By - svefnpurka
We need to start moving on from Pique, Alba, Busquets asap. That is what’s holding us back. Those three positions, plus right back.
At this point I think fair criticisms of Xavi are allowed.
For one, Auba was never going to work for this type of game, hold up play and dribbling through tight spaces. Half time Memphis should've come on so that you can play the ball to him if the wings are overloaded. Although not fully fit, you're chasing a game.
Secondly, Dest should've started no doubt. Mingueza is so bad it's embarrassing. Hell even Araùjo at RB and Lenglet at CB. Or play Frenkie as a CB for that matter because Mingueza shouldn't come near the pitch ever agaiin.
Thirdly, Alba is best used when he is coming back from an injury or rest, as the games go by he gets worse, he has been average the last few games and today was a nail in the coffin. Also Busquets was exposed today massively, first half Pedri and Gavi weren't covering for him because they're too high up.
They were targeting the space behind busquets and my god, Eric is a great prospect, but games like these are not for him. He is error prone. Not going to even mention the clownery going on in Catalonia. This game needed our best xi and intensity from minute 0. Frenkie was sick but he was still our best Midfielder after he came on, he brings something very important to the midfield, control. With Frenkie, Pedri doesn't have to cover so much ground, this allows him to be as creative as he can be.
It's absolutely incredible how bad we are in Europe. The final result is 3-2 because we scored two late goals but we didn't look threatening except in those last minutes.
Rome, Juve, PSG, Bayern, Liverpool, and now Frankfurt? When will this stop? Today our intensity got matched and our players folded. Alba, Busi were not good (but he scored a screamer though) and it's a reminder they're not getting younger, Garcia and Mingueza are not at the level required to play for us.
Gavi is good clearly but De Jong just adds something that he doesn't have, and he should start important games. Ferran was invisible and Xavi is allergic to subbing him. Memphis brought more to the table once he was subbed in and this should be the usual if he doesn't perform.
Auba missed a sitter. Everything that could have gone wrong went wrong lmao.
**Now the positives:** Those last 10 minutes were good and had we played 5 more we might have equalized. But where was that during the whole match?
Araujo struggled today but he was doing his best with no cover from Mingueza and both Garcia/Alba getting ridiculed all match long by Knauff and others. So in my book he's done great.
Memphis did well for the few minutes he played. De Jong too. Ter Stegen while he conceded three I'm not sure he could have prevented any of those, but he did have one crucial save.
I said it before the Levante game, Garcia is a liability waiting to happen. 2 penalties in two games.. The one against Frankfurt was shocking, stupid stupid way to give them the advantage
Garcia is a great prospect still, he will make mistakes but undoubtedly has shown in flashes that he can become a top CB. Inconsistency is part of youth, he's still only 21.
I don’t see it mate.. He lacks things that can’t be learnt like strength a speed..
You can’t really blame him for the Levante penalty. The one today, while soft, was an obvious foul, but there wasn’t anything he could do about the handball
That is fair..
He undid all the positives he's been building up the past few weeks smh.
Ive been watching his play pretty closely since he joined as I was truly hoping he would be the player many here thought he is.. But often the few positives allowed us to overlook the fact that he actually puts the defense under so pressure during games due to inconsistent positioning among other shortcomings.. And I absolute saw him costing us in important games, it wasn’t the first time and won’t be the last, he lacks so many fundamentals needed make it as a Barca defender..
“Busquets' weaknesses have been on full display, once again. He simply can't handle quick transitions, and leaves too much on the CBs.
His "revival" under Xavi, like under Enrique, is about protecting him in midfield with extra movement and coverage from teammates.+“
Busi without the cover of Frenkie isn’t great to see..
I did not see anyone talking about Frenkie jogging back when Dembele lost the ball near the half line. A few players are doing this randomly.
I dont know if the two late goals make it better or worse. Cuz I left feeling "man what if that defender didnt fuck it up" 🤔
Stop caring so much about r/soccer. The opinions of the people on that sub literally do not matter
We really should not be spending 30M on Traoré this summer
Would you guys abandon improving offensively this summer to improve the core of the squad? What I mean by that is would you go for a new LB (Gaya, Grimaldo, Sosa etc) a new CB (Koundé, Laporte, Koulibaly, Lucas Hernandez), a new RB (Mazraoui, Mukiele, Porro) and a new goalkeeper (Maignan, Maximiano, Bounou)?
