins lists or whatever, but I’m not seeing it.
I just googled Adam Perry Lang + Ringer, Bill Simmons, Kimmel and pulled quotes from other articles and made some hyperlinks, I really haven't done much.
I never understand these type of comments. You are literally on a subreddit of a famous sports podcaster like the rest of us. I’m not even a conspiracy guy and hate Rodgers and his faux libertarian Kyrie esque bullshit but it is worth knowing Lang literally worked for Epstein. I had no idea.
Rumors were that Bill’s agent (who is also Kimmel’s agent) infiltrated this sub with lackeys in 2019 to clean up Bill’s online image while he was negotiating a new contract with HBO. So def could be
Apparently people on r/BillSimmons were being DM’d with the promise of bitcoin payment to say positive things about Bill, so could be existing accounts too.
Clearly you weren’t on the sub at the time, or your brain is too small to remember it. Can’t decide between which. Old r/BillSimmons heads will remember
Couldn’t believe my eyes when I saw Sir Rudy’s name on the flight log
Isn’t Gladwells connection that someone used Epsteins plane to take a bunch of people to a TED conference? So he was on the plane once, without Epstein, not at the island?
Gladwell is too oblivious IMO to sneak into a pedophile ring.
Thought you was about to say gladwell is too obvious to being along to a pediphisle plane. Meaning he’d give the game up for the rest of everyone Bc he looks so strange
Wait until you hear how the entire ring is Nigerian.
Yes, this Epstein-linking is ridiculous. His main way of legitimizing himself after his first alleged assaults in Florida was meeting and flying intellectual stars to conferences and his island for quick meetings. Should some of these people, including Gladwell have been a bit more suspicious, perhaps. Does it mean they were part of a massive pedophile ring, no. The chef mentioned in the story above is obviously a different matter.
>His main way of legitimizing himself after his first alleged assaults in Florida was meeting and flying intellectual stars to conferences and his island for quick meetings. Epstein was first investigated in March 2005. He was first charged with soliciting prostitution from a minor in May 2006. Why was Gladwell supposed to be suspicious of Epstein when flying on his plane (probably) in 2003?
I honestly don't get how people can be so conspiratorial. Sure if there's evidence of a long running substantiated relationship, sure it invites scrutiny. But if I'm in circles like that and my friend that I trust says they're fine and seem like a decent hang I don't wonder if the person is running some kind of weird pedo operation.
I've seen Gladwells picture. No way he gets laid without coercion.
Adam Silver with the Hair piece
Adam silver with the hair of Rhea Perlman
lol...this could be a prosecutor's whole case against him. I'd give a jury a 50% chance of convicting based on this observation alone.
Nah, what if the girl has a Grim Reaper fetish?
you know from personal experience? Lmao love anonymous posters like this trashing looks of others.
That’s a normal picture find a new slant
[normal looking guy](https://images.app.goo.gl/12d9sMDhLHHhVsP29) Wonder what’s making you think otherwise.
is that Brittney Griner?
There are people whom I wonder how they ever turn the sec appeal on like a Gary busey type or like James carville idk
Yea that whole thing is one of the dumbest gotcha’s I’ve ever seen
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Ok but that’s a completely different topic so intentionally misleading people to think he was an Epstein Island guest because he defended Paterno just makes you look like a dumb conspiracy theorist.
i think gladwell’s paterno argument is idiotic but that wasn’t his point. gladwell bought into the ‘paterno didn’t know anything’ spin and then doubled down on it even after there was plenty of evidence paterno knew but just didn’t care. gladwell is plenty capable of coming up with asinine points without having to make any up for him.
appears multiple times in the logs.
Bill being implicated somehow with Epstein would be an all time zag. It just would
The "we didn't know underaged girls were illegal in the 80's" piece.
“It was just a different time” Also uttered in the 80’s about the 60’s.
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we do know Epstein had a Spotify account.... https://www.businessinsider.com/heres-whats-on-jeffrey-epsteins-spotify-and-pinterest-pages-2019-8
For the most part, I’m pretty exhausted of Epstein discourse. Let’s just throw everyone in jail who’s complicit and move on. That being said, *if* you are going to go hard in the paint on Epstein research, you might as well pull out some stops like OP did here. We are on Reddit after all.
