Eh, If this is being based on the 2010s then I am taking Henderson over Gerrard. Gerrard really only had one great season this decade (13/14) he battled injuries on/off from 2010-2012 and missed a pretty decent amount of football in that time.
Doesn't say much though given how poor the squad was that year. Plus a lot of his goals his last couple of seasons were from set-pieces or penalties. 7 of his goals in 14/15 alone were penalties.
I'd just started university in Manchester that year and watched it in a pub full of Mancs (and Chinese students). I remember cheering our goals and being unconcerned about the consequences, but looking back, that place had its share of trouble and maybe that wasn't the best idea...
Yeah I agree about that. But he was still good early on in this decade. Have to factor in the absolute dross he had to play alongside in the early parts of this decade.
Can't believe how many people here (not you) have forgotten how good Gerrard was on his own, and like you said, the players he had around them early on in the decade.
Might be an unpopular opinion but if you put up a 2010’s team of the decade for Liverpool, Coutinho is a nailed starter. Spent 5 of the past 9 years here & was essential to our growing despite all that happened after he left.
He really grew with the team from the dark days to just before the top. Shame he didn't see the light at the end of the tunnel and stick around for the good bits. Much like hendo but without the character (cheers to brendao) to see it across the finish line
And while I know it’s unpopular I’d throw Lovren in as an honourable mention. He played in the 2018 final, the Europa league run scoring the winner vs Dortmund. The man has shown tremendous passion. Maybe one too many costly mistakes in league games, but not in major finals. Imagine if Degsy wasn’t always (the operative word here) playing alongside Moreno but Robbo.
I rate Matip very highly. However I also wonder how improved Agger would have been alongside Virg.
Oh fuck im so close. Keep talking about Virg/Agger partnership.
Super high IQ defenders with fantastic athletic ability, and great build up play. Also and most importantly mean motherfuckers
solid, sure. but not as good as virg with dagg or matip or lovren, imo.
idk how exactly to put this so ill just go off, but skrtel's main niche of being the hardman of a defence is kinda rendered obsolette by VVD himself. but, as we have seen, skrtel can be a great center back when played with a quick and good ball playing defender (read: healthy daniel agger... or nowadays, virgil van dijk)
I liked our Pirate but he was no Dagger. Skrtel wasn't injured as often and was more reliable that way but Agger was absolutely class. And if injuries hadn't been so massive he'd have been one of the leagues best ever defenders. I truly believe that.
Gerrard in for Fabinho. Fab is great but he hasn't nearly been with us or performed well enough for long enough for this kind of consideration. For as much as it hurts to say, Coutinho deserves a shout too.
Spot on regarding Fabinho. Not sure about Coutinho though, where does he fit in, who does he replace? He won nothing with us and while he was one of the best players on the team he was almost always overshadowed by someone: Suarez, Sturridge, Sterling. And once he became the talisman he decided to leave.
Practically the current team and Suarez. I'd personally put Gerrard ahead of Fabinho. Fabinho is one of the best defensive mids I've seen in my life, but less than a full season as a starter is not enough to justify being in a team of the decade, especially ahead of Gerrard. No way to exclude Henderson imo. He's the only one to have been with the team for the majority of the decade and he's been an essential part in the worst and the best teams.
Sure, but it's meant to be a team of the decade not a team of right now. Hendo has been here for pretty much the whole time and had multiple great seasons; Fabinho, good as he is, has only been a regular starter for the past 10 months.
Henderson played the 6 perfectly well before fabinho learned the role. We got to the europa and cl final like that. No reason DM era hendo with regista era gerrard couldn't be a good duo.
I disagree. Fabinho has easily played the least amount of games for us in that lineup. Allison is probably second least? But he was crucial to us getting 96 points and number 6 last season, whereas Fabinho hardly played the first half of the season.