Of course, Sosa, Mazraoui, Rudiger(at reasonable terms), Maximiano and Mo Camara. Two would be instant starters and rest could become starters after one season IMO and each would cost around 25M, Mazraoui even lower
A resounding hell yes and it’s not even close
I’m not really in a position right now to make comments on the entirety of the game/performance but I have to say that we need to make marked improvements with our runs inside the fullback (space between the fullback and center backs). There was an ocean to be exploited but the run wasn’t made properly and no one could execute that sort of long ball. Also Auba really needed to keep the defense honest by making runs off the center backs into the channel. Everyone and their momma knows that if he receives a ball to feet he will play it backwards so it’s almost pointless to involved him out buildup when he’s so predictable. He never has an inclination to receive and turn because he’s not scanning over his shoulder to check the defender(s) as the ball is coming into his feet
I also think that Dembele continued to make inside runs when his strength lies in making outside/forward runs. It was frustrating in the first half.
It didn’t help that they were tripling him with Mingueza offering him nothing. I can’t really criticize Dembélé for tonight because his commitment and fight was just about better than anyone else’s (outside of Gavi and a few others)
I agree. I think I am not blaming Dembele. But I hope someone made that observation. Stoichkov was commenting the match and he also noticed.
Alright after thinking xavi didn’t do anything wrong he can’t go in the game and make Auba score open nets
Xavi has been overperforming for quite some time with this team. It’s unfortunate that we choke when it matters, would easily have taken a loss/draw against Levante if it meant we win today and we do well for the remainder of the season.
I said overperforming… read…
Lmfao my bad man
Lmao all good
I totally get why everyone are mad about the crowd thing, but being honest with our selves.. those are lame excuses.. those are professional football players getting paid millions.. wtf is being shocked ffs.. what was that penalty in 2nd minute.. why we did NOTHING but cross and inshalla for 90 min straight? Shameful performance, not deserving to win against 9th place team in German league with like 20 percent of money or player quality we got. Blaming the crowd is shameful af. Take responsibility for this horrendous performance. I don't mind the mass downvotes that for sure are coming. That's the truth and nothing will change that.
The crowd should not be an excuse for that performance but it was a way bigger disgrace than the performance.
I’m so sad for Pedri:( he was having such a great season
I want Frankfurt to win EL, qualify for CL and us to draw them in the group stages. I want revenge for what happened in Camp Nou today. I know it‘s our own fault and kudos to their fans for that support but them bullying us in OUR stadium…nah i want freaking REVENGE!
I have found your villain origin story
God damn today was rough:( feels like one result crushed our season
Yeah, my excitement for the rest of the season has been completely cratered.
I completely echo that. It doesn’t erase all the progress we’ve made but it certainly stamps out the honeymoon period we’ve enjoyed. Got to learn from this and alter our approach
Is Pedri's injury the same as the earlier injury this season under koeman?
International breaks destroy us, crazy how different the team feels season on season.
Maybe I underestimated, then overestimated, how much cules would be willing to put up playing in Europa League.
I like how some people are downplaying the impact of the fans.
Go back and watch the moments before kickoff. You'll see our players looking around the Camp Nou in complete shock.
They were betrayed today.
We lost the game then.
I flew to Barcelona and wasn’t able to get tickets to the game. The city was filled with so many German fans id never seen anything like it. The website was terrible trying to buy tickets, I’ve had a smoother and easier time purchasing tickets for the clásico. Also the stadium did not sell tickets at the counter.
people here saying we could compete with the best teams in the world just a few days ago, but then barca gets manhandled by frankfurt over 180 minutes lol
International Break curse is confirmed... 3 seasons in row same time in the season.
Been more than 3 seasons dude
people forgot about pedris injury thanks to the loss, apparently hes out for the rest of the season
Nobody forgot it‘s just a lot to digest.
Why xavi benched de jong and dest? Minigueza literally is one of the few main reasons we lost
FDJ had diarrhea. Dest barely came back from injury.