I'm really not an Epstein conspiracy guy, I mostly knew the story from the headlines and reading yesterdays post on here about Gladwell and Epstein reminded me of seeing tweets about Kimmel's friend being Epstein's chef. I was just confused nobody pointed that out when Kimmel called out Rodgers. I don't think Gladwell, Kimmel or Bill did anything bad with Epstein but this chef flew around with Epstein for 4 years, he had to know something weird was going on. That was long before MeToo and he was just a chef but 4 years is a long time.
He absolutely knew a little bit given your links and quotes. 4 years is a long time especially being present as a private chef. I’m a guy who actually believes Damon Affleck and Smith that they knew almost nothing about Harvey too.
Even if Lang knows something, there's a good chance that he has a lawyer telling him to shut the fuck up and not say anything unless he absolutely has to. Which is probably good advice, tbh.
Oh we agree there, that’s one of those things you take to your grave at this point. His life is over if he ever really admits literally anything. For what it’s worth APL was a touch overpriced but I loved their pandemic pork chop.
The Weinstein stuff is hilarious to me. I read rumors about him coercing women into sex for roles here on Reddit at least 3 years before the NYT and Farrow articles came out in 2017. If my unconnected ass new about it there’s no fucking way those guys didn’t lol
Cortney Love said it out loud years ago.
There were references to him on 30 Rock around 2012, Seth MacFarlane cracking that the 5 best actress nominees no longer had to pretend to be attracted to Harvey Weinstein, and an Entourage character named Harvey Weingard.
In a recent Town podcast, Matt Belloni mentioned how A Dangerous Mind's Oscar chances got killed when a rumor (obviously started by Weinstein) was spread to the voters that the person the movie was based on was an anti-Semite in real life.
It was 'A Beautiful Mind', John Nash wrote some anti-semitic comments in 1967 in the throes of his paranoid delusions. He consistently refuted them later when he was well, the movie still won 4 Oscars, including Best Picture. It was acknowledged by Ron Howard and others at the time as a smear campaign.
There’s an entire character on Entourage that is inspired by Weinstein and it’s one of the most abhorrent characters that no one else wants to work with because he’s a psycho. Like everyone knew about the guy.
Forget Weinstein, my favorite looking back was the long, sordid history of Dan Schneider and him getting drug across Reddit throughout the pre-#MeToo early-2010s. The dark humor mocking Schneider was top-tier hilarity.
Social norms change, and everyone who just did what was normal for the previous 60+ years is not evil to me. Lots of things are fucked up if you think about it, it's just normalized.
Like raping people was always cool right? Weinstein wasn’t just giving actresses parts for sleeping with people. He was a predatory rapist. This downplaying Rape as a social norm change is such bullshit.
Do you think Quentin Tarantino, Matt Damon, Ben Affleck or whoever witnessed rapes?
When you said “everyone did what was normal”. I thought you were referring to Weinsteins behaviour. Is this not correct?
It’s not correct. Rape has obviously been unacceptable for what? Thousands of years? I’m talking about other guys who heard shit about their boss who didn’t speak out against him.
Ok I misunderstood,
Agreed. I'm a nobody in canada and i knew about harvey two decades ago. It was out there in the late 90s. Anyone that is actually in hollywood saying they didn't know are straight lying. They can say they looked the other way for their career or didn't want to believe it because of personal connections. That's fine and understandable. But don't tell us you didn't know.
I don't think Affleck and co knew _nothing_ since everyone knew was a massive dick. I do think they thought he was more of a sexual harasser rather than a predator (or people were sleeping with him consensually)
Well that’s what I mean. There is an ocean of differences between being a jerk who is a creep and a serial rapist. I mean whenever I see beautiful young women with fat old men I assume there is some kind of tacit agreement.
Not an Epstein guy, writes a treatise on connections to Epstein on the Bill Simmons subreddit
It's so much worse to write this long post about Jimmy Kimmel's chef and not be an Epstein guy wtf. It just seems like OP is posting all this to defend Aaron Rodgers then.
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check out the edit I made, there were 16yo masseuses around Epstein in 2000, that should definitely set off some alarms even if he didn't explicitly see sexual parts.