What’s the cut-off point though? Fabinho started being a regular around December, since which he’s been by some distance our best midfielder. He was arguably the best player on the pitch in that Barca game, which is probably our greatest ever match after Istanbul. Is 3 months the difference between between qualifying for the TOTD or not? Funny enough, Fabinho and Alisson have exactly the same amount of appearances for Liverpool.
Yeah the problem is you have to have Suarez, and I don't think he and Firmino could be in the same 11 unless you drop Mane and Salah in favor of a midfield diamond with two up front, which isn't happening.
Absolutely not, the team cannot function without stability of a world class DM. I can point to virtually any great team and a great DM is the foundation of that.
I don't get the people who would drop Hendo instead of Fabinho
Hendo has been here since 2011. He won our YPOTY award in his first season, became a regular quickly after joining, had two amazing seasons in 13/14 and 14/15, got made captain in 2015, captained his club to two finals in 2015/16,[embarrassed Thibaut Courtois in 2016](https://streamable.com/g5pvp), captained his club to the CL final in 2018, then won it with us this year. He's played 335 games for us this decade.
Fabinho has been with us one year. A very good year, but he wasn't even starting for a third of it.
If we are talking pure quality, then number of appearances isn't too relevant. Skrtel was here for years but i'd much rather Van Dijk in defence. Same with Lucas compared to Fabinho.
Speaks more to the decision of the author tbf since this is a totally arbitrary and objective exercise.
I certainly wouldn’t have Fab in there since it’s not been long enough.
Have one cdm and put cm, Replace Hendo with Gerrard, maybe Carragher for Matip. U could actually make 3 teams, so much options for midfield and attack.
The fact that Fabio Borini and Aly Cissokho did not make it shows the utter lack of knowledge and sheer incompetence that we are dealing with.
I got the fever for the *FLAVA*
Second team
Coutinho - Sturridge - sterling
Gini - Gerrard - lallana
Milner - Skrtel - Agger - Clyne
Reina
A case could be made for Johnson or Enrique as fullbacks and Allen or Lucas in midfield. I also hate leaving Lovren off but I think the other two just edge him out.
Where is Steven Gerrard? Everyone Forgetting the trio Gerrard, Torres, Suarez??? What Daniel Agger? So many missed names and I’m not even naming all of them....
Suarez, what a player he was for us. It’d make sense that he’s the only one that would be in the team.
I’m talking about the Suarez that played with us, not Suarez how he is now, he’s still good but you can tell his age is slowing down his consistency.
Gerrard for Fabinho - Fabinho's great but he hasn't had the opportunity to show the same consistency the high level that that Gerrard or Hendo have given for us. Incredible testament to our progress as a team that Coutinho isn't there (and probably shouldn't be!) considering how much I was worried when he left. Ditto with Sterling. Here's to TAA also being in next decade's XI!
Can't seem to find Coates, Markovic, Luis Alberto and Kelly on that team sheet.
But seriously, Gerrard for Hendo, Coutinho for Firmino and Agger/Carra for Matip should be changed. And I would like to find a way to include Kuyt in this line-up for sentimental reasons alone.
Mascherano played for us in 2010.
I'll still take 2010-2012 Carragher over current Matip. It's close, but I'd take him. Carragher could play with anyone and look just as good. Matip struggled until we bought Van Dijk.
Tough one. 2009 line up wasn't bad. We still have Stevie, Masherano, Carra, and Torres up for the positions. I'd switch Hendo with Stevie, and Matip with Carra. That's about it.
I love bobby but i think the top 3 is more than enough firepower to blitz any team given the mid was solid, in which case id love to of seen fab holding with stevie and hendo being the mad lads roaming about
I would force a decision on Suarez / Firmino / Sala.
This is basically our current team with Gini dropped for Suarez, but if you drop Gini shouldn't you put a midfielder in instead?
Benteke? Cole? Spearing? Absolute joke.
Gerrard???!!!
Assaidi? Lambert? Balotelli? I agree this is disgraceful
Where are Konchesky and Poulsen?
A(spas) N(gog) D(ossenna)
Stand up for Dossenna
Corner taken horribly ASPAS!
