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StijnDP

It's a very strong wink. It also has the unique tech "Flemish Revolution" which "Upgrades all existing Villagers to Flemish Militia". Flemish Militia: Heavy infantry unit with a bonus vs cavalry; can only be obtained via the Flemish Revolution technology. As you can see on the screenshot, the flemish militia carry a goedendag as a weapon. https://i.imgur.com/jHHvdvd.png Another wink is the completely utterly overpowered unique civ bonus. "Fallen Knights return 50% of their gold cost." Which refers to the Battle of the Golden Spurs again.


ModoZ

> Another wink is the completely utterly overpowered unique civ bonus. "Fallen Knights return 50% of their gold cost." Which refers to the Battle of the Golden Spurs again. I didn't think of that one when I saw the bonus.


floxley

Wow yeah, didn't think of that last one.


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michilio

Afaik this is the actual [*goedendag*](https://cdn.webshopapp.com/shops/32318/files/11874538/600x600x2/bourgondische-goedendag.jpg), and not the [morning star](https://www.medievalcollectibles.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/ZS-901146-SL.jpg), or [morning star flails](https://storage.googleapis.com/dragonheart/shop/Morgenster-Middeleeuws-met-1-kogel-HSD-7122771228.jpg?mtime=20170202172605) or [flail](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/27/Arte_De_Athletica_2b.jpg) it's often confused with. It was a purposed as a carried weapon, like seen here, or mounted on a sort of cart or base so it could be placed in fortifications against cavalry, aimed diagonaly upwards. The reason I was told of it being called "goedendag" is because of when it's aimed at the neck, below the chin. The point then pierces the neck, and when it hits the spine the head snaps forward, making the victim do a little 'nod', as if to say "good day". Edit: the English wiki, contrary to the Dutch wiki as posted below, mentions this theory: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goedendag >Yet another (more morbid) theory states that the name comes from the effect of the weapon's spike: When the wielder of a goedendag would kill by sticking the spike through his enemy's throat, the victim's spine at the neck would be cut, causing his head to tilt forward as if to say "good day".


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michilio

Don't really remember where I heard that. Wikipedia gives a bunch of other reasons. The linguistical one actually makes most sense tbf. https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goedendag_(wapen) >De herkomst van de naam is onduidelijk. De Vlamingen zelf noemden het een gepinde staf. De naam goedendag komt als 'godendac' uitsluitend voor in Franse verslagen uit de tijd van de Guldensporenslag.  >Hij is mogelijk afgeleid van 'dag', hetgeen dolk betekent in het Keltisch. Dagger is in het Engels 'dolk'. This sounds like a bit of a retcon >Hendrik Conscience beschrijft in zijn 'Geschiedenis van België' de goedendag als volgt: *Dit wapen, eene lange spar met ijzeren punten beide einden, was schrikkelijk in de handen der Vlamingen, en werd uit spotternij Goedendag genoemd, omdat men er den vijand zoo wel kon mede begroeten.* And this is a bit like what I heard, but for the horses >Een andere verklaring voor de naam zou voortkomen uit het gebruik van het wapen. Terwijl de vijand te paard aangestormd kwam knielden de Vlamingen neer, vlak voor het paard. Ze plantten hun goedendag schuin in de grond en richtten de punt van het wapen op de borstkas van het aanstormende paard. Het dier liep zich te pletter op de stalen pin die tot diep in de borst drong, het bezweek aan de verwonding en ging door de knieën. Hierdoor leek het alsof het paard knielde en 'goedendag' zei


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stonno45

What did you learn? Do not mess with the flemish.


michilio

My theory is mentioned in the English wiki. >Yet another (more morbid) theory states that the name comes from the effect of the weapon's spike: When the wielder of a goedendag would kill by sticking the spike through his enemy's throat, the victim's spine at the neck would be cut, causing his head to tilt forward as if to say "good day". So I didn't completely made it up. *Tips hat and nods good..* ..Wait...


RedBekkem

I remember as a child I was also given the nodding the head explanation. I think it was during a tour for school. It was probably at the Gravensteen but I don't know for sure. I always found it a morbid explanation especially for kids but it stuck with me so that's one thing haha.