Lol so we aren’t as good as we think we are 😅
Oh well, hopefully this shows Laporta that to compete in Europe we need a few more reinforcements, we need depth
People who say the stadium wasn’t the reason we lost….ok it’s not the main reason but 100% it changed the attitude….imagine being in your stadium and seeing the whole stadium with white kits that’s embarassing and that’s a shock
I’m sad 😔
I couldn’t care less about the result. Been through much worse these last couple of years. 11 years as a die hard fan of this club and Ive never seen the Camp Nou in this state. Camp Nou was white today. Our home was being invaded and instead of cheering our team on louder the attending fans started leaving aswell. We just completely surrendered our fortress without ANY fight.
I won't blame any fans who were there - alot of our fans were harrased by groups of Frankfurt ppl seating in home areas.. alot of parents with kids just went back, with plenty of cases of beer and what else been thrown on girls, cases of groping and fighting as well. Alot of fans had to come back because there was no security to save them from piss drunk Frankfurt Ultras
I am so angry I can't sleep
Can't be angry at the players, because I'm too angry at some of the "supporters" and what they did today. After half time, there were more opposition fans than there were Barca fans in the stadium.
We played at home, but it felt like we were playing in another country against all their fans. Ridiculous.
The rneeess to be a better system in place, and true barca fans from abroad need to be able to become socis quicker, with the same benefits.
Imagine selling your ticket to a European game like this. What a joke
Selling is OK, but not to the opponents fans. Sell it to Barca fans waiting to get seats. It can't be justified, and the system probably needs a rehaul with international fans in mind now.
Nothing funnier than those people saying if Pique played this result would've been any different. As if he wasn't in Roma, Liverpool, Bayern and PSG. Get a grip.
Haven’t seen anybody saying that. He likely would’ve performed better than Mingueza and Eric though. He’s been our best defender after Araujo since Xavi took over. It’s not just about one player.
You forgot Juve too
This is far from a one player problem
Yup, he’s a fantastic player but he’s been in a lot of matches where we get trashed. Love the guy but him and Busquets starting next season for us would be kinda sad.
To think fans wanted them out 4-5 years ago and they'll be starting in 2023...
Starting in 2023? Are we not going to be active in the next two transfer windows or what?
Preach! And for the record I do think I overall pique and Busquets have been good this season. But people praised pique for willing to step aside and it’s looking like he’ll still be the nailed on starter next season.
Very very curious how this off-season goes for us. We really need a DM, Busquets should not be starting all the big matches next season, we are playing with fire at this point.
Alba also shouldn’t be starting big matches anymore.
Yes yes yes, people never want to admit this
So who do we start? Dest who's worse defensively, is right footed, and doesn't even produce 1/4 as much on the right with his strong foot? Or Balde who isn't even standing out in the the third division?
What is there to admit? Alba is likely the league's best left back but has faults. He also has to start and play practicly every available minute because he has no reliable back up. It's been like this for years and he always burns out.
How have we not talked about that second goal? How unfortunate was that. You could pin it on our defending sure but 9 times out of 10 that shot doesn’t go in. That was the dagger, honestly. At least till then we could’ve had a better shot at fighting back following the atmosphere and Eric’s mistake.
Minigueza was the main reason …what was in his mind when passing the ball to dembele when he was under all that pressure….and he left so much space
We gave him way way too much space. We were asking for to, we were thoroughly outplayed by that point in our own stadium
“Clearer than ever that Barça is a Europa league team, by the by. Question now becomes how will the technical staff repair that over the summer? If it starts next season with Busquets as the inked-in starting DM, it's waving the white flag.”
Replacing Busquets has been an ongoing conundrum. It just doesn’t seem like there’s any player available to us that could fill his role. Kessie is seemingly on his way and I know he isn’t a DM in the same sense Busquets is but maybe he doesn’t have to be. I think Xavi’s got a plan for him and at the end day he’s still a welcomed reinforcement in midfield.
Yeah, Busquets’ profile is so unique we’d have to shift how the midfield operates
So in just a matter of weeks we have experienced one of the best Camp Nou atmospheres in years from the Barça fans and then one where the away fans took over.
Both European matches, one played by the Women’s team, the other by the Men’s
Today’s wordle #300 fits our match perfectly
I'm mad at this game, but the 2 goals at the end has made the loss less bitter and saved us from further embarrassment.
Eh I don’t know, we shouldn’t have been in that position to begin with. The loss has completely taken the wind out of the sails for the remainder of the season.
Let's stop blaming the stadium atmosphere. We lost to a mid table German team with our strongest current squad (bar Pique). Xavi did a lot of wrong in this match. He did not react appropriately to their first goal. He let Barca get dominated for the first 45 minutes and let Frankfurt players gain a shit ton of confidence. He played Mingueza as RB knowing he's never worked there.
