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Slavery question

Slavery question

AtLeastNineToes

Remember that whipping is essentially converting food into production. Working citizens are great if they're working **improved** tiles, such as a +4 food +1 hammer Wheat tile, but if the only other available tiles for your next citizen are unimproved, such as a +1 food +2 hammer forest tile, then that citizen isn't very efficient and I'm eager to whip them. Being one turn from population growth doesn't make much of a difference to me, but it does mean that if you whip, you'll need 2 less food for the population growth. Missing out on an improved tile's resources for that turn might suck, but getting that building/unit faster is almost always worth it (as long as you're not making too many units where you start to pay gold each turn to maintain them). The main thing I watch with whipping is to try and get 2x or 3x pop whips because the whipping action causes 10 more turns of unhappiness, but the number of citizens whipped is what gives the food-to-hammers conversion. So 1 whip can do 2x or 3x as much without causing 2x to 3x the unhappiness.


The360MlgNoscoper

What about Universal suffrage? Is it worth it for the ability to hurry with gold if you get the pyramids or is whipping always better in the early game?


AtLeastNineToes

Whipping is great in the early game, spending money which could've been research isn't good in the early game. If you get Pyramids, you want Representation more than anything. Representation's +3 happiness to 5 big cities to offset whipping unhappiness is great for small/medium empires, especially good if you're using specialists. I wouldn't use Universal Suffrage's spending ability until I have a seriously powerful economy or have planned to use it specifically to complete a victory condition or, in rare cases, for an upcoming war. It's great in the late game if you have plenty if towns (pair with Free Speech) and if you're planning for a space race or cultural victory. In the former case, you'd stop researching once you have all the ones you need for space race and hurry with gold to finish spaceship parts. Warmongers like me should be converting most towns to workshops in the mid-late game and Universal Suffrage can't keep up with Police State's +25% military production. If you're planning to hit very hard in a war and you're in a golden age or a spiritual leader, you can go 0% research slider and switch to Universal Suffrage when you have plenty of money to help rush out another dozen units or so. If you're as far in the tech tree as you plan to ever go and just want to finish your dom/conq victory, you can stay 0% research and switch between Universal Suffrage and Police State for military production.


Imperator_Knoedel

You can't rush space ship parts though.


AtLeastNineToes

Shows how often I go space race At least you can use it on the lab and any +production buildings for the cities you plan to build ship parts from


The360MlgNoscoper

Well you can hurry wonders


Imperator_Knoedel

Yes, because they are buildings. Spaceship Parts are Projects.


The360MlgNoscoper

Making Civ IV gold hurry the best one.


Imperator_Knoedel

Huh?


The360MlgNoscoper

What i mean is that the Civ IV hurry is the best one in terms of what it can do


Imperator_Knoedel

Don't know about that, in V you can hurry spaceship parts with the right tenet.


borond1

This is a weird post to come across when you dont see which subreddit it is


Johnpecan

There are no hard and fast rules. Way too many factors. In general, 2x pop whips are better than 1 unless you have a stupid amount of excess happiness. Generally, don't try to whip away improved resources.


LymeDawner17

I’m assuming this is a game, but I thought it was a general question. I was like what??! lol


TheGreatOz2014

Whip every turn.


mrmeshshorts

Literally, if you need something, whip for it? Always?


TheGreatOz2014

Yes. Unhappiness is temporary. Whipping is forever.


Faelif

James Bond: Whipping is Forever


mrmeshshorts

I had 60 turns of +4 slavery unhappiness, Noble diff, is that excessive?


TheGreatOz2014

A little. But I think it's ok if the city isn't overall +4 unhappy. And of it can still build stuff reasonably well.


Jujiboo

[YOU MUST](https://i.imgur.com/WvtiDhD.gif)


TheGreatOz2014

But, seriously, it just depends on how much unhappiness you can deal with. I usually go to the edge, sometimes into over all unhappiness. It's just a balance of how bad you need something vs how long the consequences last. Also, you can whip to reduce population to maintain a good happiness level overall.


dis23

When a problem comes along


Ferkan27

You must whip it