Kolo Toure
Degen
Vororin (sold in 2010, so I think he counts)
The lack of Milan Jovanovic in this discussion disturbs me to my absolute core.
Where is downing, borini or Flanagan
Assaidi damn
Downing? Adam?
Who could forget Charlie Adam's screamer against Bolton and the countless number of times they hit the woodwork?
And still not a spot in our team of the decade, clearly rigged.
That’s a different type of list
I'm sure it is a list that will be made and show up on here at some point.
>Spearing? Ah, a fellow man of culture.
And Milan Jovanovic? He’s one of the greatest soccer players in the world
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Aquilani absolute beast!
None of those players ever played for Liverpool. Are you gonna tell me Roy Hodgson used to be our manager aswell? :) :(
CARROLL???
MILNER?!?
Kyrgiakos for God sake :)
Charlie Adam?!!!
Gerrard for Henderson
this is what I came to say
Same here!
Me as well
I'd also question have 4 attackers in there, if Suarez stays then sadly Bobby needs dropping for another midfielder
like? can’t see an argument for Couts>Firmino so definitely can’t see one for any other midfielder.
Yeah you're right, but.. Gerrard and Coutinho in this team, holy shit, it would fit pretty much perfectly
Both henderson & milner woud make better defenders than firmino.
Possibly gini but that would simply be for stability Edit: Xabi Alonso
Xabi was sold in 2009
Well fuck me I feel old now, thanks for the correction bud
Bobby was an attacking mid when we signed him, the false 9 role he plays now is basically the same but without a striker in front of him
For me I wouldn't want an AMC or false 9, with wingers and an out and out striker, but I'm no Klopp haha
Maybe Fabinho
Why not for Fabinho?
Fabinho > Hendo based on ability alone
I agree hes more talented, but just hasn't been around long enough to be in the team of the decade IMO
Eh, If this is being based on the 2010s then I am taking Henderson over Gerrard. Gerrard really only had one great season this decade (13/14) he battled injuries on/off from 2010-2012 and missed a pretty decent amount of football in that time.
He wasn't as good as before but he was still class up to 14/15 (he was still our top scorer that season btw). Absolutely should be here.
Doesn't say much though given how poor the squad was that year. Plus a lot of his goals his last couple of seasons were from set-pieces or penalties. 7 of his goals in 14/15 alone were penalties.
I can't believe this is an actual comment that I am reading
Think his best in 2010 ish was still considerably better than Hendo's best. For instance hattrick re: napoli after coming on from the bench.
And bringing us back from 2-0 down at OT(unfortunately we lost 3-2 with a Berbatov hat trick) that year.
I'd just started university in Manchester that year and watched it in a pub full of Mancs (and Chinese students). I remember cheering our goals and being unconcerned about the consequences, but looking back, that place had its share of trouble and maybe that wasn't the best idea...
Gerrard every day of the week, son
Really? In a team of the decade? So since 2009? I’m not sure about that. Henderson has been really good for this club during that period.
Imagine what Gerard could do in this team
Gerrard for Fabinho. Henderson has been here longer then Fab and captained is to two champions league finals, winning one
I know it’s a joke without Ali Sissoko...
Do you think that I could get some?
I fucking love this sub. I end up watching it at least 1x a week.
Everyday*
Maybe just a little finger?
You mean Aly Cissokho...
No Gerrard is scandalous
Tbf the previous decade was his best, but yeah, I'd still have him over Henderson
Yeah I agree about that. But he was still good early on in this decade. Have to factor in the absolute dross he had to play alongside in the early parts of this decade.
Can't believe how many people here (not you) have forgotten how good Gerrard was on his own, and like you said, the players he had around them early on in the decade.
According to this reddit, by 2009 steven fucking gerrard was already past it.
Yeah Gerrard was still good for a couple of years. Imagine having to carry shite like voronin, spearing etc
Imagine Gerrard and Fabinho together. Literally nobody would get past that.