Our defeatist mentality is the worst part of it all. Surrendering after being scored on is horrible. Barca unfortunately does not win when they play bad, on the opposite of RM, who has a winner's mentality and still qualify when playing like absolute shit.
You don’t want us to blame the atmosphere while at the same belittling Frankfurt as a “mid table” team who could very well play in the CL next season if they go on to win this thing. A team that’s beaten Bayern this season as well. A team who has enough fire and passion to ignite this stadium fiasco to begin with. We’re not solely blaming the atmosphere for tonight’s result but at least look at the whole picture.
Strongest current squad barring Pique? Did you forget about Dest or FDJ not being able to start due to illness? It’s because of Dest just getting back from injury that led to Mingueza having to start.
How was Xavi meant to react accordingly? Especially when Pedri got injured at halftime. Defeatist mentality? How, given the way the players put up a fight at the end there? Enough of this ongoing talk about “mentality” when there’s a lot more that comes to play. Our squad’s severe lack of depth being the most notable one. Something Xavi hasn’t had control over. You’re talking as though Xavi’s not a manager that inherited a team in the middle of a season.
A team with a “defeatist mentality” doesn’t go from 9th place to looking like they’ll assuringly finish top 4 in a just couple of months.
Are they or are they not in the middle of the table in the German league?
Their literal position in the league is not the point. The quality of their squad, players, management and their projected league finish is. They’re literally 3 matches away from qualifying for the CL outright now.
The answer you're looking for is yes.
Read my whole comment instead of cherry picking something I said when it wasn’t even my point.
I agree we shouldn’t blame the defeat on the atmosphere, but our mentality has improved over the last few seasons starting with Koemans Copa Del Rey run.
With membership being open for everyone online, my wishful thinking makes be think passionate fans from outside the country will become socio's. Our atmosphere is simply put fucking pathetic. 1 group of supports behind the goal while the rest is a snooze fest. At least allow them to bring in flares seeing as we have no roof
wrote a [thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/Barca/comments/u3v2jv/oc_a_summary_of_the_issues_with_season_tickets/) on issues with season tickets, away fans and the seient lliure system. feel free to check it out and discuss
Can’t believe this actually happened. Reports of some of our fans getting bullied and outnumbered at their own stadium, this has got to be a new low. Some even defending those that sold their tickets. Don’t come to me with that “surviving during a crisis” bullshit because if you’re struggling financially you sure as shit ain’t gonna be buying tickets for the Camp Nou in the first place but yeah some are dumb enough to do that I know. Is money seriously all you care about?? Man I would kill to be able to see this team live even in like a friendly against Huesca and they be selling their tickets like it’s nothing
The Messi years have made it profitable for so called 'socios' to flip these tickets to foreign Barca fans, but today's match has exposed the downside of this action - fans of the visiting team are the ones paying a premium price rather than Messi fans.
true, camp nou security was also beaten up
Just wanna say something…..i’m angry and mad…but when i think about it….how was the team 6 months ago?….we actually changed and the rebuilding process is working well and xavi can’t do more of what he did because he didn’t have a pre season or a summer transfer window….we had a great unbeatable run and we secured the 2nd place in la liga….and we overreacted and we thought we are top teams in Europe but the reality is we still had a lot of weak points and it just needed time to expose…and don’t forget this is xavi’s first experience with european team so he’s gaining experience with these loses….and btw we wasn’t expecting a trophy this season but xavi gave us hope ….it could’ve happened but we shouldn’t blame them that they didn’t
we are not as strong as the 0-4 in Bernabeu and not as weak as today/6 months ago. It hurts because of the circustmances but realistically we are on a good path. If you told me a couple of months ago we would go 15 games being unbeaten and getting 2nd place in the league I would call you delusional
When the ref called a penalty, the whole Camp Nou started celebrating.
Me: Well, this is weird.
Pedri out for the season?
Well, it took me some time to digest what happened today. Am I hurt? Yes. Am I disappointed? Not much. We played below our standards for most of the 90 minutes and after the third goal, I honestly didn’t have any hopes either.
Was the refereeing shit? Absolutely. Pathetic show of refereeing tonight, perhaps one of the worst I’ve seen in the past few years. But it is what it is. Can’t blame tonights loss on the refereeing if half our players didn’t show up.