DolSparnur

The story I heard was that they went door to door and forced everyone to say “goedendag” or “goeiendag” and if they couldn’t (the french could not say it correctly) they bashed their heads in with their “goedendag”


michilio

I think you're confusing it with "schild en vriend" which was pronounced "skild en vrint" by the french speaking populace. Those were de "Brugse Metten" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matins_of_Bruges The wiki does mention the use of the goedendag


DolSparnur

Oh yes indeed that was it!!


ConsumerOfOTwo

Yes, and it is beautifull


DownieJones

Yes.


Morenectar_1992

TL;DR: The French describe a pointy stick as "godendac" and since that day Flemish people think they were cool, but actually called the goodenday "pointy stick" back then. Absolutely not.I literally just created an account to tell you that all the links with "goodday" are wrong. The first mention of the Godendac as "goodday" was done by a French soldier (pretty high up in the hierarchy) Guillaume Guiart. He wrote a report about the battle one year after the events, at which he was not present. And it he had done so in rhym.( see: Branche des royaux lignages chronique metrique de Guillaume Guiart, Volume 8, 5430) He literally said *"Godendac c'est bonjour à dire, qui en François le veust descrire*"/"Godendac is saying goodday, which in french one would describe it"He partly used the word 'dire'/'to say' because it rhyms on descrire/to describe. The flemish never called the godendac goedendac themselves. They called it a pinnend spike or club. The misconception was further fed by Hendrik Conscience who wrote his famous book about the Guldensporenslag, which became a cult book in flanders, where he misportrayed the Godendac like many of the examples given in this thread. In other French reports about battles with insubordinate 'barbarians' (ergo celts/gauls/germans living in France) there has been mentions about "godendarta","godendagga" and "godenhoc" as weapons that all share the following features: they are more or less sticks with sharp pins/blade on top. If they tend to have small sticks and are more built for throwing they are called darta's like darts. If they are more used to stab they are dagga's or daggers. The same Guillaume Guiart, in the same text suddenly even speak of a 'godendaz' \*1032: "\****Godendaz*** *que l'on repaumoie Ferrez et fais a grant etuide."* and later: "*es* ***godendaz*** *et les coignies,Mettent à mors es herberjagesChevaliers, escuiers et pages."* Somehow Godendaz even made it as the esperanto word for goodday, but none the less this exchange in 'synonyms ' shows he clearly knew multiple prononciations and descriptions of one similar weapon. A weapon described as a **Godendart** has been found in Auvergne (uppersouth of France). How could a man who was not present at the battle suddenly know not one but at least two words to describe one and the same weapon? It is often said that the more a certain object is used within a certain society the more synonyms it has.Still the godendac is only known as 'goedendag' or godendac in Flemish. The French on the other hand have used words like godendac, godendarz, godendarta and godenhoc. While they weren't using any such weapons at the time (for as far as we know). But here comes the kicker. The French or rather the Franks came from Germania. Most German tribes were named after the weapons they favored (or maybe the weapons got named after the tribes). Now guess what Franca ment in Old Germanic? Throwing Spear. Guess what the 'Ger' in germania stands for. Spear. So in short these are clear examples of the French using terms like Godendac and likewise words to describe reïnforced clubs. And the link with "goedendag" was made simply to make a report rhym and picked up by later Flemish people to create a myth and legend about the weapon that had won them the day. If this thesis about the origins of godendac, as a purely french word, is correct it also implies alot about how the weapon is used, which till today is unclear.I believe they were all used like a spear and pilum, that could maybe be thrown as a last resort. Not like a club. The only depictions we have of the godendac are long and spearlike rather than short and clublike.


Soukie4

French reports about Celts and gauls (even germans to a certain extent) living in France ? I don't get your point. So you mean the French ? The French are as Gaul and Celt as it gets and and in the east are slightly germanic too. I have familly from Britanny the south of France and the north of France and my DNA results say I am a mix of Irish or scottish and Belgian and spanish. If you are From the northern half of france you are a descendant of the gauls for sure. If you are from any part of France your ancestors were Celts. Not that I disagree about your origin of the word but that part really surprised me.


hypn0cat

And a new campaign based on the burgundians will be available. I mostly play multiplayer but I'll definitely check that campaign Ps: do they really called their weapon "goedendag"? lmao


AlternativeAardvark6

They do, there are some theories for the naming but being Flemish myself I totally believe it was something sarcastic and sticked because it was funny in a morbid way.