Whelp, yep, that's definitely a smoking gun right there lol.
Anyone who knows any of the non surface level details would never say they aren’t an Epstein conspiracy guy. It’s the equivalent of thinking that the Iraq war was just some slightly bad intelligence
Bruh how can you say that after spending the time putting this post together lol
>let’s just throw everyone in jail who’s complicit and move on That’s the thing, only ONE person been thrown in jail over this. Maxwell. Well technically Epstein but as we all know he was murdered inside his jail cell. So yeah, sorry it’s a tiresome story. But it’s the most obvious case of corruption and cover up in mainstream crime history we have ever had.
The Epstein list will never be made public. It's in the grave with him.
> It's in the grave with him. Nah...it's in the hands of today's version of Epstein.
His black book & flight logs are out there already.
I think it's more of a metaphor at this point.
The Epstein client list will never be made public because it doesn't exist. The only notable people alleging it exists are nuts like Joe Rogan, Elon Musk and Aaron Rodgers. Lunatics memed it into existence.
The problem is most aren’t going to jail the messenger is a goof but his message is actually correct
What messenger? Aaron Rodgers is breaking the news to people that Epstein was a pedophile is famous connections?
He’s claiming the list is going to be released soon while blazed on some mushroom he just ate. Sure I would like to see the full list but Rodgers is a goof.
Again, what is Rodgers adding to this conversation? Everyone with the slightest idea about this story knows that the list exists and knows that it will never see the light of day, this isn’t new or useful information.
You know how certain things stick in your brain forever, like a bad commercial jingle? I will always remember Adam Perry Lang on the BS report explaining the concept of barbecue to Bill. Bill’s previous barbecue experience was grilling chicken, then putting some BBQ sauce on it. The appearance was so clearly a favor for Jimmy and Bill had nothing to say on the topic.
In defense of Bill that is the highlight of New England BBQ. Hotdog, Burgers and Chicken on the grill is considered BBQ in that part of the country.
All the more odd that he was on Bill’s podcast. Should have had Lang on the same episode with Tony Stewart.
I was talking to some Brazilians recently and they were telling me our barbecue is far inferior because it's just hot dogs and burgers. I was wondering where they got that idea from. Our barbecue is great and very diverse in terms of meats and side dishes. Now, I think I have my answer. Just another reason to never move to New England.
There’s also a bizarrely large Brazilian population in the northeast. I went to school out there and met way more Brazilians than I ever would’ve expected.
Holy shit, I'm glad to see this referenced. Every once in a while I think about that, too. A guy showing up on a popular sports podcast to talk bbq with no context (that I can recall).
The number of famous people who flew on Epstein's plane or were in his little black book is enormous. Does anybody think Katie Couric is a pedo because she flew on his plane? There are probably more pedos who post in this sub than pedos who've been on Bill's podcast lol.
Well thanks for making me think about that jesus
This guy sucks someone find something to cancel him over so he goes away forever
Thank you for your service detective reddit
Kinda funny timing that Bill jokes about Epstein on The Purge Rewatchable today.
Dale is an Epstein guy
Numerous things can be true: Aaron Rodgers is a very dumb weird dude & Jimmy Kimmel's chef turned a blind eye to Epstein. P.S - IMO anyone patiently waiting for the "Epstein Client List", if that is even a real thing or just media bluster, being anything ground breaking is foolish. There has been a ton of info that has been out there for the last decade of who he spent time with & most people I see online posting about it are wishcasting that their team's political enemy is on there.
It's a bit sly to pretend that Kimmel is saying Rodgers is weird solely because of the Epstein angle.
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Kimmel is a moron but Rodgers’ interest in the Epstein story is in such obvious right-wing bad faith, it’s hard to take him seriously.
> right-wing bad faith should have thrown in whataboutism and strawman to strengthen your argument
How does Rodgers feel about GOP lawmakers assault on the rights of transgender youth? How about abortion rights? Surely, someone who cares so much about the betterment of our children is outraged that minors can be forced to carry out pregnancies when they have no resources to care for the child, right? Or is he just mad the “liberal media” thinks he is a moron and believes this list will be a revelation to own libs?
It’s a shame r/averageredditor isn’t around any more.
i honestly don't care and all of that is completely irrelevant.