But the last 12 minutes of the game. From the 87th minute to the 99th minute - I had hopes. And then one went in from Busquets, my hopes got higher. And then Depay scored from the spot, my hopes went way high. Was there time for just one more? Fuck.
This is a team that is in transition. Anyone who says no has clearly not seen the last few minutes of the game. To play with 8 forwards and score 2 goals in a space of 10 minutes without conceding any - that is a team in transition.
I didn’t see this spirit in our UCL loss to Liverpool, Roma and Bayern. Hints of it were seen against PSG but we all knew that it was built around Messi.
I’m hurt, and I believe many of us are after tonight’s performance. But we fought and I know the team needs some time. We’ll be back. At least now, more than ever, we know we’re moving in the right direction.
Our lack of depth got exposed today. Having to play Mingueza because Dest and Pique were injured tells you everything you need to know about our current squad. Hopefully after today we understand why Christensen and Kessie were signed.
We are not a bad team today, the same way we were not elite after beating Madrid 0-4. As things stand we're simply a good team that lacks depth.
Silver Linings: We actually created some great chances that could have turned the game around, we didn't get as dominated as some people would think. The fact that we scored 2 goals after being down 0-3 tells you this team has fighting spirit. Let's be honest, this game would have ended 0-4 or 0-5 a couple of years ago.
Rijkaard's Barca with Ronaldinho got knocked out by Celtic in their first season. Rome wasn't built in a day lads, and we're gonna need a lot of patience, something us Barca fans have been lacking lately. We have an exciting generation coming up, calma.
Still my brain struggles to process what the actual fuck went wrong. I mean I have shitload of work to do tomorrow and I fucking can’t collect my mind to sleep. It’d be a little offline period for me from socials I guess. So shameful and discouraging by our own so-called “real fans from Barcelona”. Thanks for embarrassing all the actual fans who love this club to death!
Someone holds a gun to my head “is this a penalty” showing me the handball in the box today.. except it’s Lenglet.
I’m answering yes with 100% certainty.
Same for the Garcia pen.. except its Militao or Carvajal. Not a pen 100%, foul in attack and free kick for Madrid, this has happened countless of times
Lmao Militao did it 4 times in the Barca game alone.
I am so jealouse of atletico fans. Yes they played horrible but at least they make a stadium full with good atmosphere and even supported them after atletico got knocked out
Tbh they played 10x better than the first leg.
I found those sarcastic applauds from Simeone and the fans in unison during the last minutes pretty iconic. The chants and cheers afterwards too
If we can't get Rudiger on less than 10mil net in wages then we have to go all out for another world class center back. I think we should target Kounde who'd probably cost around between 70-80mil which is a lot but hey Haaland's release clause was reported to be 70mil and we were fine with paying his release clause so we could basically use that money to fund Kounde's transfer
Istg if some smug face comes out and tells me that you’re a casual and not really a fan because you’re not from Barcelona. Fuck you! These socis and their “loyalty to barça” can fuck right off.
I am so so proud to say that I am MORE of a fan than these sorry excuses of people EVER will be and it breaks me seeing the Camp Nou like this. That even though I’ve never been to Barcelona and Camp Nou, they have my heart. That I will go there one day and sing and cry with people who “actually care” about the club. That I will support this club until I die. That it makes me happy knowing that I was here crying and shouting and clapping from thousands of miles away while these greedy fucks cared about money. And that I am grateful I was raised to have some fucking virtues in life.
Some of these guys are just disgraceful and I hope they never ever get to see barça play again. They should be ashamed of themselves.
That is all.
I am 15 year fan of barca and I experienced many good and bad times. Like you I witnessed Liverpool and roma comebacks. Bayern 8-2 loss. But the worst thing in this barca banter era was todays game. I am sorry but it was so embarrassing to see Camp nou like that today with so many white shirts and our players being booed at their own stadium. One of the worst and most embarrassing moment in this football club history. I really thought we cant fall lower after that 8-2 score but man today suprised me . I expect laporta and the whole board to take some measures and give some consequences to never let this happen again. The locals let the team down and should feel assahmed. They want a new stadium but dont even show up now? For we are we building this stadium ? Only so tourist can take pictures and be quiet . The worst thing is there were possibly more tourist today than locals
Also If you are interested in seeing how one of our fans who was in camp nou today expierienced the game watch this video. https://youtu.be/N1PjQoVH4Kc
The sad thing is he was about to vlog for us today but because it was so embarrassing he couldnt do it. He was surrounded by whit shirts and people throwing things at him. A local ladies a gentle man. He lives in barca and was bullied in his own stadium where he lives nearby. Again EMBARRASSING!