7Quick7

that are no winks any more. its the city hall you forgot the achievement golden spurs we havent seen the complete tech three so overpowered we do not know at this point. Maybe we dont get the final attack and defense upgrades for the knight line


StijnDP

The attack and defense upgrades don't matter really. Whether they have imp eco upgrades, will be a deciding factor. Even the best eco civs you can't do more than 3 active stables early castle age unless you don't expand eco. With this you'll be able to do 4-5 stables at castle age and boom and if imp eco upgrades are there in castle age, even more. After early castle it's done and in imp the trash will fail. That's what the 2 unique techs have to do. Late game trying to save yourself with converting your villagers to save your base or trading your stockpiled food to gold so you can try to hold longer against imp civs. It's like they made a glass cannon civ. Make sure you win in castle age or save yourself the time and call gg.


NomsayinBruh

Damn. As a new player I was hoping the burgs were going to be an imp civ, as most my games still get to that point


StijnDP

Maybe with the final tech tree they could be played like that. For example instead of using the huge eco bonusses in castle age for aggression, you could try saving the extra resources to use them later in imp. But you always use the resources you have. So it wouldn't make sense for a civ to float resources. But I do think they will become extremely interesting in team games. They will be absolute killer in chaos pit. Chop out quicker than celts and strongest knight aggression before other people even get out to the gold. Gold rush/golden pit you have a civ that can take early control of the middle. Or if you don't have the control, can be much more economical with gold to take it. In 4vs4 or maybe 3vs3 as a pocket it can be a sling civ for other early aggressive civs on the flank. Use the earlier eco bonusses for faster boom and sling. Late game you can convert food to gold without trade. I think it will be a very interesting civ. And happy that it won't just be a clone of Franks. I do hope that how utterly OP they look now, it will be balanced with the tech tree and not that they'll just be a weak paladin civ that get nerfed to oblivion a week after release.


AlternativeAardvark6

You won't be able to mass cavalry as they have to die for the gold to flow back. But yeah sustaining cavalry production while fighting and taking losses could be very op. At least it promotes offensive play.


matchuhuki

Isn't there an achievement called Golden Spurs too?


7Quick7

yes


CJprima

Won't be the first time a new civ is OP before getting nerfed in a patch.


Grandpa_Edd

There is also an achievement called "Golden Spurs" where you have to upgrade 50 villagers with the Flemish Revolution tech.


IMainlineMemes

Very unrealistic that it doesn't have a light show at the top 2/10


iamsenac

also it isn't asymmetrical and there is no flower carpet in front


misterart

Give us the sitting drunk teens infantry and the « rue des pittas » technology Improvement


Carl555

Or a "rue des bouchers"- building: enemy villagers passing within an 8 tile radius provide +10 gold and generate bad reviews for your civilisation


AlternativeAardvark6

"Bourgondiër ": villagers now cost 60 food instead of 50.


Ukipopo

but Villagers will gain +5 HP


CysionBE

AoE2 dev here, as a Belgian, it was really nice to put something of my country in the game after all these years :)


7Quick7

AoE2 player here, as a Belgian, i thank you. Not only for the new civ, but also the AoE2 hype following on DE really helped during covid (and still is).


StijnDP

Any chance ever for Ms to pick up AoEO again? Celeste is an incredible project but there is little more they can do than keep it going. Such a damn good engine that still feels modern today. Such a shame the content focused on the rpg/grinding and never got build out to what the community needed long term. If AoE2 existed with the AoEO engine, there wouldn't ever be a point to make any future AoE. Thanks for helping keeping the game alive. May your walls have no holes.


CysionBE

Can't really speak for MS' plans with it, but I agree, the engine is quite amazing after all these years. Some parts are a bit dated, but overall it's a dang solid code base.


Captain_Fordo_ARC_77

Hey Cision! So it was you after all :p. Really good choice to go with Burgundians! It finally convinced me to pick up AoE2: Definitive Edition. I've got an idea for the Fallen Knights civ bonus. Many people are saying it will be overpowered. If it has to be nerfed maybe it would be better if enemy fallen knights grant half their gold cost to you ;). Or is that already the case?


CysionBE

Making it only for enemy knights would make it a pretty weird bonus against civs without knights :)


Captain_Fordo_ARC_77

That's true, hadn't thought of that. It's just I'd rather see the feature nerfed to this instead of removed because I really like the idea!


vertigo1899

Thank you, Cysion!