Imagine Gerrard with Mascherano and Xabi Alonso...
What the fuck is this parallel universe. No Gerrard?! Get fucked.
gerrard of the previous decade, definitely
... Gerrard?
Might be an unpopular opinion but if you put up a 2010’s team of the decade for Liverpool, Coutinho is a nailed starter. Spent 5 of the past 9 years here & was essential to our growing despite all that happened after he left.
He really grew with the team from the dark days to just before the top. Shame he didn't see the light at the end of the tunnel and stick around for the good bits. Much like hendo but without the character (cheers to brendao) to see it across the finish line
Honourable mentions Coutinho Gerrard Wijnaldum
And while I know it’s unpopular I’d throw Lovren in as an honourable mention. He played in the 2018 final, the Europa league run scoring the winner vs Dortmund. The man has shown tremendous passion. Maybe one too many costly mistakes in league games, but not in major finals. Imagine if Degsy wasn’t always (the operative word here) playing alongside Moreno but Robbo. I rate Matip very highly. However I also wonder how improved Agger would have been alongside Virg.
you are the only person in here who has mentioned Agger, that saddens me a lot. Him and Virg would be OP imo, especially in build-up
Oh fuck im so close. Keep talking about Virg/Agger partnership. Super high IQ defenders with fantastic athletic ability, and great build up play. Also and most importantly mean motherfuckers
Matip right now is better than agger ever was for Liverpool imo
What about skrtel him and virg would be solid at the back
solid, sure. but not as good as virg with dagg or matip or lovren, imo. idk how exactly to put this so ill just go off, but skrtel's main niche of being the hardman of a defence is kinda rendered obsolette by VVD himself. but, as we have seen, skrtel can be a great center back when played with a quick and good ball playing defender (read: healthy daniel agger... or nowadays, virgil van dijk)
I liked our Pirate but he was no Dagger. Skrtel wasn't injured as often and was more reliable that way but Agger was absolutely class. And if injuries hadn't been so massive he'd have been one of the leagues best ever defenders. I truly believe that.
And Milner tbh
Gerrard in for Fabinho. Fab is great but he hasn't nearly been with us or performed well enough for long enough for this kind of consideration. For as much as it hurts to say, Coutinho deserves a shout too.
Spot on regarding Fabinho. Not sure about Coutinho though, where does he fit in, who does he replace? He won nothing with us and while he was one of the best players on the team he was almost always overshadowed by someone: Suarez, Sturridge, Sterling. And once he became the talisman he decided to leave.
Practically the current team and Suarez. I'd personally put Gerrard ahead of Fabinho. Fabinho is one of the best defensive mids I've seen in my life, but less than a full season as a starter is not enough to justify being in a team of the decade, especially ahead of Gerrard. No way to exclude Henderson imo. He's the only one to have been with the team for the majority of the decade and he's been an essential part in the worst and the best teams.
Let’s not kid ourselves. Fabinho is way better than Henderson right now and no way Gerrard is behind Henderson
Sure, but it's meant to be a team of the decade not a team of right now. Hendo has been here for pretty much the whole time and had multiple great seasons; Fabinho, good as he is, has only been a regular starter for the past 10 months.
He is but that’s not how team of the decade works, Fabinho has been here for 1 season lol hendo is the captain and he’s been here for what, 8 years?
Fabinho is a better defensive mid than Gerrard ever was. I’d put Gerrard over Hendo but even then in the 2010s Gerrard was a shadow of his former self
2010 Gerrard was in no way a shadow. 08/09 was arguably his best season for us in terms of performance and 2010 was only a year later.
Henderson played the 6 perfectly well before fabinho learned the role. We got to the europa and cl final like that. No reason DM era hendo with regista era gerrard couldn't be a good duo.
Anyone other than Fabinho and Barca knocks us out of the CL. Hendo is a good 6. Fabinho is world class
Your logic needs some evaluation. If longevity is prioritized then you’re gonna have to exclude a bit more than just Fabinho from the current team.