You don’t care about anything other than getting to the bottom of if a chef you had never heard of is “cancelled” lmfao
i don't actually care about that either, just farting around on the internet. relax, not everything has to be some referendum on every social issue at every second.
“Assault on transgender youth” lmaoooo
Yeah, did I stutter
Lol
Unironically using woke: https://www.reddit.com/r/billsimmons/comments/11a50cq/poor_kevin_he_just_wanted_to_share_basketball/j9pzy7e/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3 Unironically using “left of center beta male”: https://www.reddit.com/r/billsimmons/comments/116o68h/mina_kimes_yales_hottest_girl_2004/j9afuly/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3 Shocked you’re a right wing dumbass
Unironically yammering about “assault on transgender” youth as a complete non-sequitur.
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My interest in the Epstein story and his connections to power are about just that, his connections to *power*. A chef who worked for him and is friends with Jimmy Kimmel is not power, and has very little to do with this story. Also fwiw I get kimmel’s connection to the sub but I don’t like or follow his work, so I don’t really care if he’s “getting owned” here.
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Lol, Rodgers is “criticizing pedophilia”, WOAH HE IS? Oh my god, the bravery! Thank you Aaron, it speaks volumes that you did this, thank you sir.
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I don’t give a flying fuck about Jimmy Kimmel. I think he sucks, and I’ve never watched his show. The point being brought up is that Rodgers isn’t adding anything interesting to this conversation.
You are consistently the worst commenter in this sub
You don't think it's morally reprehensible to bear witness to Epstein keeping a haram of underage girls around on his private island and not only *not* say anything to an authority, but continue working for him and taking his money? Did that person not have the power to potentially prevent further suffering? Is that not just another example of the rich or well connected turning their backs on these children? That's not worth mentioning?
I don’t support, follow, or was even aware of this chef, so no, I don’t give a fuck about him. I don’t know who he is, period. I’m not even doubting he knew stuff, I’m not disagreeing that someone should ask Jimmy Kimmel how he feels about this. But…what is the relevance to broader society? The Epstein story has connections to former presidents, the royal family, and powerful business people. Those people, their pasts, their status, and their credibility does actually matter in the real world. This guy is a chef with a tenuous connection to bill Simmons. I don’t care about him because why would I?
Kimmel made a lot of content about Covid and Aaron Rodgers and I'm not making posts about that, I haven't watched it but I think I'm with Kimmel on that issue. I just don't get why he called Rodgers crazy for wanting to talk about Epstein, it's not even a conspiracy, Epstein was arrested for this and he was close with celebrities and employed Kimmel's friend, those are just facts.
Rodgers mentioning it like that out of the blue is at best pretty weird and at worst full conspiracy nutjob. And knowing what we already know about Rodgers I’d lean towards the latter…
Idk why it’s so hard for people to grasp that Rodgers is adding absolutely nothing to the actual Epstein story and is just trotting this out because right wing conspiracy theorists have their fingers crossed that every liberal turns out to be a pedophile. The Epstein story is horrifying, fascinating, and the real truths we probably will never know are super ugly. But the interest to me is the actual power he was connected to - the royals, the Clinton’s, etc. I don’t care about Jimmy Kimmel being friends with a chef, sorry , *I just don’t!*
Rodgers said that the Epstein client list was about to be released, and that’s why the government was shooting down the balloons. Which is truly an lmao
Kimmel did not call Rodgers "crazy for wanting to talk about Epstein " Kimmel referred to Rodgers as a tin-foil hatter and said "It might be time to revisit that concussion protocol, Aaron" after he falsely alleged that the mythical Epstein client list is "about to be released". The Epstein client list does not exist and no credible person has ever alleged that it exists. Lunatics memed it into existence.