Ah, my annual social media distancing after a Barcas loss.
It’s become a yearly thing now
I now want Xavi to give some minutes to Alex Balde to see how good he is and if we can trust him for next season or need to sign someone from outside.
Embarrassing shit from the local fans today. Most foreign fans in here would kill to see a Barca game in person and they can’t be bothered to show up today because of a competition they feel is beneath the club.
The reason why we looked so lethargic today was because we couldn't respond to Frankfurt's 5-4-1. The same was mostly the case against Levante.
With that lineup from them, everytime either the winger or interior received the ball they'd have a 2v1 situation on them.
Because of that we never really got the ball in favourable positions to either our interiors or wingers, at least not for a sustained amount of time.
A solution to this would to either have your fullbacks overlap or your CF be able to drop deep and be an outlet to relieve pressure.
Mingueza was just bad today and rarely made the correct decision and Auba just doesn't have that ability anymore to come deep and help.
It's not completely unfixable, but Auba's lack of ability on the ball will become more apparent if other teams start playing this formation as well.
I wonder if 3atb should’ve been the way to go. Doing so means we could’ve slotted Araujo, Eric and Lenglet at the back instead of playing Mingueza. Maybe starting Memphis or Adama instead of Auba would’ve been better as well.
Really depressing to go out the way that we did. I don’t know we can fix this defense but we need 3/4 all new deeenders and yes, a new GK as well
I'd rather have half camp nou's capacity if it meant that the games would be packed every single time by Barca fans
I hope this will be the last embarrassing game in our journey with Xavi. It was really depressing to see us getting outperformed by a mid table team.
I'm fully expecting to be downvoted, but this whole blame game surrounding tickets is pathetic. People were being offered 100, 200 euros profit for their tickets, while there is a cost of living crisis going on. How many of you can honestly say you wouldn't take that money and watch the match on TV instead? If you're in a position to say you don't need an extra 100-200 euros, then good on you, you're in a more priveleged position than most.
We still had the majority of the fans. Like Xavi said, this was more akin to a final in terms of split of fans.
The simple fact of the matter is we weren't good enough. We were outclassed on the pitch. Look at the quality of players on both sides, it shouldn't have happened. Both the players and Xavi failed.
Now this is nonsense. Well done.
No one is blaming the result on the atmosphere of the stadium alone but it definitely didn’t help things. You’re saying this result shouldn’t have happened? Fans aside, an elimination today was always on the cards. This is still a knockout based European tie where anything can happen.
Yes we were outclassed across two legs but was that so far fetched in happening given our situation? We’re still a team in transition with a coach that arrived mid season. Our lack of squad depth was exposed and was ultimately our undoing. Injuries have mounted forcing Xavi to tweak his tactics in accordance to the players at his disposal. The players have looked fatigued since the international break so it was only a matter of time before our form dipped. We should be happy we even got this far considering the state of the club when Xavi arrived.
Don’t know how you can blame the players and Xavi and not on the general consensus of the local supporters in and around Barcelona who thought this tournament would be a cakewalk.
Well ofcourse we weren't good enough but the socis have enough money and are definitely not being affected by the 'cost of living crisis'
Blaming the fans solely isnt the way to go but having a huge amount of their supporters in our stadium played a big role in our loss alongside the shit football we played for 90 minutes. Its frankly embarrassing seeing all those white shirts in Camp Nou when its supposed to be a big match, the biggest of the season so far since its the only trophy we could possibly win this season.
People who go to see matches at big stadiums are most likely not starving to death and they let the club down while they made a profit. Watching a football match in a stadium while drinking/eating is a privilege, a luxury, not essential to survival. The point I'm trying to make with this is that they let greed take over while fucking the club over.
Imagine a hypothetical situation if Real Madrid fans bought the tickets for the match and they flooded our stadium, would you be saying the same thing?
Are people going to start flipping Barca match tickets now? This is ridiculous and the board should study this and come up with a solution that prevents this.