I disagree. Fabinho has easily played the least amount of games for us in that lineup. Allison is probably second least? But he was crucial to us getting 96 points and number 6 last season, whereas Fabinho hardly played the first half of the season.
What’s the cut-off point though? Fabinho started being a regular around December, since which he’s been by some distance our best midfielder. He was arguably the best player on the pitch in that Barca game, which is probably our greatest ever match after Istanbul. Is 3 months the difference between between qualifying for the TOTD or not? Funny enough, Fabinho and Alisson have exactly the same amount of appearances for Liverpool.
Everyone saying Gerrard for Hendo but no one is mentioning the real elephant in the room. Where is Origi???
I came here for this, thank you
next team of the decade, origi will be inside
Coutinho
But instead of who?
I'd have him in there ahead of Firmino, especially given as it's at 10. I know this won't be popular on here
Yeah the problem is you have to have Suarez, and I don't think he and Firmino could be in the same 11 unless you drop Mane and Salah in favor of a midfield diamond with two up front, which isn't happening.
That’s a tough one. Probably Fab, no knock on him though.
Absolutely not, the team cannot function without stability of a world class DM. I can point to virtually any great team and a great DM is the foundation of that.
It’s our team of the decade. Truth of the matter is Fab hasn’t even been playing here consistently a full calendar year
We're not picking the team for Sunday mate.
Firmino, listen, Bobby is great, but before 17/18, he was far from a special player for us, and Coutinho was our best player for years
Criminal not having him in there, he was out best player for at least 3 seasons. Would swap him with Henderson.
Swap firmino for coutinho, Gerrard for hendo
I don't get the people who would drop Hendo instead of Fabinho Hendo has been here since 2011. He won our YPOTY award in his first season, became a regular quickly after joining, had two amazing seasons in 13/14 and 14/15, got made captain in 2015, captained his club to two finals in 2015/16,[embarrassed Thibaut Courtois in 2016](https://streamable.com/g5pvp), captained his club to the CL final in 2018, then won it with us this year. He's played 335 games for us this decade. Fabinho has been with us one year. A very good year, but he wasn't even starting for a third of it.
If we are talking pure quality, then number of appearances isn't too relevant. Skrtel was here for years but i'd much rather Van Dijk in defence. Same with Lucas compared to Fabinho.
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Alonso hasn’t played a single minute for us in over a decade....
He played in the 2008/09 season which I kinda assumed was less than a decade ago, I stand corrected lmao. I guess I would have Hendo then.
This has recency bias all over it.
Gerrard in for Henderson is the only change I'd make, and that's not an attack on Hendo. Check my profile if you don't believe me.
No ones gonna attack you for saying anything good about Gerrard :P
Nah you're alright mate
Fabinho hasn’t played long enough to warrant a spot. He’s a great player but it hasn’t even been a full calendar year
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Speaks more to the decision of the author tbf since this is a totally arbitrary and objective exercise. I certainly wouldn’t have Fab in there since it’s not been long enough.
*subjective
Gerrard & Coutinho in for Fabinho & Firmino and we have a deal
In what universe did Gerrard not play this decade? Gerrard for Hendo and Carra for Matip
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Firminho shouldn't be there that's not his position. If anything coutinho is a cam
where's Lucas Leiva?!
Gerrard? Wtf lol
Gerrard for Henderson and Coutinho for Firmino simply because Suarez is playing up top.
Have one cdm and put cm, Replace Hendo with Gerrard, maybe Carragher for Matip. U could actually make 3 teams, so much options for midfield and attack.
Gerrard in for Henderson.
Why do Goal's decade rankings always have that annoying tendency to recent history?
Gerrard in for Henderson
What the fuck.. Gerrard ?
Agger in Matip's spot
The fact that Fabio Borini and Aly Cissokho did not make it shows the utter lack of knowledge and sheer incompetence that we are dealing with. I got the fever for the *FLAVA*
Benteke/Balotelli in for Suarez I would say
Second team Coutinho - Sturridge - sterling Gini - Gerrard - lallana Milner - Skrtel - Agger - Clyne Reina A case could be made for Johnson or Enrique as fullbacks and Allen or Lucas in midfield. I also hate leaving Lovren off but I think the other two just edge him out.