I can’t imagine writing a post this long about some guy who used to be on the BS podcast
Yeah - even though there is some merit to the concern here... boy, it's a tenuous connection. For this to be the angle op has to (any of the following) 1. Have a complete obsession with Aaron Rodgers 2. Have a hate boner for Jimmy Kimmel (likely stemming from the Trump era). 3. Be super into conspiracies 4. Thinking that smearing by association is valid. It's not a good argument... Bill voice: *it's just not!* "Aaron Rodgers (who is genuinely eccentric) isn't nearly as weird. And even though Jimmy Kimmel's job is to make fun of famous people in power, he can't use the phrase WEIRD because his connection and friend APL USED TO KNOW AND WORK FOR EPSTEIN. So Jimmy Kimmel should shut up about Aaron Rodgers." The validity of the JPL points is fundamentally irrelevant to Aaron Rodgers and Jimmy Kimmel. Also - 18-hour-old account. This means they almost certainly have been booted from Reddit before.
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Who’s gonna be the hero and release Epstein’s ties to the royal family right before the coronation?
Isn’t Kimmel an Epstein guy?
There are some Epstein lists on twitter with his name but I think those are mostly fake, just celebrities right wingers don't like. Adam Perry Lang connections to Epstein are confirmed by himself, pilot, victims and police.
The Epstein list stuff is so bizarre because it’s supposed to be simultaneously a cabal of the worlds elite, while also including guys like Jimmy Kimmel and Chris Tucker
From what I recall, Epstein would just rent his plane out and celerities who couldn’t afford their own private jets would rent his plane and that’s how some people ended up on the flight logs.
The most popular one I see regularly is actually celebrities who got covid at the start of the pandemic. They had Callum Hudson-Odoi, Mikel Arteta and Rudy Gobert on it lol
Arteta that dirty boy (why my iPhone just suggested a black child emoji is beyond me)
It's also the fact these people ran in similar social circles. Flying on someone's jet is not the omg people think it is. It's not like giving your buddy or even your buddy's buddy a ride in your car. And Epstein intentionally connected himself to as many people as possible for protection and cover.
Actually, Rush Hour might be a good rewatchable. Has Bill done that one?
Hey Sal, O/U on Kimmel visits to Epstein island?
All signs point to YES
He is a good host I guess but when is the last time you had a jimmy kimmel conversation? Not saying Epstein helped his career but not saying Epstein didn’t help his career
I mean pretty much all of the late night guys have deteriorated over the last 4-5 years. They all make the same “jokes”
Trump was sooooooo bad for comedy man. The combination of that and the set that are obsessed with cancel culture and it’s like, any comedian over 40 is unlistenable
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Except that someone will make an incredible artsy, yet hilarious, movie or show inside of 10 years. Just Trump wrecking havoc, all the small day to day stuff (Burger King/McDonalds galore parties), arguments with journalists and manic behind the scenes incidents etc. Jesse Armstrong is hopefully already tying up the script as we speak as his post Succession piece. I don’t want Sorkin on this though. Get him away from it. It will be something like We Own This City where you watch it with skepticism like “surely it wasn’t that bad” only to realize that it was verbatim. Edit: please don’t be a Starz thing. I need HBO on this.
Sometimes I can’t tell what comments are real opinions in this subreddit and what comments are just trying to talk in Bill’s voice for the sake of jokes and this comment is a prime example.
It’s not impossible, that’s all I am saying. Epstein’s reach is unassailable
Is r/BillSimmons having a moment?
Thought that I was on the r/TrueAnon sub for a second 🥴
Kimmel knew the arrangements lol
That’s fucked up
Are we still doing this gladwell epstein thing? It was already debunked on the last post that was made about it
Check out what MMA fighter Joel Bauman had to say about Jimmy Kimmel in a post-fight interview last summer
Kimmel always struck me as a scumbag
I don't. I think he is just a moderately funny guy, who watered himself down to be what is most lucrative in American show business. He definitely made smarter moves than Carolla.
And Carolla was funnier
Yeah carolla isn’t a scumbag who’s associated with weirdos at all, good point my guy.
Maybe in the ManShow era. Kimmel is pretty corny, but does make something funny ever so often. Carrolla is just insufferable and devolved into a boilerplate right wing hack. Telling your kids you ate their candy is better than rage tweeting about how men wear bracelets and don't eat stew.
This is one area where you and I are in full agreement. Carolla was always the wittier, sharper comedic mind between them, while Kimmel's skills were more as a host. It's like comparing, oh, Anthony Cumia to Gregg "Opie" Hughes. Those who argue otherwise are either politically inclined or just plain stupid, perhaps maybe even both.