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CysionBE

Please send me a PM to figure this out :P


sennzz

God I miss AOE2.


floxley

The recently released definitive addition is great fun! Perfect gift to ask for Christmas!


kennethdc

Plus, it offers all of the good gameplay the original game has, plus some really good quality of life improvements (command queue). Still one of the best games imo.


sparkierjones

also, vastly improved ai to play against


NomsayinBruh

This makes the game so much Fun, with friends especially. Been playing 2v2s with a good friend versus AI, and we can't seem to beat hard AI. Losing is just as much fun though. Occasionally play 3v3 pr 4v4 where the madness really starts to shine. A great purchase a couple of weeks ago!


sparkierjones

yeah i've been playing with 2 buddies vs ai 3v3 for the last years as for beating on hard: make sure to find your 8 sheep and lure your 2 boars under your tc and have your tc working 100% of the time


NomsayinBruh

Yeah, I've been trying to work on it. Just found some build orders I'm going to focus on and use my hotkeys more Often instead of clicking everything. Our biggest problem is not being agressive enough I think. I've always played the game (when I was little) with being very defensive and waiting until I have a big army to attack. But i've noticed the AI has twice our army by that time. It's always great Fun trying to defend their waves of reinforcements, while slowly withling down. But it's not enough to defeat them. We both still need to decide on what civs we want to focus on.


StijnDP

First practice with https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1584182924 Then have your smartphone next to your screen with https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.magnaldinhorinho.aoe2buildorder And there are tons of small variations ofc depending on the situation. Your build order depends on the map you get generated. Forward gold you want feudal aggression for map control but if you have a safe base you can do a castle rush. And the civ you play depending which age they are stronger than the opponent. Those things you just learn while doing. And you don't have to learn build orders or all the meta btw. If you're having fun against easy AI without all the theory crafting, play like that. If you want to learn build orders to play harder AI, play like that. It's your game.


NomsayinBruh

That looks really good! Will try it out when I get home tonight. We both like to improve, so this comes in handy. Thanks for the info!


sparkierjones

remember the ai ain't cheating, you are just getting outplayed by it, because its pretty good for casual play(untill you find a lazy exploit that always works) for the civ's me and my friends just play random and random map


AlternativeAardvark6

If you get better at build orders you'll be ready for that first attack. With some practice you'll have no issue to fend it off. Then counter attack. If you are able to keep the ai busy while you focus on getting military units out the ai will usually resign when outnumbered and rams or trebs arrive.


AlternativeAardvark6

Or rush your villagers forward and wall in their town centre.


Misterblue09

You should definitely try Definitive Edition. All graphics of the game remade in a way better look and a ton of new civs, gamemodes and other stuffs.


sennzz

Yeh, I was just googling it and it seems* pretty cool.


AlternativeAardvark6

Music has been rerecorded too!


FrisianDude

Why


sennzz

I played it soooo much when I was young. Didn't know until I saw these 2 posts on /r/belgium that it's still available and playable (and even revamped).


sparkierjones

revamped twice and many new civs added, even has a significant booming online scene again


NomsayinBruh

After StarCraft 2, it's still the most popular RTS!


FrisianDude

Yeah but it's still the same game haha


Obyekt

not true, the game has vastly changed over the years. core concept is the same, but they added new civs and units/techs, and the stats of most units has changed


AlternativeAardvark6

I play both the HD version (gf's laptop is ancient) and Definitive Edition. They are of course very similar but really not the same. DE is totally worth the price.


erhapp

This is surely an alternative universe. 😃 The tower is positioned in the middle of the building ...


Thinking_waffle

Because animating the falling architect was too much to do... Or maybe they just had the opportunity to get all the land they wanted...


RaptorDotCpp

inb4 AOE2 wordt opgenomen in het Vlaamse Canon


hmiemad

They missed the most important feature though, what made this building legendary is its asymmetry.


sauvignonblanc__

This post is doing more than any marketing campaign!


Ninox220

All those anderlecht flags


ConsumerOfOTwo

Any belgian clans here?


StijnDP

The only Belgian player is /u/PROject_Belgium/. There is nobody else that matters. J/K. Kinda...


weatherseed

Here I thought /u/PROject_Belgium the only Belgian in the world. Shoutout to the laptop warrior.


Dondal

Im a top 10 000 player 😂


AlternativeAardvark6

I once participated in a team game and when finally produced some army my team mates already killed everything so now I have a 1504 rating. To the top!


NI_Fry

Had to double check the subreddit, was not disappointed.