Putting Henderson over Gerrard is lunacy....wtf!! Where is coutinho?
No Gerrard?
If suarez is in, we can pull out Firmino and put Gerrard.
Mane - Firmino - Salah behind Suarez would be.... Wow
Where is Kolo????
Milner as a sub for all of them.
The lack of Gini is disturbing.
Where the fuck is Stewart Downing?
Was about to go on some crazy rant about leaving out Daniel Agger and then I realised how old I am...
WHERE THE FUCK IS MY CAPTAIN
Torres? 2009 Torres?
How can they miss Gerrard? Also Carra for Matip, just because I like it.
No Lord Klavan?
Where is Steven Gerrard? Everyone Forgetting the trio Gerrard, Torres, Suarez??? What Daniel Agger? So many missed names and I’m not even naming all of them....
10/11 current squad. Get in.
Coutinho
From which match is the Bobby photo taken?
When did agger go? Please don't tell me he left before 2010.
The absolute disrespect to Gerrard and Carra.
Stevie G
Hendo for Stevie! Wtf
Suarez, what a player he was for us. It’d make sense that he’s the only one that would be in the team. I’m talking about the Suarez that played with us, not Suarez how he is now, he’s still good but you can tell his age is slowing down his consistency.
Maybe coutinho for Henderson
Suarez out firmino in his Position and captain fantastic in
Put Fabinho in front of the defence and have a midfield with Gerrard and Coutinho. Then push Firmino instead of Suarez. Perfection.
Gerrard for Fabinho - Fabinho's great but he hasn't had the opportunity to show the same consistency the high level that that Gerrard or Hendo have given for us. Incredible testament to our progress as a team that Coutinho isn't there (and probably shouldn't be!) considering how much I was worried when he left. Ditto with Sterling. Here's to TAA also being in next decade's XI!
Hyypia for Matip! Need to read properly, it says decade lol!
Firmino isn't a CAM, I'd have Coutinho in for him. Gerrard has to be in ahead of Hendo, he was world class at the start of the decade.
Can't seem to find Coates, Markovic, Luis Alberto and Kelly on that team sheet. But seriously, Gerrard for Hendo, Coutinho for Firmino and Agger/Carra for Matip should be changed. And I would like to find a way to include Kuyt in this line-up for sentimental reasons alone.
Gerrard for sure. Mascherano for Fabinho for me. I'm not sure I could leave out Carragher.
Decade
Mascherano played for us in 2010. I'll still take 2010-2012 Carragher over current Matip. It's close, but I'd take him. Carragher could play with anyone and look just as good. Matip struggled until we bought Van Dijk.
Coutinho in for Fab
How could they forget Aquilani?
Could a case be made for Agger>Matip?
Allison over Karius is a travesty
Other then Gerrard missing it’s good for me
Where the fuck is Klavan
Gerrard > Fabinho Coutinho > Mane
Tough one. 2009 line up wasn't bad. We still have Stevie, Masherano, Carra, and Torres up for the positions. I'd switch Hendo with Stevie, and Matip with Carra. That's about it.
if djimi traore still played for liverpool, he'd be there too.. just saying. I'll never forget his amazing backheel goal
I love bobby but i think the top 3 is more than enough firepower to blitz any team given the mid was solid, in which case id love to of seen fab holding with stevie and hendo being the mad lads roaming about
I would force a decision on Suarez / Firmino / Sala. This is basically our current team with Gini dropped for Suarez, but if you drop Gini shouldn't you put a midfielder in instead?
No Gerrard is absolutely ridiculous.
Gerrard for Henderson surely....but i see what you did there
Nicol? Coutinho aswell
so many calls for gerrard this is from 2010-2019 you dinguses, and gerrard had one good season in that time