At his peak Carolla was funnier. Now he's just an angry drunk complaining about left turns at red lights for the 10,000th time.
This sub delivers every day, I love it
Jesus Christ can we give this a rest? Epstein *employing* somebody does not imply that the employee is a sex criminal by association, and it certainly doesn’t extend another level of removal and apply to friends of Epstein’s employees. This is grasping QAnon adjacent fanfic.
Perry Lang wasn't working at Epstein's restraurant, he flew private with Epstein and Maxwell, stayed at Epstein's properties in Manhattan, Florida, Virgin Islands and New Mexico and made meals for underage sex trafficking victims. And it went on for 4 years, it's not like Epstein hired him once to make dinner for his friends.
Yeah, he was there *as an employee*. He was there to cook people food, and was paid to do so. You think Epstein was having orgies in the kitchen? And what about the other people who worked for Epstein? Valets, chauffeurs, housekeepers and domestic staff and all the other galaxy of people who rich people keep in their employ. Are they all automatically criminals by association too? There’s only so far you can stretch the breathless pearlclutching “did you know X hung out with Epstein” thing. It doesn’t extend to paid staff unless you have specific evidence.
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No it wouldn’t. Observing a crime isn’t a crime, especially when it’s not clear the observer knows what they’re observing a crime. What is it you’re accusing this person of? Somebody choosing not to voluntarily testify in the Epstein trial, when they easily could have been compelled to do if it were credibly alleged they had unique evidence to bring forth, does not imply criminality, or suggest they are engaging in some kind of cover up. What country do you think this is?
one of Epstein's vicitims wrote this letter to Lang after he didn't respond to her calls to testify in her case >I’m not here to ruin your life. You have so much knowledge of the various people on the planes and his homes and anywhere you would have been with him. You truly can’t say you didn’t know or you can’t remember. You didn’t help when Brad Edwards and I reached out to you in 2014. Jeffrey was alive then and I get it. Maybe you were scared of him. We all were. You have the ability and frankly, the responsibility, to help now >By helping us victims and speaking out with us, not only will you redeem yourself, but you will truly elevate yourself to the status of hero, which is exactly what you could be for me. A hero. I have such fond memories of staying up late, we’d talk, we’d laugh. I consider you my friend, and I hope I still can.”
Victims name Lang specifically. I actually agree we’re getting barraged with people who’s names are associated on the periphery of a guy who made it his life’s work to network with celebrity, but I don’t think Perry is the best case for this. He more or less lived on the island and talked privately with at-least one victim regularly. He’s also not a driver Epstein found through an agency, he’s himself a very powerful man/minor celebrity.
Is this chef a powerful political figure? Is he someone who wields power over others? No? Than I really don’t give a fuck
Exactly. The interest in the Epstein story is his connection to the most powerful people in the world. Not that his chef is friends with Jimmy Kimmel lol.
zesty italian is an epstein employee
Well done OP
If Kimmel was a pedo I wouldn’t be shocked
Excellent post. Kimmel is creepy and I’m glad people are looking into this. Has anyone ever directly asked JK whether he’d been to the island?
He is so creepy and if there is a pedo elite he’s part of it so yes he’s been to the island I don’t even need to see evidence
I love the smell of Epstein talk in the morning
I’m someone who thinks it was VERY peculiar that the media made Epstein justifiably this boogeyman when he was arrested and within a month of him dying under very suspicious circumstances they just stopped talking about it. Even if Rodgers is baked on ayahuasca at this point and a nutcase, I don’t think Kimmel should just laugh off something that kind involves him.
This is way too long to read, but when it comes to sniffing out the people Epstein was connected to, someone who worked for him as a chef isn’t really the top of the list, imo. This guy probably knew what was going on, but why do I care about him, because he was on the BS pod 14 years ago? And I am all for this stuff being revealed (even though it won’t be), but Aaron Rodgers is one of the worst advocates for it, as he is a weirdo rich guy who loves hanging around rich and powerful people but simply thinks this list coming out will “own the libs”. He is an idiot, and Kimmel is an idiot for even entertaining this topic when he has connections to it.
Bad takes in every thread. Good job by you!
Still poste on red scare in 2023 - good job by you!