ThatBelgianG

Very nice! Wouldn't the belfry in Bruges or the City hall in Ghent or even Antwerp be more realistic though? I thought in 1300-1500's those were the more important centers?


MoscowRadio

Viewed from a financial/commercial point absolutely. But Brussels was still pretty important in the context of the duchy of Brabant. Lots of the upper echelons under the Burgundians/Habsburgs often stayed in Brussels, and the dukes themselves had the Coudenbergpalace.


Captain_Fordo_ARC_77

There already a very strong wink to Flanders so the Brussels city hall is probably a wink to Brabant.


ThatBelgianG

Still a very awesome and a nice wink to the interesting history of Flanders and Brabant!


cptwott

They still have some building to do


Ravagedeluxe

How fucking awesome is that!


agakundle2

Is the city hall the wonder of the burgundians?


So_Mwan

Fun fact: the tower isnt even centered irl for some reason


laziegoblin

Goeiendag gij gulden sporen, hoort gij onze zegenlag ha, ha, ha, hahaha 't Vlaanderen land gaat niet verloren Gulden sporen goeiendag. Edit: I hate how reddit sorts text. Never does what I want it to.


SvenAERTS

Is that a sequel of Sid Meier ‘s Civilisation game? I loved to play that, learned a lot about history and humanity and evolution:)


Ukipopo

Not seen on this image but their castle designs seems to be inspired by Beersel


chief167

ah yes Brussels, part of Flanders, where every Fleming feels home and they all speak Flemish WTF


Let_me_smell

Brussels was at some point the Burgundian empire's capital if I'm not mistaking so there is some validity.


floxley

The Burgundians covered most of modern day Belgium and the city hall was constructed during their reign. Very relevant in other words.


Let_me_smell

TIL, thanks. Always fascinating to learn new stuff about that city. Such an amazing history.


Captain_Fordo_ARC_77

It's thanks to the Burgundians that Brussels as a large city became a thing. Before them Bruges, Ghent, Antwerp and possibly even Ypres were much larger cities than Brussels.


Zakariyya

Charles V made Brussels his unofficial capital, indeed. > and they all speak Flemish They would've probably called it Diets, but back then? Yea, more or less. The founding father of the Netherlands, Willem de Zwijger had his palace there too, by the by.


chief167

Bourgondiers yes, flemish no?


iseaurougegrenadine

You were the one speaking about Flanders in the first place.


Leiegast

The civilization is called the BURGUNDIANS. The duchy of Brabant, which included the city of Brussels, was the second most important part of their domain in the Netherlands (historical meaning) besides the county of Flanders. Also, the Brussels Town Hall was completed in 1455, during the reign of Philip the Good, duke of Burgundy.


floxley

Can I get some pepper with all that salt? What the hell are you getting at?


FantaToTheKnees

Some folks here are salty about literally everything, don't take it or the random downvotes personal.


7Quick7

i thought these people would be happy. now they can recreate 1302 in a game. I mean i can see some extreme party use this to make tiktok videos. LOL


michilio

I FEEL ATTACKED BY YOUR COMMENT. COMMENCE DOWNVOTE


The_Godlike_Zeus

He's eating his french fries, with salt.


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Ja joeng zo zijn er in AoE2 wel meer Civ's die samenvoegingen zijn van bepaalde hertogdommen en prinsdommen, de Teutons bv zijn een samenvoeging van praktisch al Duitse vorstendommen. De Italians bestonden toen ook niet maar zitten wel in het spel, Dark age Spanjards waren er ook niet. Dus ik kan een oogje dichtknijpen voor een samenvoeging van Vlaanderen en Brabant.


IMA_BLACKSTAR

I think it used to be. Before Louis the 14th most of belgium was speaking some germanic language comparable to dutch.


modomario

That Germanic language there around that time was middle Dutch preceded by old Dutch and Frankish and yeah French started overtaking Dutch in Brussels somewhere around 1910 I believe. I think he's salty about that change or the stuff that caused it? I'm really not sure.


Medareanus

"Diets" was that language. For anyone interested "De Bourgondiërs" by Bart Van Loo tells the history of our region. There's also a podcast from Klara, Bart Van Loo is a fantastic story teller!


P1lot1

Do you know where i can find that podcast? I heard about it on the radio but couldn't find it.


deyoeri

It's available on Spotify.


sparkierjones

it's on spotify, probably more place too