It is certainly embarrassing, but solely blaming our loss on that isn't the way to go, as you've pointed out.
\> People who go to see matches at big stadiums are most likely not
starving to death and they let the club down while they made a profit.
Watching a football match in a stadium while drinking/eating is a
privilege, a luxury, not essential to survival.
While this very much applies to all the tourists, to a lot of people it's their local club so you can't use the same logic, they could be struggling just as much as anyone else.
Even if it was Madrid fans, I'd say the same thing. People can't extrapolate blame when they'd probably be doing the same in that position, if they were in Barcelona watching the team week in, week out. They were literally being offered 2 to 3 days wages for their tickets, there comes a point where you don't even have to think about whether to sell or not. Flipping for 10 euros here and there is very very different to this, a large sum of money.
Can you honestly tell me that you wouldn't have taken the money (as a local rather than a tourist)?
I get what ur saying and I understand why they did it but that in my opinion is just horrible, ditching the club for some profit in the day they needed support the most.
Honestly I wouldnt, I'm a die hard Barca fan since I was a lil kid and if I lived in Barcelona, I would do my best to not miss any match. If I sold the ticket to the opponent fan I'd just feel dirty. Some things are just priceless to me.
At the end of the day they did what they had to do so I guess what's done is done. I wouldnt mind if some people who were in need of cash did it, but the amount of fans Frankfurt had in our stadium doesnt make me believe that everyone that sold the tickets was strapped for cash.
Agreed, even I wouldn't have turned down such an offer because they probably didn't have an idea that it would turn out to be this bad. I think while it did affect us and it could've been a different game with home crowd support, but you just can't put the whole blame on this only. Xavi and the players need some introspection and fix it on the training ground.
losing in Europe is one thing and losing your stadium is another
Yes, the main issue is the former. The latter is sounding more like a distraction which isn't helping. Of course people will take profit if they see it. You can't blame them with prices rising.
you don't seem to understand what losing your stadium means? it's absolute humiliation
So disappointed in the elimination. Just sucks man.
Im not going to blame the fans because the team just played like absolute shit but I wonder if the players were affected seeing their home stadium get invaded by away fans
Of course it did, look at the body language and expression of the players when they came out to the pitch. Then Eric gives away a penalty in the 3rd minute and we just knew we were in for a bad night.
I still cant wrap my head around what the fuck happened in the stands, it just feels surreal
Javi Galan or Borna Sosa?
Javi Galan, he's familiar with the league and is Spanish so, would fit in more easily.
Night and day between what Atleti had for City and what we had for Frankfurt.
The welcome Atleti fans gave their team outside the ground gave me goosebumps.
And here we are with a lot of our fans selling tickets to opposition fans.
Camp nou was different under Valverde, it looked like an actual fortress on CL nights
Edit : [just watch this, look at the atmosphere, the day we destroyed Chelsea](https://youtu.be/RisqBSF3BTg)
[against Liverpool ](https://youtu.be/piTRVFEDfLg)
I mean that's CL - nobody is going to sell their ticket for CL game against Chelsea.
This was Frankfurt game and this game was way more important for Frankfurt fans than Barca fans so they probably overpaid big time for the tickets and Barca fans got seduced because they didn't actually care enough for a EL game against Frankfurt.
I am told that club itself also sold bunch of those tickets - through our website without restriction
It was good till Mess was here. There was a holiday in Spain so, many fans were busy celebrating that and didn't turn up for a Europa game. Don't worry the atmosphere will be back next season when we'll play CL football again.
Seeing the Camp Nou packed with white shirts made me sick to my fucking stomach
Yeah, it had to be white shirts ffs...
I think we still haven't really grasped how unprecedented horrid and shameless this betrayal had been.. the worst thing to happen to this club in quite sometime.. absolutely disgusting man.. just can't believe it 🤒
Really should put a new system in place for ticket exchanges. Maybe have it done by the club so they can control how many tickets are sold to opposition fans.
Why are our defenders prone to grabbing the opponent by their shirt and throwing them on the ground? Is this some new Barca style defending or something im not aware of.
In the case on Garcia, he just isn't strong enough to handle strikere putting their weight on him, so he has to resort to other ways
Weak and slow, the opposite of what a defender should be..
Today is finally the day where i say "We don't need fucking Haaland, we need a defender" and not get downvoted, in here.