The idea of you clicking on my username to find some sort of clever insult and thinking that was a good one is very funny to me, so thank you
Why is it funny? It’s good to know you’re an idiot so I don’t need to take anything you say seriously. Sorry I don’t think Aaron Rodgers has anything meaningful to say about Jeffrey Epstein, his victims or his associates, but it’s pretty obvious he’s a goober looking for a gotcha and nothing else. How’s Dasha’s move to Catholicism going? Which fascist are the girls intrigued by for 2024?
Well, let's connect the dots. Why should we care? Because he is still close friends with Jimmy Kimmel. Have you noticed a complete pivot by Kimmel to espouse all the elite talking points? You could point to Trump as the reason but maybe that's a red herring. It is interesting that A) the chef had to know what was going on, B) Kimmel has to know that the chef knew what was going on, and C) Kimmel is still close friends with him. We need to separate people connecting circumstantial evidence with complete nutcases who think everything is a conspiracy. The concept of the elite playing by different rules and putting an intentional spin on the media's messaging is a very real thing.
Yeah Kimmel probably shouldn’t he friends with him anymore. I don’t like Kimmel or follow kimmel’s show so I really don’t care what he’s got going on frankly. I get why it’s related to bill, they are friends, but the actual Epstein connection to Bill here is so disparate.
People get exiled from friend communities for way less than hanging around Epstein. Maybe this chef is a good guy that took the wrong job, still not introducing him my daughter
I don’t give a shit about this chef, or have any reason to care about him. He isn’t in any position of real power, and his connection to Bill is tenuous at best.
ok, good to know.
Regarding Rodgers - I think there is a lot of the anti-vax crowd who still think they are going to take some serious victory laps once this "list" gets released too. Seems like a large share of them think it will somehow validate the conspiracy that the Covid pandemic was planned to distract people from everything related to Jeff. So I wonder how "pure" the repeated calls really are from guys like Rodgers to have Epstein shit come to light.
Exactly. Look, the reason conspiracies exist, the reason people particularly on the right think everyone is a pedophile is largely *because* Epstein is real and this was a real thing that happened. I think it is totally fucked up and it illustrates that everyone should be super suspicious of the hyper wealthy and elite. But Aaron Rodgers is just a bad faith doofus who wants to say gotcha. He doesn’t give a shit about the rich and powerful, he is the rich and powerful.
Millions of people dying worldwide- every single country- would be the GOAT in “media distractions”. I can’t think of any potential event that would get more press/publicity around the entire globe than that- maybe a world war? I guess I’m straining to see how Covid would be an intentional “distraction”- maybe “they” cooked up this virus but it got out of hand? I’m trying to see it from their point of view, where it’s all to distract from Epsteins lists or whatever, but I’m not seeing it.
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I just googled Adam Perry Lang + Ringer, Bill Simmons, Kimmel and pulled quotes from other articles and made some hyperlinks, I really haven't done much.
I never understand these type of comments. You are literally on a subreddit of a famous sports podcaster like the rest of us. I’m not even a conspiracy guy and hate Rodgers and his faux libertarian Kyrie esque bullshit but it is worth knowing Lang literally worked for Epstein. I had no idea.
Is this Jimmy Kimmel’s burner account?
Rumors were that Bill’s agent (who is also Kimmel’s agent) infiltrated this sub with lackeys in 2019 to clean up Bill’s online image while he was negotiating a new contract with HBO. So def could be
“It’s a normal height for ears, baby. Find a new slant, baby”
I mean if Jimmy Kimmel posts that much in nba circle jerk I might have to reevaluate my opinion of him lol
Apparently people on r/BillSimmons were being DM’d with the promise of bitcoin payment to say positive things about Bill, so could be existing accounts too.
Are you making a joke or have you really gotten this stupid
Clearly you weren’t on the sub at the time, or your brain is too small to remember it. Can’t decide between which. Old r/BillSimmons heads will remember
You left out some context over the Kimmel comment. Rodgers is implying that the hubbub over the UFOs was manufactured to cover up the “Epstein list”.
Epstein was a classic 10/90 guy
To paraphrase George Carlin “it’s a big club (that fucks kids) and you ain’t in it.”
Kimmel was definitely on those islands