If we had haaland we would have won that game
You’re right but in fact we still need a world class striker ….auba is good but is old and he wastes a lot of chances
We need improvement on attack.
We need solutions on defense.
There's a difference
In Latin America we would call local Barça fans, pecho frios. How are you going to abandon your team in the most crucial match of the season?
Barca fans are spoiled. A EL match against Frankfurt is not worth that much for many Barca "fans" I guess.
You need to root for your team in the good times and bad times. But in Spain, especially with the two biggest teams it isn’t like that.
The way the fans let the team down is by far the most disappointing thing tonight. Defeat was secondary and could be tolerated but the Camp Nou being invaded by opposition fans can not.
Yeah I am in absolute and total agreement with you here. The result itself is something you can deal with, it's just football, you win some you lose some.
But as Xavi put it, the atmosphere felt like a final where the stadium is divided by two fanbases. This, I can't deal with easily. It's a historic event but in a very negative sense.
Hopefully this is the watershed moment for a better atmosphere - Xavi and Laporta have been talking about it, this should expedite solutions to this. We should be prioritizing giving membership to younger fans who are less likely to sit quietly and watch matches.
Actions are needed, not words. But yeah, I hope something positive comes out of this too.
No Pique and 5 goals conceded in just 2 games. Tell you how important he is.
Not only that but he is a great leader as well.
Not having our ideal midfield start hurt just as much as pique not being there
Wouldn’t have conceded 4 penalties with him on the pitch
Disagree, we’ve had multiple games where we’ve conceded at least 2 goals with him on the pitch. They weren’t all penalties obviously but relying this much on an aging player is something we have yet to move forward from. The fact that he’s still a top 2 cb for the club is not something I’m ecstatic about at all.
I swear at some point I forgot we were playing at home, But thats not a reason to lose ofc we just played very badly. Lets just focus on the next season
We weren't playing at home
I had gotten so used to winning that I forgot how much loosing affects my mood.
Why do people keep spamming Mes Que Un Club on r/soccer? So wierd
Socios sold their tickets to Frankfurt fans, and people are mocking them
It honestly seems like that phase bothers a lot of fans of other clubs, they always repeat it after a loss or something.
More pissed than getting knocked out, I'm pissed about the lack of mid week games we'll have. It'll be good for the team to rest but I'm selfish.
8 games left this season.
I’m so upset bruh. Didn’t think I was gonna feel this way during xaviball era.
Calma. Xavi is still finding his feet as a manager at the top level. He hasn't even had an entire season or a proper preseason with the squad. He needs time to implement his ideas and we need better squad depth. I'm reserving all judgement till the end of next season.
I always wonder how corrupt management always finds its way back to the club's board( like Rosell and Barto). I did not want to blame the socios for it, but after tonight I don't think I can find any excuses for them.
The local fans are the worst.
A lot of them are old, do not create an atmosphere, are easily misled by local media propaganda and do not care for the club's best interests. Nor are a lot of them passionate about the club, as seen tonight where a good chunk sold their tickets for a profit.
Why is it just the local fans though? If Frankfurt fans can travel we should be able to as well
For Frankfurt fans this was a match of a life time.
I think so too and it just exposed our flawed ticket system. which is like this for historic reasons that may not apply anymore. lets hope they find a sensitive way to overhaul it
Before I crawl away to bed - next week we have 3 games in 7 days. Time to raid the B team again, boys.
Jutgla and Abde masterclasses coming right up
I'm not even mad about our performance. I don't think we were even that bad aside from Eric's penalty. Frankfurt just out on a hell of a performance and the ref forgot his cards at home.
Our game style should change we can’t be relying on tiki taka in modern football
And we aren't
Getting knocked out by Frankfurt and I’m getting my ass whooped by Malenia on Elden Ring. This ain’t cool bruh.
I was gonna say this same thing, except I was barely fighting Radahn
Radahn is a mf as well
Gotta look for "let me solo her"'s help
Good look at the [Stadium](https://twitter.com/CuentaMister/status/1514724214745579524?s=20&t=zFTEwCh6x76aO03mAzITYA) tonight
Frankfurt and their fans deserved this win 100%. 30,000 fans traveled to a different country and our "fans" in the city sold us out. But the international fans are "plastic".
Their fans gave the players the belief and confidence to make this happen. Their coach set them up brillantly too. Kudos to Frankfurt they were exceptional from the first leg to the second.